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this zzz shit is xo's gamergate

some of the strongest evidence yet that this place is at mos...
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/02/24
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Indecent pistol
  04/02/24
i bet tsinah paid some random local theatre dood a hundred b...
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/02/24
...
Electric Lodge Headpube
  08/15/25
i really like it here
Sooty parlor
  04/02/24
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Arrogant circlehead
  04/02/24
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Disgusting elastic band indirect expression
  04/02/24
I have no idea what's going on and I like it
Passionate abusive location
  04/02/24
i'm often lazy and careless in my legal writing. but if i kn...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
stop trying to give us 3 sane people schizophrenia
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/02/24
i don't mean to pile on (even though he "outed" me...
Chartreuse Theater Stage
  04/02/24
jfc
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/02/24
all candy ride does is reply that he went to a better law sc...
Chartreuse Theater Stage
  04/02/24
hottentot shuttlecock alfa romeo, plebiscite?
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/02/24
it wasn't until last night that i put 2+2 together on why he...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
not flame, maybe like 2 years ago, ZZZ/Candy Ride casually b...
Useless Selfie Property
  04/02/24
irl i shook my head at this and my first thought was how sad...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
this is proof that you learn to be a lawyer in BIGLAW (or so...
excitant haunted graveyard
  04/02/24
my background is odd and probably very unusual. i worked in ...
Chartreuse Theater Stage
  04/02/24
he got a summer associateship at a vault 50 firm, during an ...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
Wait your amused mocking of zzz has grown pretty hostile bro...
Carnelian sinister hospital
  04/02/24
he's been an aggressive retard to me and others for years an...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
He’s too far down the tracks at this point. His best b...
Carnelian sinister hospital
  04/02/24
this is constructive per se defamation of his mentor RT
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
"perhaps all this ribbing will encourage him to devote ...
Marvelous shimmering set
  08/15/25
lol tmf is going to lose his mind when he reads this
aqua trailer park
  04/02/24
I think the majority is inherent rather than learned. The...
spruce hunting ground point
  04/02/24
the most useful skill i've developed as a lawyer is learning...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
he's an aggressive feuding faggot. i don't consider any of t...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
i don't buy he got into that school with a 4.0 in basket wea...
Chartreuse Theater Stage
  04/02/24
idk but he did get a 4.0 is basket weaving, attended the sch...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
he had to have gotten a high LSAT score, which is crazy give...
Chartreuse Theater Stage
  04/02/24
i've seen ESL gooks with high LSATs that can't write for shi...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
My LSAT > 170 and I write like shit. I dont know a sin...
Shivering Supple Coffee Pot Fanboi
  04/02/24
Cr
Carnelian sinister hospital
  04/02/24
totally forgot about this candy ride story arc http://ww...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/02/24
what happened?
big-titted boltzmann
  04/02/24
thats what im saying
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/02/24
zzz attacked me!
Chartreuse Theater Stage
  04/02/24
did anyone record it?
aromatic parlour
  04/02/24
not falling for it, Jenkins
exhilarant hairy legs temple
  04/02/24
they live blogged it, which I think might be even better tha...
aqua trailer park
  04/02/24
really appreciate how all my bros showed up and did their be...
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/03/24
...
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/04/24
alright guys time to stfu lets wrap it up
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  04/04/24
it appears that you are the only one that has bumped this on...
Marvelous shimmering set
  04/04/24
I have no idea what's going on and don't care to find out
Bearded sandwich
  04/04/24
i think you had to be in on this from the beginning, because...
Chartreuse Theater Stage
  04/04/24
still don't understand wtf was going on with this
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  12/19/24
evergreen thread
Rough-skinned skinny woman
  08/15/25
so gunner hates ZZZ everyone (including ZZZ) hates karen k...
KarIstack (Retired)
  08/22/25
you are breathtakingly stupid, to the point that your brain ...
"""'"'"""''
  08/22/25
can you clarify anything for the record
KarIstack (Retired)
  08/22/25
yes for the record everything you said was wrong and ur BREA...
"""'"'"""''
  08/22/25
I don't follow your point re EPAH.
unhygienic gay melvin
  08/22/25
he seems to know basically the entire board IRL, won a lawye...
KarIstack (Retired)
  08/22/25
you are breathtakingly dumb
"""'"'"""''
  08/22/25
Nah he just has dunning Kruger condition and is kinda lazy
.:.::;.:.;.::.;.:;
  08/22/25


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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:27 AM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

some of the strongest evidence yet that this place is at most 5 unique individuals and 80% of the posts are one guy talking to himself. total nonsense gibberish fraud$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548015)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:28 AM
Author: Indecent pistol



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548018)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:39 AM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

i bet tsinah paid some random local theatre dood a hundred bucks to be his "lawyer" it'$ all a $cam

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548056)



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Date: August 15th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: Electric Lodge Headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49188052)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:29 AM
Author: Sooty parlor

i really like it here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548025)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 2:10 PM
Author: Arrogant circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548408)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 3:56 PM
Author: Disgusting elastic band indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548738)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:40 AM
Author: Passionate abusive location

I have no idea what's going on and I like it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548058)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:43 AM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

i'm often lazy and careless in my legal writing. but if i knew all of you autists were going to be watching me i'd be writing that shit like a law review article. his retardation truly does beggar belief. despite not being the best public speaker, spaceporn absolute mogged him and that was in front of a hot federal appellate bench. zzz couldn't get past a routine hearing without the judge bench slapping him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548069)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:46 AM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

stop trying to give us 3 sane people schizophrenia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548087)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:48 AM
Author: Chartreuse Theater Stage

i don't mean to pile on (even though he "outed" me in that thread yesterday as you), and i give the guy credit for going it as a solo because i wouldn't have the balls to do that. i was having trouble getting a jerb when i graduated and i was close to just throwing in the towel and moving on to something else.

but wtf man, he went to a school that has consistently been in the T7 or so for the last 25 years, and is currently ranked #3 - above HLS - by USNWR. the poor reasoning, typos, bad writing, etc all make no sense. how in the hell did he get into one of the most elite law schools in the entire world? and a school, at that, known for grinding the shit out of students (unlike YLS or HLS, which are probably NOT RIGOROUS by any measure).

do we know for sure that he graduated from that school?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548100)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:52 AM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548113)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:54 AM
Author: Chartreuse Theater Stage

all candy ride does is reply that he went to a better law school than whoever he's responding to. i guess that trumps the ESL writing and bad grammar?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548120)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:55 AM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

hottentot shuttlecock alfa romeo, plebiscite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548125)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:07 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

it wasn't until last night that i put 2+2 together on why he never addresses my arguments in good faith but jumps right to "what's your LSAT?" or "what law school did you go to?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548192)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 3:58 PM
Author: Useless Selfie Property

not flame, maybe like 2 years ago, ZZZ/Candy Ride casually bragged about spending $850/month on his electrical bill for his house to suggest how rich he was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548745)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:37 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

irl i shook my head at this and my first thought was how sad it is i have 0% doubt this is not flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548876)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 11:57 AM
Author: excitant haunted graveyard

this is proof that you learn to be a lawyer in BIGLAW (or something similarly prestigious) not in LAW SCHOOL.

ZZZ never did BIGLAW for any sizable amount of time as far as I can tell. Hence he never acquired good writing skills.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548129)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:00 PM
Author: Chartreuse Theater Stage

my background is odd and probably very unusual. i worked in literal shitlaw for 8-9 months. insurance defense. it was terrible, just absolutely awful.

then i started working for a solo who'd gone to dartmouth and YLS. he had a pretty nice practice and was a smart dood. he had really high standards, and i am a pretty good writer. i honed my skills under that guy and got a lot of experience that i wouldn't have gotten at a bigger firm.

then i went to a bigger regional firm (~200 attorneys), and the partners there really got all over me for minor typos and mistakes and such, so i improved my attention to detail.

i jumped to biglaw and the nitpicking was on steroids, and i learned how to bullshit clients.

i can't imagine trying to figure any of this stuff out on my own straight out of law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548149)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:03 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

he got a summer associateship at a vault 50 firm, during an era where the legal hiring market was very strong. i can say from experience that to flub that you have to be both personally repellant and incompetent. he went on to do a jd-advantage job and shit tier clerkships before going solo, so it's clear he isn't the one to choose not to join the firm.

there is something seriously wrong with this guy. he might have legit had a mental breakdown or some injury that affected his cognition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548168)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:20 PM
Author: Carnelian sinister hospital

Wait your amused mocking of zzz has grown pretty hostile bro. To me he just seems like an object lesson about the one wrong move theory of pursuing a legal career.

He should probably give seminars to T14 1Ls about this, like the lawyer version of Matt Foley

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548819)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:33 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

he's been an aggressive retard to me and others for years and i'm enjoying my two minutes of hate. but it is losing it's appeal.

i do think you're being pretty generous with the "one wrong move" thing. i made a few grievous mistakes early in my career. with his prestigious background he could always turn things around. perhaps all this ribbing will encourage him to devote more time into developing writing and proof-reading skills, and to reconsider damaging his reputation further by continuing to doggedly litigate suits over $10k in debt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548855)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:35 PM
Author: Carnelian sinister hospital

He’s too far down the tracks at this point. His best bet is to make up with CSLG and try to pursue car crash law in FL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548866)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:38 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

this is constructive per se defamation of his mentor RT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548890)



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Date: August 15th, 2025 6:31 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

"perhaps all this ribbing will encourage him to devote more time into developing writing and proof-reading skills"

UPDATE: IT DID NOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49188731)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:21 PM
Author: aqua trailer park

lol tmf is going to lose his mind when he reads this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548821)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:12 PM
Author: spruce hunting ground point

I think the majority is inherent rather than learned.

The start of my legal career was rather ignominious, but I still became rather good just from seeing depo transcripts and filings from other good attorneys and emulating the quality parts. The catch is that it takes inherent talent to know what is garbage and what should be emulated, and the vast majority of attorneys do not have that. My experience with some median hires from my own "Top 16" school was that they were terrible and could not do good work even with 100x the feedback and coaching I received. You can go sentence by sentence telling them how to write well and they still cannot do it. In a 10 page draft, there might be less than 5 sentences that cannot be improved on in some major way. And broad issues like strategy and organization are impenetrable to them...they can only follow instructions in the most basic manner, like keeping an introduction short, but it will never be good. I am sure there are many, many attorneys who missed a few less LSAT questions than the ones I am discussing, but are similarly deficient of talent, and I don't think any amount of teaching or experience will make them much better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548791)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:34 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

the most useful skill i've developed as a lawyer is learning to copy and paste and reword things enough to make it look original.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548864)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:00 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

he's an aggressive feuding faggot. i don't consider any of this "piling on" but just another candy ride/zzz two minutes of hate where the bort collectively recognizes what a retard he is. it happens and it'll pass. but i have a hard time feeling pity when he takes every opportunity to lash out for days if someone triggers him.

i've met plenty of of elite ls people who are truly retarded. he had a 4.0 in poli sci so it's plausible his lsat was mid-160s. a midwit can achieve that with effort and luck. also he seems quite autistic and might be good at pattern recognition and shit and but terrible at writing. autists who performed strongly on standardized tests aren't always the best writers.

also good chance he got a big bump for his neurodivergence (crippling autism).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548150)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:02 PM
Author: Chartreuse Theater Stage

i don't buy he got into that school with a 4.0 in basket weaving and a middling LSAT score.

it really makes no sense. maybe his family donated millions to the school or something.

do you really get a leg up for being aspie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548158)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:06 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

idk but he did get a 4.0 is basket weaving, attended the school, and is a retard.

ls admission dorks can consider anything. who knows whether he wrote some tear-jerker personal essay about his dream of becoming a lawyer despite being autistic? either way, although school prestige is still a solid indicator of a new attorney's potential, it's obviously been skin suited quite a bit and is far from perfect. tons of genius TTT grads and absolute retards from t14s out there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548187)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:18 PM
Author: Chartreuse Theater Stage

he had to have gotten a high LSAT score, which is crazy given his writing here and in filed legal documents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548232)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:25 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

i've seen ESL gooks with high LSATs that can't write for shit. i assume the same might be true for idiot savants. he looks like rainman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548244)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:35 PM
Author: Shivering Supple Coffee Pot Fanboi

My LSAT > 170 and I write like shit.

I dont know a single lawyer who went solo early in their career that excels at practicing law. Some find success despite their shortcomings as a lawyer, but it is all but impossible to learn to practice law well as a solo and will yourself to actually do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548263)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:23 PM
Author: Carnelian sinister hospital

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548825)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 2:14 PM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

totally forgot about this candy ride story arc

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5453135&mc=40&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548411)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 12:38 PM
Author: big-titted boltzmann

what happened?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548272)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 2:09 PM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

thats what im saying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548406)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 2:10 PM
Author: Chartreuse Theater Stage

zzz attacked me!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548407)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:19 PM
Author: aromatic parlour

did anyone record it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548813)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:22 PM
Author: exhilarant hairy legs temple

not falling for it, Jenkins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548824)



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Date: April 2nd, 2024 4:26 PM
Author: aqua trailer park

they live blogged it, which I think might be even better than a recording

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47548830)



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Date: April 3rd, 2024 12:58 PM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

really appreciate how all my bros showed up and did their best to prove my point. take ur meds gentlemen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47551740)



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Date: April 4th, 2024 8:40 AM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47554351)



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Date: April 4th, 2024 9:56 AM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

alright guys time to stfu lets wrap it up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47554464)



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Date: April 4th, 2024 9:58 AM
Author: Marvelous shimmering set

it appears that you are the only one that has bumped this on 4/3 and 4/4

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47554476)



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Date: April 4th, 2024 9:59 AM
Author: Bearded sandwich

I have no idea what's going on and don't care to find out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47554477)



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Date: April 4th, 2024 10:11 AM
Author: Chartreuse Theater Stage

i think you had to be in on this from the beginning, because at this point there's too much work involved to get up to speed and the payoff isn't there.

basically, this boart has a good share of failed shitlawyers now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#47554508)



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Date: December 19th, 2024 10:54 AM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

still don't understand wtf was going on with this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#48465228)



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Date: August 15th, 2025 6:28 PM
Author: Rough-skinned skinny woman

evergreen thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49188721)



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Date: August 22nd, 2025 6:28 PM
Author: KarIstack (Retired) (🧐)

so gunner hates ZZZ

everyone (including ZZZ) hates karen

karen hates tsinah

tsinah hired ZZZ to water his garden or something and they got along

tsinah points out that karen is operasoprano and also maybe lisa rowe

operasoprano doobsed half the board like 10 years ago and somehow it never got mentioned until now

she also killed watchmen, and maybe lisa rowe, unless she *is* lisa rowe

and EPAH is somehow in the middle of all this running "who? Me?" schtick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49205371)



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Date: August 22nd, 2025 6:31 PM
Author: """'"'"""''

you are breathtakingly stupid, to the point that your brain should be studied for AIDS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49205388)



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Date: August 22nd, 2025 6:32 PM
Author: KarIstack (Retired) (🧐)

can you clarify anything for the record

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49205395)



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Date: August 22nd, 2025 6:34 PM
Author: """'"'"""''

yes for the record everything you said was wrong and ur BREATHTAKINGLY STUPID, hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49205415)



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Date: August 22nd, 2025 6:32 PM
Author: unhygienic gay melvin

I don't follow your point re EPAH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49205393)



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Date: August 22nd, 2025 6:33 PM
Author: KarIstack (Retired) (🧐)

he seems to know basically the entire board IRL, won a lawyer cagefight with zzz or something, and is a 63 year old man showing us his ipa tits. doesn't add up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49205407)



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Date: August 22nd, 2025 6:33 PM
Author: """'"'"""''

you are breathtakingly dumb



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49205412)



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Date: August 22nd, 2025 6:30 PM
Author: .:.::;.:.;.::.;.:;

Nah he just has dunning Kruger condition and is kinda lazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5512417&forum_id=2E#49205384)