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massive genital piercing
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just walk outside bro
lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar s...
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it was a nanny state.
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Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a sett...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: massive genital piercing

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49117359)



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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49128622)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49141968)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49143857)



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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49156580)



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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49172980)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49421817)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49421862)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49421881)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49424474)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49425035)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49425543)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49427654)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49436681)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49436785)



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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49439167)



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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49441985)



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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49454945)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49455274)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49457596)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49461550)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49463581)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49464738)



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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49466319)



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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49467160)



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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49478445)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49484240)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49484832)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:20 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49492316)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 12:55 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49493000)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:23 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49495268)



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Date: December 9th, 2025 3:57 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49497250)



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Date: December 10th, 2025 9:55 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49500993)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:07 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49515504)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:04 AM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49518561)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 8:59 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49529071)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 8:47 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49532458)



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Date: December 24th, 2025 12:00 AM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49536032)



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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49545634)



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Date: December 28th, 2025 7:05 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49545665)



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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49548639)



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Date: January 4th, 2026 8:56 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49562700)



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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:39 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49567730)



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Date: January 12th, 2026 6:44 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49584404)



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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:47 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49589879)



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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49604959)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49838395)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM
Author: lake mind-boggling depressive candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49838453)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: tripping titillating stage scourge upon the earth

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Useless metal garrison foreskin

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: tripping titillating stage scourge upon the earth

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Useless metal garrison foreskin

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: tripping titillating stage scourge upon the earth

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Naked multi-colored multi-billionaire giraffe

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Lascivious Lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Startled Locus Death Wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Cracking black woman ticket booth

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Demanding Rigpig Principal's Office

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Curious Crackhouse

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Naked multi-colored multi-billionaire giraffe

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: dark organic girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49518664)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: emerald motley library feces

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Fluffy hell associate

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: pink french chef

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: idiotic cerebral wagecucks macaca

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Sickened mildly autistic stead

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: idiotic cerebral wagecucks macaca

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: pink french chef

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: insanely creepy talented wrinkle toaster

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49838409)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: insanely creepy talented wrinkle toaster

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2E#49838410)