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The Gemara discusses the legal and ethical ramifications of finding money in a wall primarily in Masechet Bava Metzia 25a-26a, which deals with the laws of returning lost objects (hashavat aveida). The rules depend on the context of the wall and the nature of the find.

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Key Talmudic Rules for Money in a Wall

Old vs. New Walls: If a person finds money in a ruined wall or an old wall, it belongs to them because it is assumed to have been left there for a very long time, and the original owner has likely despaired (mityaesh) of finding it.

Wall of a House: If found in the wall of a house, it depends on its location. If it is closer to the outside (closer to the public domain), it belongs to the finder. If it is closer to the inside, it belongs to the homeowner.

Signs of Age: A critical factor is whether the money appears to have been there for a long time (e.g., it is very rusty or deteriorated). If so, it is assumed to belong to the finder.

"Rummager" Rule: If the item is in a place where people frequently dig or search (like a broken wall), the finder can keep it.

Handle/Identifier: If the item found has a handle (like a knife) or a unique identifier, and it points inward, it belongs to the homeowner; if it points outward, it belongs to the finder.

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Specific Scenarios in Gemara

Hidden Treasures in Walls: The Gemara notes that in times of war or instability, people hid their wealth in walls, expecting to return to them. Later, these are treated as ownerless, provided they appear ancient.

Dividing the Find: The Steinsaltz Talmud notes a case where if a hole in a wall is filled with money, and it's unclear if it all came from one side, the finder and the homeowner divide the money.

Rented Homes: If a house has been rented to several different people, the finder may have to return the object to the most recent renter, as they may have recently lost it.

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Note: These discussions are found in the section of the Talmud focused on property law, specifically Masechet Bava Metzia, which examines when a finder is entitled to keep found property.

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5865940&forum_id=2Reputation#49880579)

but what kinda fag would tell anyone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5865940&forum_id=2Reputation#49881484)

10 years on, it's yours. Especially if it's money (which is fungible, unlike the jewelry, which might be heirlooms with sentimental value) or if there have been multiple previous owners.

If there was only one preivous owner or there is something clearly linking it to a particular previous owner, the "right" thing to do may be to notify them and try to return what you found, even though it's yours legally and you have an OK-ish moral claim to it.

Better question: What if you find it just 2 days after moving in? What if the previous owner comes back 2 days after vacating and says, vaguely, that he forgot something and wants to nip down to the basement for a minute to grab it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5865940&forum_id=2Reputation#49881609)

it's fine to play a pickup basketball game at the gym or park or whatever, but joining some league wtf grow up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5865940&forum_id=2Reputation#49882286)