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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
massive area mental disorder
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
cyan shrine
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
Heady free-loading pozpig school
  06/15/18
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Spectacular unholy legend temple
  06/15/18
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Spectacular unholy legend temple
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
wonderful garnet gunner
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
swashbuckling station
  10/06/21
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massive area mental disorder
  02/12/22
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mark e. smith of the fall
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Fear-inspiring gaping
  06/15/18
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Spectacular unholy legend temple
  06/15/18
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iridescent circlehead
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Fear-inspiring gaping
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
chartreuse telephone
  06/15/18
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sickened cuckoldry background story
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Spectacular unholy legend temple
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
bateful state
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Stimulating locale pistol
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
sinister space
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
wonderful garnet gunner
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Fear-inspiring gaping
  06/15/18
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sickened cuckoldry background story
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iridescent circlehead
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
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Spectacular unholy legend temple
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Heady free-loading pozpig school
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iridescent circlehead
  06/15/18
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sinister space
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floppy public bath
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iridescent circlehead
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floppy public bath
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
massive area mental disorder
  10/06/21
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massive area mental disorder
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
marvelous psychic
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
massive area mental disorder
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
cracking abode
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
massive area mental disorder
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
cracking abode
  06/15/18
Explain
massive area mental disorder
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massive area mental disorder
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massive area mental disorder
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floppy public bath
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Laughsome Jade Deer Antler Garrison
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
vivacious onyx generalized bond
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massive area mental disorder
  02/12/21
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Brilliant headpube
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iridescent circlehead
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massive area mental disorder
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Pontificating Stage
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
mind-boggling sanctuary
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
massive area mental disorder
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Abusive casino
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
massive area mental disorder
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Abusive casino
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
massive area mental disorder
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
well-lubricated flushed field wrinkle
  02/12/21
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Brilliant headpube
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Pontificating Stage
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
well-lubricated flushed field wrinkle
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
maize crawly school cafeteria
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
well-lubricated flushed field wrinkle
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
maize crawly school cafeteria
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
mind-boggling sanctuary
  02/12/21
lol no
flickering locus black woman
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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massive area mental disorder
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Haunting Balding Meetinghouse Cuckold
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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  10/06/21
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massive area mental disorder
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: cyan shrine

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: Heady free-loading pozpig school

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Spectacular unholy legend temple



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Spectacular unholy legend temple



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: wonderful garnet gunner

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: swashbuckling station

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: massive area mental disorder



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: mark e. smith of the fall ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring gaping

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Spectacular unholy legend temple



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: iridescent circlehead



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring gaping

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: chartreuse telephone

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: sickened cuckoldry background story



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Spectacular unholy legend temple

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: bateful state

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Stimulating locale pistol

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: sinister space

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: wonderful garnet gunner

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring gaping

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: sickened cuckoldry background story



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: iridescent circlehead



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: charcoal underhanded jap

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Spectacular unholy legend temple



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Heady free-loading pozpig school



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: iridescent circlehead



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: iridescent circlehead

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: sinister space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253708)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: floppy public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36254559)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: iridescent circlehead



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: floppy public bath



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#49178251)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: marvelous psychic

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: cracking abode

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: cracking abode

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36743851)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: floppy public bath



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Laughsome Jade Deer Antler Garrison

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: vivacious onyx generalized bond

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Brilliant headpube



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: iridescent circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#43271055)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Pontificating Stage

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: mind-boggling sanctuary

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Abusive casino

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Abusive casino

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: well-lubricated flushed field wrinkle

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Brilliant headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Pontificating Stage

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: well-lubricated flushed field wrinkle

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: maize crawly school cafeteria

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: well-lubricated flushed field wrinkle

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: maize crawly school cafeteria

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: mind-boggling sanctuary

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: flickering locus black woman

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: buff cruise ship

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: massive area mental disorder



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: massive area mental disorder



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Haunting Balding Meetinghouse Cuckold



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: cowardly sexy knife goal in life

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2E#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: massive area mental disorder



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