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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Arousing Obsidian Coffee Pot
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just walk outside bro
Deranged corn cake messiness
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
naked orchestra pit trust fund
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on ju...
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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navy shrine
  07/16/25
It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar s...
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  11/11/25
it was a nanny state.
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Arousing Obsidian Coffee Pot

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Deranged corn cake messiness

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Deranged corn cake messiness

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM
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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM
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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:20 PM
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Date: December 8th, 2025 12:55 AM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Lascivious Degenerate Whorehouse

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: naked orchestra pit trust fund

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Lascivious Degenerate Whorehouse

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: naked orchestra pit trust fund

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Lascivious Degenerate Whorehouse

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Green supple newt

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: maize filthy tanning salon lettuce



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: irradiated nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: chrome big point place of business

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Carmine generalized bond mad cow disease

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good bateful feces gas station

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Green supple newt

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: House-broken Property

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Heady slimy stage indirect expression

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: navy shrine

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: peach codepig old irish cottage

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Snowy base

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49458174)