even in a red state you end up having to read through pages of state/county/city bylaws just to set off a box of mortars without having a State Security killteam deployed to your home for waking up someone's two legged 12 year old diabetes cat with a bottle rocket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49072196)

that's based e.g. afghan wedding ceremonies seem kino and full of the sorts of the harmless variety of passion that western society seeks to proscribe for *spits* stability and germane circulation's sakes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074157)

A house in my neighborhood caught fire last year because of proles playing with large fireworks.

That said, my house rabbits don't really care about the noise. LOL @ peoples' big, bad carnivorous "pets" freaking out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49072414)

now those are actual fire hazards (although they are very pretty)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49072609)

don't know too many women with either kids or boyish husbands that don't enjoy a barbecue and some holiday fireworks though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49072615)

i went to a legal fireworks sales warehouse in a blue state before new years and they had all these signs up paraphrased saying "you can buy these but setting them off here is illegal". i guess it's carried over by patriotic non-compliance but the precedent that that sets, as with the federal marijuana laws, sets a very bad precedent for both legislator and citizen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49072622)

A lot of people go one state over where they're easier to buy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49072628)

It is weird how they are just sort of quasi-regulated. I buy small shit for my kids - not really sure if lighting them off in my alley is legal or not.

But you'd think since there's only 4 stands in each county they could sed the cops to each place and put up a sign saying "this is okay here but not here."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49072819)

they still have to show up and make a make-believe farce of it though. not good for anyone!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49073548)

around me there’s definitely a correlation between the laws and how much people are lighting off. including my town could see 7 different cities etc and the places they’re allowed were shooting off stuff like crazy. almost nothing in the banned areas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49073900)

Nobody cares if proles burn their own houses down or blow their own hands off.

If you're in a gated community surrounded exclusively by the managerial/professional class, great. But that's not how most of us live... it's often not even an option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49073878)

but it's important to allow the people the agency to celebrate the holiday to their custom (with some compromise, ofc. fireworks ordinances in dense urban areas or by scrublands etc are perfectly fair and reasonable)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074143)

80 IQ prolemaxxers: firework pretty good to celebrate country get people together

105 iq midwits, nannies, urban progressives: VERY WASTEFUL DO NOT WAKE UP DOG OUT OF DATE!!! OUT OF DATE!!!! THESE DECIDEDLY WORKING CLASS AND *wrings wrists* MARTIALLY INSPIRED AMUSEMENTS HAVE BEEN SUPERSEDED BY MY IPHONE 15 PROMAX FIREWORKS APP etc etc really these people are so joyless and tedious about something that is not only an obvious social good but an aesthetic delight as well. holiday haters must all be not only lonely people but the type of stockholm syndrome lonely that causes them to masochistically valorize their own self-imposed suffering

140 IQ gigachads: Why did the Dacians throw their ceremonial spears at Zalmoxis in the sky?

What are the functions of civic rite and ritual?*

What justification needs to be given to celebrate the events of the national calendar other than "it is our custom"?

(and of course, "firework pretty good to celebrate country i.e. national community get people together" underpins all of this as well)

*the fact that these rootless bourgeois fireworks haters (a crowd that dovetails strongly with holiday haters) don't ever even think to consider any of this on a civic-spiritual level---look at the responses itt---shows how far we've fallen as a society. things like this are especially important for the US in particular as well, being a nation less of blood and more of custom, civic identity, and shared values.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074134)

when i moved into a new neighborhood a few years back fireworks brought everyone out and created an instance of community that i think judging by the tenor of content here over the years most feel is decidedly lacking from american social life

and the more abstract functions of the holiday and its custom aside this element of it is an easy one that anyone with a pro-social bearing can pick up on as being a social good. fireworks are democratic. it's very fitting as a rite for the purpose of the holiday

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074164)

i met an older couple sitting next to me last night celebrating their 30th or 40th. the atmosphere is usually pretty good, the fireworks have people feeling a bit of child-like awe, you meet some friendly people on the fourth. lot of drunk people but not many "drunks". it's a solid time

the people who are hardcore against this stuff i have to assume are already poasting out of the Meta.AI life-work pod farms in the far future or something. it makes no sense to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074291)

the worst part about these fireworks haters is that they often do it on behalf of PTSD veterans (vets are far more likely to enjoy fireworks than the population average in my experience) and terrified dogs (i guess we should stop thunderstorms from happening too?). it's quintessentially lib behavior where they don't even have the courage to say *they* just don't like fireworks, instead they have to act is they are nobly acting on the behalf of someone else.

when i moved into a bougie new area i poasted on the local subreddit asking whether fireworks were appropriate. this was back when subreddits weren't *as* intolerably libified, as i would not think to ask these people anything today. the responses were as if i asked if it was appropriate to hang nazi regalia and burn crosses in my front yard. then when the 4th came around my neighborhood had fireworks going off everywhere and happy families roaming around. next year i set some off and my neighbors came by to enjoy.

these joyless faggots are stockholm syndrome lonely. they don't live IRL. they're the lefts counterpart to type of terminally online rightwingers we see a lot on xo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074200)

re PTSD most people think ptsd veterans are all afflicted by a very *cinematic* disorder due to media depictions, where loud noises and visual stressors set off psychotic episodes or intense states of derealization. irl though many if not most ptsd cases you hear about are far less "defined" than that cinematic depiction, with the main symptoms being anomie, depressive states, derealization, and general social dysfunction. there's a lot of misconception about it. i'd have to guess that the healthy social benefit for ptsd-afflicted vets that comes from having an excuse to get out and talk to like-minded people over a beer or two probably outweighs the fractional number of cases that are legitimately set off by fireworks (and for this, there are sleep medications, anxiolytics, and similar anyhow)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074234)

the cinematic ptsd suffers that do exist never recruited these faggots, who are ACAB vet haters 364 days of the year, to advocate on their behalf anyway. like you said, i imagine most enjoy and benefit from the holiday, and would rather go into the basement and throw on headphones than deny everyone else the 180 spectacle and community building ritual.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074388)

it's not quite a "duty" to engage in ephemera around national holidays but it has a good deal of gravity to respect all the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49077175)

Are all "fireworks" created equal?

I don't remember the huge, professional-level ones (with enough ordnance to burn down half the neighborhood) being available to the public when I was a kid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074350)

a comparison i hear often from older right wingers is the prevalence of rifles, shotguns, etc in proximity to schools during their own youth. the land across the country was much less "settled" (ecologically devastated) and it was the norm for teens of driving age to keep long rifles in their vehicles, store them in shop lockers, etc

these things aren't dangerous in and of themselves when used by someone mindful of what the tool is capable of (well, maybe the cheap mexican imported ones are dangerous. but in the 2010s and on chinese imported fireworks had a massive rise in quality and safety; scarcely are there even any "duds" or faulty fuses in the stuff on the market today)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074375)

I loved fireworks as a kid, though my dad was always pushing the safety side, and large ones weren't even available to buy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074385)

the other sort of dangerous ones are "roman candles" but that's only really because people monkey-see monkey-do shoot them at each other (which...admittedly is also fun and not any more painful than a teenaged game of paintball) after watching youtube videos

this goes back into something else that i see lamented here in various poasting jeremiads: kids bodies' are a lot more damage-resistant than people give them credit for, and they're not as unaware of the hazards involved in these sorts of activities as the wine aunt busybodies of the world claim on their behalf. it doesn't sit right to hamstring the development of motor-control or endurance or a general sense of physicality of whole swathes of kids, whether it's handlebars or impishness with fireworks or tackle football under the lens as an unprecedented threat to the Safety of our Kids. we've had about fifteen or twenty years of it now; the wages of "safety first" administrative culture have made america's youth fatter, more risk averse, and less physically healthy with not much general benefit to weigh against it. the problem cases seek real danger out regardless of what the law says, and there may even be a sort of dysgenic effect at work there by effectively restricting the development of more law-internalizing but otherwise robust sorts of children with this sort of mentality

chinese fireworks aren't the first example i'd pick for this but they work well enough to illustrate something that i personally find objectionable about the mentalities of today vs the mentalities that brought us america's platonic silver age in the recent past

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5746158&forum_id=2E#49074407)