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You guys all know about the secret meeting that changed rap music, right?

https://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-cha...
oomox
  05/25/26
I'll also note that at the same time these Zio record execs ...
oomox
  05/25/26
you need to abandon the "it's not jews, it's the zionis...
Penis Hut
  05/25/26
I originally wrote "Ashkenazi" but decided to stay...
oomox
  05/25/26
you are lying to yourself. i know you mean well, but you nee...
Penis Hut
  05/25/26
No she’s right. It’s the ashkenazis. Not Sephar...
cowgod
  05/25/26
...
oomox
  05/25/26
shepardim are like 100k arabs in the desert. we need to bash...
Penis Hut
  05/26/26
...
xXxPARSIGOD420xXx
  05/26/26
why is it that the late 80s/early 90s is exactly when crime ...
which is what makes time travel possible
  05/25/26
Not an expert on exact overall trends, just talking about tw...
oomox
  05/25/26
is this about jews promoting violent groidism?
Penis Hut
  05/25/26
Yes
oomox
  05/25/26
Cr, black criminality was not a problem up to that point
Risten
  05/25/26
No one is saying this
oomox
  05/25/26
Reads like some faggot made it up
i gave my cousin head
  05/25/26
What about this is hard to believe?
oomox
  05/25/26
nothing, if you believe everything you read
$30 Kirkland brand winter coat
  05/25/26
Why tf would jews need to do any of this lmfao especially w ...
i gave my cousin head
  05/25/26
Wtf are you talking about? This was clearly mostly Jews. It ...
oomox
  05/25/26
No jews would object to this shit lmfao
i gave my cousin head
  05/25/26
Are you trying to say you don't think this happened because ...
oomox
  05/25/26
Yeah a bunch of yids got together and drew the line at putti...
i gave my cousin head
  05/25/26
They focused their efforts on putting a specific demographic...
oomox
  05/26/26
as believable as the moon landing
i gave my cousin head
  05/26/26
(Ashkenazi record exec)
oomox
  05/26/26
yeah jews are known for pulling guns out on each other i ...
i gave my cousin head
  05/26/26
FWD:FWD:fwd
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
How about a fucking ai summary
Goyvin Jewsom
  05/26/26
In 1991 record companies invested in for-profit private pris...
oomox
  05/26/26
the timeline doesn't add up, since the US murder rate had it...
,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.
  05/26/26
I'm sure there were many factors at play, but the timeline a...
oomox
  05/26/26
Rate this rap scholar's rebuttal https://www.normschrieve...
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
I think we can all agree that if radical rap music was going...
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
Interesting thoughts and very interesting hip hop history, b...
oomox
  05/26/26
yeah the arguments against the letter as such aren't great ...
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
Did you think that before or did my points change your mind?...
oomox
  05/26/26
your points clarified issues i had with the rebuttal of the ...
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
I've been where you are but there comes a time when you real...
oomox
  05/26/26
No I agree but there's also a degree of structural depravity...
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
Or, to invert the saying: Just because they're out to get yo...
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
1800000. Yeah ultimately a lot of things we'll never know.
oomox
  05/26/26
i also don't think his big smoking gun of "well, too sh...
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
All good points. For me it just comes down to, so many times...
oomox
  05/26/26
I hear you
Minor Poasting Annoyances
  05/26/26
Why are there so many Words in this thread
xXxPARSIGOD420xXx
  05/26/26
oomox got a fire batch of tutu and read the benjy section of...
Metal Up Your Ass
  05/26/26
I think private prisons account for like less than a tenth o...
Nippon Professional Baseball
  05/26/26


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Date: May 25th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: oomox

https://www.hiphopisread.com/2012/04/secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-music.html

TUESDAY, APRIL 24, 2012

"The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation"

This anonymous letter landed in my inbox about a minute ago:

"Hello,

After more than 20 years, I've finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren't ready for.

Between the late 80's and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.

Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn't the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn't dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.

A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I'd like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn't talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn't remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn't willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged.

As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn't at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.

Thank you."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49900891)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 8:48 PM
Author: oomox

I'll also note that at the same time these Zio record execs were actively promoting criminality in black culture to fill up the for-profit prisons and line their pockets, the CIA was pumping crack into black neighborhoods. Active sabotage from all angles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49900894)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 8:49 PM
Author: Penis Hut ((zurich is stained))

you need to abandon the "it's not jews, it's the zionists" nonsense. it is the jews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49900900)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 8:51 PM
Author: oomox

I originally wrote "Ashkenazi" but decided to stay on-message with my hatred of Zionists and Zionism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49900903)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Penis Hut ((zurich is stained))

you are lying to yourself. i know you mean well, but you need to cut the shit and get real.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49900912)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:52 PM
Author: cowgod

No she’s right. It’s the ashkenazis. Not Sephardim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901436)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:56 PM
Author: oomox



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901449)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:41 AM
Author: Penis Hut ((zurich is stained))

shepardim are like 100k arabs in the desert. we need to bash all jews, i'm sorry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901676)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 7:37 AM
Author: xXxPARSIGOD420xXx (🧐)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901707)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 10:26 PM
Author: which is what makes time travel possible

why is it that the late 80s/early 90s is exactly when crime started going down instead of up, while the civil rights era is when it exploded?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901201)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:39 PM
Author: oomox

Not an expert on exact overall trends, just talking about two important and underdiscussed factors in the '80s, '90s, and onward

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901412)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 8:48 PM
Author: Penis Hut ((zurich is stained))

is this about jews promoting violent groidism?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49900896)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 9:23 PM
Author: oomox

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901006)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 10:01 PM
Author: Risten

Cr, black criminality was not a problem up to that point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901112)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 10:03 PM
Author: oomox

No one is saying this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901118)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: i gave my cousin head

Reads like some faggot made it up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901427)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: oomox

What about this is hard to believe?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901428)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:50 PM
Author: $30 Kirkland brand winter coat

nothing, if you believe everything you read

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901432)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:50 PM
Author: i gave my cousin head

Why tf would jews need to do any of this lmfao especially w inviting some goy faggots to agree to anything

Reads like a fanfic none of this shit happens irl

What needs to be decided is done centrally by jews then is executed and enforced by lower jews and down the jew pipeline

A literal goy is never part of it beyond anything tangential and it's mostly orders that they would never even understand the full plot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901433)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:51 PM
Author: oomox

Wtf are you talking about? This was clearly mostly Jews. It was record execs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901434)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:52 PM
Author: i gave my cousin head

No jews would object to this shit lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901437)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:53 PM
Author: oomox

Are you trying to say you don't think this happened because someone blew the whistle on it and that's inconceivable to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901441)



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Date: May 25th, 2026 11:55 PM
Author: i gave my cousin head

Yeah a bunch of yids got together and drew the line at putting goyim in prisons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901445)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 12:34 AM
Author: oomox

They focused their efforts on putting a specific demographic in prison, yes (young/poor rap listeners)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901490)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: i gave my cousin head

as believable as the moon landing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901498)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 2:17 AM
Author: oomox

(Ashkenazi record exec)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901574)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 8:32 AM
Author: i gave my cousin head

yeah jews are known for pulling guns out on each other

i hope ur actually a woman because if ur not ur so low iq its laughable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901743)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 5:31 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

FWD:FWD:fwd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901617)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 5:35 AM
Author: Goyvin Jewsom

How about a fucking ai summary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901620)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 5:37 AM
Author: oomox

In 1991 record companies invested in for-profit private prisons and there was a secret meeting of music industry people where they were urged to push gangster rap that would inspire criminality in listeners, so that the private prisons would fill up and the stockholders would profit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901622)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 5:46 AM
Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,.


the timeline doesn't add up, since the US murder rate had its modern peaks in 1980 and then 1990/1991 specifically. after '91, it actually started declining significantly until 2001.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901626)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 5:52 AM
Author: oomox

I'm sure there were many factors at play, but the timeline adds up IMO even just for this one. You've got to imagine the shift in the messaging, even if implemented quickly, didn't suddenly activate young people into committing crime. The manipulation probably occurred over years, infecting the minds of people who grew up from early childhood on music that glorified criminal activity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901631)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 5:55 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

Rate this rap scholar's rebuttal

https://www.normschriever.com/blog/dont-believe-the-hype-a-counterpoint-to-the-secret-meeting-that-changed-rap-story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901632)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 5:56 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

I think we can all agree that if radical rap music was going to influence anyone it would have been black (in those days) teenaged males. But a look at the percentage of black male high school dropouts per year actually shows a significant decrease in the years 1990-1996, when this gangsta-rap-to-prison plan was supposedly in place:

Percentage of Black Male High School Dropouts.

1972 22.3%

1980 20.8%

1985 16.1%

1990 11.9%

1995 11.1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901633)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:10 AM
Author: oomox

Interesting thoughts and very interesting hip hop history, but these were flimsy points as rebuttals to the claim that the meeting happened.

Whistleblowing with clues to identity – OK, people change their minds about things, plus he might have fudged some details.

American spelling – utterly retarded

Secret remaining secret for 20 years – 🙄

Assumption that the guy didn't submit to other outlets besides this blog – 🙄

"All they needed to do was influence record company CEO’s in private, who then would create legitimate mandates within their own companies" – What does he think this story is? Doesn't sound like it was limited to "CEOs" but it was 30 high-level music industry people, presumably executives and VPs and similar. They were urging these people to make this happen at their companies. That's the whole point. Who does he think this "room full of strangers" was?

"The only problem is that both of those conditions already existed in 1991, gansta rap and horrific societal problems in the inner cities and black communities." – Yes and the guy even said that in the letter. The point was to latch onto this momentum and promote those things even MOAR.

Crime didn't spike immediately/noticeably – OK? Maybe their plan didn't succeed but it's still noteworthy that they tried. Or maybe it did succeed; who knows what the pattern would have been without this influence? Also, like I mentioned above, it makes sense that there'd be a delay in the impact, as it might have only affected people who grew up from a young age on that sort of music.

Lots of incredibly faulty logic I could point out if I wanted to be autistic but probably not worth my time and would annoy me to compile. But cool piece, ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901659)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:13 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

yeah the arguments against the letter as such aren't great

i think the dropout rate part, etc., is interesting as is the fact that the biggest force in gangsta rap was suge and he wouldn't have been involved

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901660)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:17 AM
Author: oomox

Did you think that before or did my points change your mind?

Yeah, there are so many complex social variables at play that it's pretty much pure speculation whether or not this secret plan, which I do believe was real, paid off directly in incarceration/crime/dropout rates. It's just interesting that/if it happened. Gives insight into these elites and the kinds of evil schemes they come up with to enrich themselves and keep other people down. But I wasn't there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901664)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:30 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

your points clarified issues i had with the rebuttal of the letter proper

im generally just a less conspiratorial person so I don't really see any reason that this stuff wouldn't have happened regardless; i think a lot of conspiratorial thinking is an attempt to rationalize the bad results that come out of private interests acting in their own interest without caring or considering downstream effects

otoh given the insane stuff we know that the fbi and cia did in the 50s and 60s it's hard to put anything past them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901666)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:36 AM
Author: oomox

I've been where you are but there comes a time when you realize that generally, if there's an evil thing you wouldn't put past Them, they're doing it. Nothing is beneath them. Once you see it it's hard to unsee.

What you said, "private interests acting in their own interest," is actually a perfect description. You just aren't seeing yet just how ugly that gets. It's earth-shattering when you see the depths of their depravity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901670)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

No I agree but there's also a degree of structural depravity that I think conspiracymos undervalue that's more upsetting; that whole "no ethical consumption under capitalism" motto is annoying AF but there is truth to it inasmuch as we're all the bad guys to some degree or other

And trust me, I know a fuckton about conspiracy theories; I've read up heavily on Danny Casolaro and the Octopus stuff, the P2 Lodge stuff, the Marc Dutroux stuff, Franklin Credit Union, Project Beta. I know what's up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901678)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:45 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

Or, to invert the saying: Just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're not still paranoid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901679)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:47 AM
Author: oomox

1800000. Yeah ultimately a lot of things we'll never know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901683)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:40 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

i also don't think his big smoking gun of "well, too short and schooly d were doing gangsta stuff before 1991 and so was NWA" proves anything; only someone who thinks in A Wyatt Mann cartoons would think that Jews just came down from the mountain and handed black people the blueprint for gangsta rap; if you were going to do this conspiracy, you'd just encourage the green shoots that were already there.

Ultimately I think there's two questions here:

1) Did the meeting take place, and

2) Did gangsta rap promote black criminality and anti-social behaviors?

1 isn't really falsifiable and I think that you're more disestablishment than I am so we're probably going to have different sets of priors. The whole "gathering everyone together" element of it is what makes me suspicious; it all seems very on the nose but then MKULTRA seems on the nose and it happened. So did the Wannsee Conference, etc.

2 I just don't think makes a lot of sense because there are other long term trends that have been discussed (lead, abortion rates) and also there's the fact that gangsta rap was as much a reflection of a society that existed as it was something that created it. I have no doubt that at various points in time people did dumb criminal shit because their rap songs made it seem cool, but from what I've read, the whole "superpredator" wave had already crested by the LA Riots era and it was generally downhill from there (and really violent crime continues to overall be on the decline in America)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901673)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 6:46 AM
Author: oomox

All good points. For me it just comes down to, so many times I've thought, "there is some evidence – but not proof – that They might be doing this thing, and I could IMAGINE them doing it," the conspiracy is eventually proven to have happened. So my epistemic calculus heavily weighs toward believing stories like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901681)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 7:11 AM
Author: Minor Poasting Annoyances (No Future)

I hear you



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901696)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 7:55 AM
Author: xXxPARSIGOD420xXx (🧐)

Why are there so many Words in this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901724)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 8:06 AM
Author: Metal Up Your Ass

oomox got a fire batch of tutu and read the benjy section of the sound and the fury and here we are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901733)



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Date: May 26th, 2026 9:24 AM
Author: Nippon Professional Baseball

I think private prisons account for like less than a tenth of prison capacity, and I'm sure it's even lower if not outright banned in sihtlib states like CA. This seems entirely fake and made up and also gay. Is there proof "record labels" were "investing" in private prisons? That barely even seems lucrative and I doubt they concocted a scheme to make music to encourage more ppl to go to prison just so they could make more money when it would be much easier and more effective just to throw money at "lock em up" DAs instead of change the whole culture (which poasters above showed that they did a bad job of it as violent crime rates went down).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869049&forum_id=2Reputation#49901770)