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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Startled bossy pisswyrm center
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
apoplectic really tough guy shrine
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
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Vibrant misanthropic prole office
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Vibrant misanthropic prole office
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
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  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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  10/06/21
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Startled bossy pisswyrm center
  02/12/22
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Martin Skhreli
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Laughsome Yellow Lay
  06/15/18
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Vibrant misanthropic prole office
  06/15/18
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beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Laughsome Yellow Lay
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
arousing elastic band
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Mahogany gaming laptop corner
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Vibrant misanthropic prole office
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Comical bull headed lodge
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
supple hunting ground
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
marvelous wrinkle den
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
charismatic burgundy whorehouse death wish
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Laughsome Yellow Lay
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Mahogany gaming laptop corner
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beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Thriller talking azn
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Startled bossy pisswyrm center
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
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  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Startled bossy pisswyrm center
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
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  06/15/18
Explain
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irradiated haunting pervert
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Talented range
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
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beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set
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Startled bossy pisswyrm center
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Appetizing opaque ratface
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
sinister odious state
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Startled bossy pisswyrm center
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
bateful know-it-all public bath organic girlfriend
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Startled bossy pisswyrm center
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
bateful know-it-all public bath organic girlfriend
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
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  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
autistic out-of-control kitchen
  02/12/21
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Stirring tantric business firm regret
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Appetizing opaque ratface
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
autistic out-of-control kitchen
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
Multi-colored Preventive Strike
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
autistic out-of-control kitchen
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
Multi-colored Preventive Strike
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
sinister odious state
  02/12/21
lol no
passionate nibblets
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: apoplectic really tough guy shrine

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: very tactful azure church building

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Vibrant misanthropic prole office



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Vibrant misanthropic prole office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: charismatic burgundy whorehouse death wish

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Razzle brilliant crotch

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Martin Skhreli ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Laughsome Yellow Lay

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Vibrant misanthropic prole office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Laughsome Yellow Lay

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: arousing elastic band

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Mahogany gaming laptop corner



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Vibrant misanthropic prole office

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Comical bull headed lodge

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: supple hunting ground

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: marvelous wrinkle den

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: charismatic burgundy whorehouse death wish

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Laughsome Yellow Lay

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Mahogany gaming laptop corner



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: cracking cream circlehead

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Vibrant misanthropic prole office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: very tactful azure church building



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: marvelous wrinkle den



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: irradiated haunting pervert



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: irradiated haunting pervert



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Thriller talking azn

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: milky awkward headpube market

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: milky awkward headpube market

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: irradiated haunting pervert



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Talented range

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: violet unholy codepig

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Stirring tantric business firm regret



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: beady-eyed self-centered friendly grandma set



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Appetizing opaque ratface

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: sinister odious state

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: bateful know-it-all public bath organic girlfriend

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: bateful know-it-all public bath organic girlfriend

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: autistic out-of-control kitchen

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Stirring tantric business firm regret



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Appetizing opaque ratface

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: autistic out-of-control kitchen

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: Multi-colored Preventive Strike

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: autistic out-of-control kitchen

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: Multi-colored Preventive Strike

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: sinister odious state

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: passionate nibblets

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: big nighttime brunch mood

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: crawly parlor incel



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Stage

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Startled bossy pisswyrm center



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