Wonder where that little slut is today. Probably dead too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49332826)

Re: the son, my strong, strong guess is that the kid 100% internalized that the charges are bullshit and the 'system' is a rigged and corrupt, and will take that into adulthood. He won't have a white-collar job and more likely than not has his own lower-level trouble with the law (whom he hates), but dude will have sick self-confidence and will pull 5x more top-tier prole pussy than you and I combined.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333320)

Your paperwork, meaning your PSR and sometimes discovery (all though this is bigger in pretrial confinement) or your plea agreement (although this isn't necessary if they have the psr), will be reviewed by your car's keyholder or designee (and yes, I have seen keyholders who personally handle this; ofc if we're talking like a eMe llavero in el paso or AB in Fort Dix, you can read this the same way you read "the attorney general or his designee" in Title 18). If there are sex offenses in the priors section (including just arrests; wouldn't you think that if anyone respected the presumption of innocence it'd be these guys?) or any whiff of cooperation--and honestly that's sometimes just a too-fucking-good-to-be-true deal that your attorney worked hard to get--then you'll be told to check yourself into PC. (There are instant-violence situations, but they're unusual, in part because most inmates subject to them know damn good and well they can't walk the line. I'm talking like folks who actually testified, or where there's other strong circumstantial evidence of cooperation, and the person(s) on the losing end of that exact cooperation are in the same facility.) You can litigate this decision, and some do (and some win), and I would actually bet that more actual violence comes here--from dudes just not accepting the decision--than from what I'm calling instant-violence situations where there wasn't a fair chance given to move your ass into PC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333406)

Is this shit not settled by COs but instead by gangs? The gangs actually decide if you get PC? Is that just going to solitary or is that a special floor you go because they know you're a target?

You're doing a really poor job of articulating what you're trying to convey. I can tell you know a lot of stuff but your writing style lacks clarity and is unacceptable. Really sad to see a lawyer who doesn't write well. And try not to throw 400 unexplained acronyms at an audience that doesn't have deep knowledge of the prison system. Seriously, clean it up. This is a law bort where we Write Well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333424)

Walking the line means being in gen pop, not PC (I kind of thought this one had worked its way into the popular lexicon, but whatever). PC means protective custody. It most typically refers to a situation where you're in your solo cell 23 hours/day, with an hour/day of what's called yard time but in fact amounts to being able to take a shower and call your wife, who unlike you *is* getting plowed by convicts daily (rim shot!).

PC being exactly this is less true than it used to be, since BOP (and CDCR, TDCJ, etc.... those are Cali's and TX's systems) is big and they've tried to create a bunch of 'intermediate' units that aren't as psychologically damaging as traditional PC (where no joke, you'll have dudes decide they just can't take it anymore and go back to the line and get killed). So prisons are continually experimenting with attempts to handle dangerous situations by sorting 'like with like' rather than outright segregation ("seg" is an umbrella term that refers to both PC and disciplinary seg, and technically things like medical seg, but because the term PC exists, the term "seg" on its own is normally assumed to refer to disciplinary seg, which has different names at different facilities). By sorting, I mean things like 'dropout yards' (for former gang members who want to leave), pods for just former LEOs (basically only BOP is big enough to do this), sex offender pods, etc. The big problem with these--dropout yards being by far the most prevalent--is that simply by being less restrictive, it means the gangs can infiltrate them; e.g., Juan "PerroRab" Espinoza-Martinez, an SNM (Synidicato Nuevo Mexico, since I'm not allowed to use acronyms for some reason... hope my use of the full words makes you feel edified) in good standing, tells COs that he wants to leave the gang and go to a dropout yard; once there, he immediately brutally slaughters Edgar "El Adicto" Lujan, for being a legit dropout. The other problem is that these dropout yards just develop their own sub-gangs that become almost as bad--bear in mind that the dudes who are here are only here because their specific gang would kill them, not because they don't like (or at least gravitate to) the gang lifestyle--and this also tends to be the problem with sex-offender pods (that and you get the adult/same-sex offenders trying to police the chomos, who they look down on). So traditional PC continues to live on, despite attempts to reduce it to a purely transitory arrangement.

The COs are to the prison population kind of like cops are to the non-incarcerated population; that analogy is far more apt than the grade-school-teacher analogy a lot of people have in their head. There are major differences, including the lack of individual rights and privacy and the knowledge that no one is ever taking the 'citizen's' side in any dispute with any factual grey area; the fact that COs don't have a meaningful system 'behind' them (prison infractions short of murder almost always get dealt with via the prison disciplinary system), which both lowers the stakes and also makes the COs more godlike; the greatly increased corruption (every single facility has open drug pipelines that come in at least partially through corrupt COs); and the fact that with COs there's very little pressure from above to make the community they're policing a better/safer place.

The COs will generally intervene, albeit reactively, in active violence; for one-off attacks, that means they're going to be too late, but it's actually pretty successful at curbing sexual violence (since that's recurrent). (The vast, vast majority of sex in prison is consensual, although we're expanding the definition of "consensual" here to a context-appropriate dimension that your law-shrew lib gf would NOT be happy about.)

The COs technically decide who goes where, of course, but in practice, the cars (gangs) drive inmate decisionmaking, which is 90% of how the COs exercise their discretion. At most places, PC is an absolute right: if you say you don't feel safe, you get to go to PC; this is why its referred to as "checking yourself in" or whatever. (There's little incentive to abuse this privilege, because PC sucks as a way to live, and once you pull that trigger, it's very difficult to ever go back. A lot of times a guy will show up at a new facility with perfectly fine paperwork, and his only problem is that when the keyholder runs background on him, he'll find out that he was in PC at a past facility, and that alone will necessitate PC now.) It's not an absolute right to *not* go to PC, and the COs will often PC a guy who's in clear danger but doesn't want to check himself in, but that's an inherently short-term solution, since it's just not practical in this day and age to keep a guy in PC indefinitely if he doesn't want (by which I mean "agree") to be there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333504)

Why does a guy who has been in PC before have to go back even if his paperwork is clean? Just because he's under some sort of suspicion?

How often does a guy beg to go to a dropout floor just to put a hit on a guy who was trying to get away from gangs?

How come the statutory raper in the OP wasn't in PC? Seems like the type who would be aware he was a target if everyone saw his paperwork.

Describe why libshrews wouldn't consider the sex consensual? You're alluding to a gray area here without spelling it out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333545)

2. Not often, but I'm aware of a handful of real cases (in my region alone, so I'm not even talking nationally). We've also largely been conflating beatdowns and actual killings, which 90% of the time are intentionally distinct, even when they're super-serious beatdowns that, in a non-custodial context, everyone would say have to be viewed as attempted murder. Sending a paisa into a dropout yard to stab a fucker in the eye (a serious but reliably non-fatal injury) is something you see all the time.

3. I dunno what his precise deal was. For statutory rape of a 15-y/o, as a white teacher, I do think he probably initially had to. (This is shocking to no one, but not everything that broader society considers a sex offense counts for these purposes. Male-on-male punitive sexual violence--and I'm talking some gnarly violent shit here--doesn't count, for instance. Statutory in the high teens is a grey area, and it will vary by facility and race, occasionally extremely. For example, in some areas with not a lot of blacks, most of the blacks who are in federal custody will be there for sex trafficking (pimping). In those communities, it ends up being okay to be a sex offender, even of minors, in gen pop; this is an admittedly exotic example. A more common example is that in a lot of places all the hispanics have 16-y/o gfs themselves and so will not gaf about that.) If someone with inside knowledge told me that this guy got given the okay--reading between the lines, this appears to have been fully factually consensual sex--I'd believe it, although it wouldn't be my guess. You also have guys who try to gradually transition down from PC to one of these intermediate restricted pods, at the same time as their risk assessment is lowering (this is the formal categorization done by the facility, which in most systems is just 3 levels: high, medium, and low); this guy was on short time (i.e., at the end of his sentence), so maybe he was doing something like that. As I've mentioned, the vast majority of folks are willing to take some personal-safety risks for greater freedom. But I honestly don't know what happened here, and I could imagine a handful of different scenarios.

4. Oh lol. I mean like sex as payment, including payment for already-incurred debts (which I'm sure you can start to imagine is looking pretty coercive, applying lib standards), is pretty standard. This is not what we're talking about ITT, but as a side note, in a lot of state systems (not BOP), sex between male COs and female inmates is still super-common; I've done a number of those cases. The inmate-culture treatment of gaysex is actually a pretty interesting one, btw, because at most places it's still frowned upon formally and required to be done 'secretly' (even if everyone knows it's happening); if you're seen to be "faggin' off" in public--and I had a guy get dinged for this for nothing more than giving massages, and he was a licensed massage therapist--that'll get you disciplined, although it isn't PC-worthy, unless maybe you're flitting around like brian boitano with a cock in each hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333610)

And you're telling me we have entire prisons in the US filled with beaners with underage gfs? How the fuck is this possible? What the hell is going on in this country?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333624)

And yeah I'm not sure if you bought into the lib media's line that stephen miller, TRUMP et al. are all just Crazy Loony Racists and there's actually Nothing To What They Say, but we've been intentionally importing literally tens of millions of per se criminals into this country over decades now. Why in THE FUCK you would think this WOULDN'T completely ruin this once-great land is completely unclear to me. I think people just listened to and brayed along with their shitlib professors-cum-104-IQ TV-news commentators?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333630)

I just spent some time with my parents in a VERY upscale liberal enclave and yes I can honestly say they're wildly out of touch. When the median home value of a suburb cracks a million dollars people's opinions start to get weird. There are millions of extremely well to do people in this country who live in neighborhoods where every house is a mansion, every lawn is perfectly manicured, and there hasn't been a murder in 50 years. So yeah I'm sure that's pretty different than someone living in San Antonio bragagagak.

I knew a guy who did hard time he said it was awesome. Being in a gang gave him purpose and he loved fighting people. He would get out, do drugs, get pussy, rob people and go right back in. He said TDCJ didn't bother him until he hit 30 and realized it sucked and cleaned up his act and went on the straight and narrow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333642)

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2641279&forum_id=2#48732088

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333343)

but can consent to having their sexual body parts removed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5784144&forum_id=2Reputation#49333612)