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How real is hardcore magick stuff?
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Date: January 6th, 2017 11:47 PM Author: trip associate depressive Do you think any of these bros are legitimately in contact with some kind of intelligence/entity when they perform their fancy rituals? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317639) |
Date: January 6th, 2017 11:49 PM Author: Underhanded mexican yes, demons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317654) |
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Date: January 6th, 2017 11:52 PM Author: trip associate depressive do you think demons are actually some kind of extradimensional aliens? I could believe they're real if this is the stance proposed. is there such thing as "angels"/agents of light in contrast to demons/agents of darkness? is a White magician really that much different from a Black magician? |
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Date: January 6th, 2017 11:52 PM Author: Underhanded mexican "is a White magician really that much different from a black magician?"
no |
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Date: January 6th, 2017 11:57 PM Author: trip associate depressive answer my other 2 questions, plz and tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317687) |
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Date: January 6th, 2017 11:59 PM Author: Underhanded mexican no & yes
the problem w/magic is it fundamentally misunderstands the order of things. symbols have power because they reflect the higher things, you cannot manipulate the higher things via their derivations, it's pure superstition. |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:04 AM Author: trip associate depressive if they're not "aliens," what are they? if you can't manipulate them, then how can you summon them, as you've said they can? Is it just that you can summon them but can't trust them to do anything other than completely fuck you over and destroy you? Wouldn't summoning an angel be smarter than summoning a demon then? |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:24 AM Author: Underhanded mexican you've bought into the magician's description of what he does (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317833) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:30 AM Author: trip associate depressive then you describe for me what a magician does (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317882) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:33 AM Author: Underhanded mexican I already did above, just apply to the summoning paradigm
because u have a thing's attention doesn't mean u have power over it
of course demons are willing to ensnare magicians by appealing to their own insane self-regard |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:43 AM Author: trip associate depressive okay then talk a bit more about the angel/demon discrepancy. Wouldn't it be best to just stick to "summoning"/getting an angel's "attention" instead of fucking with demons? Seems like an angel might actually be helpful (unless you're trying to do something bad like curse someone), or at worst, ignore you. Whereas a demon might actively fuck you up bigly |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:44 AM Author: cerebral bat-shit-crazy kitty cat party of the first part lol ty enjoying this subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317994) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:49 AM Author: Underhanded mexican white magicians ultimately are doing the same thing as black magicians, i.e., the attempt to directly manipulate the higher by its lower instances. this is effective, but the only powers that will give u power through this are demonic, because the things u are using to act on the powers act on YOU & of their own accord, leaving u vulnerable. angels may protect u from your own folly, but u will not contact them and get them to do favors because of yr magical practice.
this sort of madness is what Christianity saved the West from embracing too much, and u can see what societies look like which generally embraced them (India)
magic is nigger |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:55 AM Author: trip associate depressive lol best conclusion line ever ty you really don't think there are any chill angel bros who would be willing to just show up and communicate with you, even if you didn't ask them to do stuff? seems like it would be a peak experience so are you a hardcore Christmo? |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:02 AM Author: Underhanded mexican I think Christianity is true but I'm a really shitty person @ practicing it, and I'm not saying that as a sort of false humility dodge or anything I just don't want anyone to get the impression that I'm particularly pious or decent when I'm not.
piety for me is mostly a strong sense of indignation @ blasphemy of holy things, including the human person which is why the magic thing gets me going (besides being based generally on retarded metaphysics) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:13 AM Author: trip associate depressive So you think Jesus wasn't just a great, enlightened prophet (this is about where my belief rests) but the physical embodiment/Son of God Himself? And that his death and resurrection saved all believers from their sins? What is "God" to you? |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:21 AM Author: Underhanded mexican that the Logos became incarnate is the most meaningful thing in all of Christianity to me, and it's what I see everything else through.
God is personal & the creator of the universe. I'm not sure I buy into the traditional "omnis" in the way they're usually understood, but luckily the Church doesn't ask me to submit to them. God definitely possesses every power that actually exists (well they originate in Him)
there is GOD, including the LOGOS and then there are what Maximus the Confessor called the "logoi"-- they're metaphysical pins, the teleological other that inheres in all natural objects, or the agents of Being in the realm of Becoming
this is all very loose but I hope it can give some coloring to what I say abt magic |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:48 AM Author: trip associate depressive this is beautiful tyty I really like it here |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:54 AM Author: Underhanded mexican there's a real reason most people who practice magic ultimately end up doing fucked up sexual shit
u start out with a little white magic and by the end of yr life ur fondling children and dancing around with yr withered dick flapping in people's faces like Fritjof Schuon, the demons love to see man debasing himself |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:00 AM Author: trip associate depressive yes I can definitely see this. I think about as much "magic" as I'll ever do is peaking on LSD while listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-21AtiWV3TE "The sky is filled with good and bad / That mortals never know" |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:02 AM Author: flesh vigorous bbw generalized bond Dee's first attempts with several scryers were not satisfactory, but, in 1582, he met Edward Kelley (then going under the name of Edward Talbot to disguise his conviction for "coining" or forgery), who impressed him greatly with his abilities.[29] Dee took Kelley into his service and began to devote all his energies to his supernatural pursuits.[29] These "spiritual conferences" or "actions" were conducted with an air of intense Christian piety, always after periods of purification, prayer and fasting.[29] Dee was convinced of the benefits they could bring to mankind.
In 1587, during a spiritual conference in Bohemia, Kelley informed Dee that the angel Uriel had ordered the men to share all their possessions, including their wives. |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:10 AM Author: Underhanded mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318131) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:57 AM Author: flesh vigorous bbw generalized bond all so-called "aliens" are in fact demons. as are all so-called "ghosts" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318054) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:02 AM Author: trip associate depressive what are angels, then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318084) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:16 AM Author: Laughsome Rebellious Dragon Private Investor this is correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317780) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:17 AM Author: trip associate depressive plz answer my other questions above, tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317794) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:00 AM Author: Stimulating zombie-like native http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/fb.aspx (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318064) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:10 AM Author: trip associate depressive creepy as FUCK bro what are your thoughts on the questions in this thread generally? |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:19 AM Author: Stimulating zombie-like native i think that a lot of what we know as "the occult" involves the perception of phenomena which cannot normally be perceived via the normal parameters of our senses.
furthermore, i think that there are means of extending the senses into the ambit of phenomena which are not bound by traditional notions of physics or causality. |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:41 AM Author: trip associate depressive would you say psychedelics are one of these MEANS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318301) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:57 AM Author: Stimulating zombie-like native sometimes, to an extent. but they can also create a false consciousness based more on internal mental hallucination than anything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318370) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 8:41 AM Author: Appetizing avocado candlestick maker pit how do you tell the difference? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#33015673) |
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Date: January 6th, 2017 11:52 PM Author: know-it-all navy location toilet seat it seems like a bunch of untreated schizos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317672) |
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Date: January 6th, 2017 11:56 PM Author: trip associate depressive idk man, there is some ancient shit behind some of these practices. lot of weird grimoires floating around seems like there's something substantial to it |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:35 AM Author: Underhanded mexican "there is some ancient shit behind some of these practices"
most of modern day magical practice is maybe as old as the 18th century. there was some continuity at one point (pagan magicians definitely had a presence throughout Byzantine society), but it's really unclear how much if anything was really transferred to the West when Renaissance occultists started seriously engaging in the stuff again. it's also not clear much of THAT really got passed on in anything like a coherent form-- I think it's best to look @ a lot of claims of transmission as essentially warlock kayfabe |
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Date: January 6th, 2017 11:54 PM Author: gold community account Have you seen The Prestige?
IIRC the magician fucking kills himself every time. Now that's hardcore! |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:13 AM Author: Racy Brindle Mad Cow Disease Menage lol brother did you just watch a bunch of styxhexenhammer videos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317766) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:16 AM Author: trip associate depressive nah man just jumping around wikipedia and following external links to kooky outside sources (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317790) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:33 AM Author: Racy Brindle Mad Cow Disease Menage what kinds of sources (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317905) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:41 AM Author: trip associate depressive I found this off the John Dee page I think and it is crazy/extensive: http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/3149/1/Whitby82PhD1.pdf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317975) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:20 AM Author: Stimulating zombie-like native you might find this book interesting:
when you think about "reality," you probably think of something with general ('universal') applicability. however, we run into the old philosophical problem of any conception of "reality" having to arise from a particular observer.
hence, we don't know about "reality" from outside of the singular experiential standpoint. everything beyond that is conjecture.
now, imagine if what you know as "reality" has an existential LOCALITY to it, ie, it is particular TO YOU. if that were the case, then the contours of reality may well be malleable within the locality bounded by the phenomenon of your experience.
this kind of radical existential locality is unprovable, but quite interesting. |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:36 AM Author: trip associate depressive very interesting ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317933) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:29 AM Author: Adulterous sticky institution liquid oxygen I'm sorry aspies but what the FUCK is going on ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317874) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:31 AM Author: Appetizing avocado candlestick maker pit christmos and occultmos trying to talk to each other (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317888) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 12:32 AM Author: Racy Brindle Mad Cow Disease Menage denecrane is thinking about becoming a wizard(the spell casting kind) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32317902) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 2:27 AM Author: White coldplay fan heaven he already did, i found video of denecrane warlocking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oWAb5NVALw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#33014699) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 7:10 PM Author: Adulterous sticky institution liquid oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32322454) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 7:34 PM Author: comical fear-inspiring stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32322619) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:27 AM Author: offensive cruise ship mental disorder OP- I am usually careful with attributing universal qualifiers because the standard of truth is that much greater, but as far as metaphysical systems go, none subsumes the tenets and anticipates the questions of so many others as wholly as Kaballah. Sometimes the Jews can be a pain in the ass, but theirs in the most beautiful religion with any semblance of real life written all over it. |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:43 AM Author: trip associate depressive I wish I knew Hebrew so I could explore dat GEMATRIA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318317) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:41 AM Author: Light mind-boggling home so is astral projection just a one way ticket to demonland? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318303) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 1:44 AM Author: trip associate depressive seems like it's two-way, no? this seems like the kind of thing you experience on DMT, but then you snap out of it |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 2:03 AM Author: Light mind-boggling home yeah i wonder if the symbols and patterns from psilocybe trips have something to do with what the christmo above was talking about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318391) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: trip associate depressive the universe is pretty much math incarnate to me, so I've always assumed that the shit you see while tripping is just a manifestation of all the higher math going on everywhere that your limited senses normally filter out (fractals, the Golden Ratio, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32318407) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 7:09 PM Author: brass concupiscible state you are a retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32322450) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 10:45 PM Author: Bespoke set partner if you don't have a family shaman who consults with astral beings, you're not prestigious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32323970) |
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Date: January 7th, 2017 10:51 PM Author: Mewling olive mediation Odd timing, OP, any thread that inspired this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#32324011) |
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Date: April 7th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: trip associate depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#33014641) |
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Date: April 8th, 2017 12:49 AM Author: hairraiser purple garrison I've contacted daemons of the Necronomicon. It works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3483789&forum_id=2E#33023229) |
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