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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM Author: Chocolate flirting haunted graveyard home I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48985033) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: vigorous electric furnace i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48997602) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM Author: Insane brunch mood Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49065026) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM Author: zippy irate plaza really depended on the country, the region, and the lord removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM Author: 180 school sound barrier It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49421865) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: Gold Jap it was a nanny state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49458174) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM Author: 180 school sound barrier Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49495273) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM Author: zippy irate plaza actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots |
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