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UBER suing LA personal injury firms for inflated medical bills, Armenian doctors

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/west/2025/07/21/832621...
chandler (retired)
  07/21/25
They are starting to do that in GA too. Or at least defens...
michael doodikoff
  07/21/25
bootlickers pls respond: >“The company never tri...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
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Master P?s Apotheosis
  07/21/25
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toll job
  07/21/25
is there such a concept in america law as "defamation o...
VoteRepublican
  07/21/25
emrani is one of the defendants: DOWNTOWN LA LAW GROUP, ...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
Odd coincidence
;::;:;;::;;;;;::::
  07/21/25
2. Unscrupulous personal injury attorneys and corrupt medica...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
This is all true, but it’s just describing Americas fr...
toll job
  07/21/25
this BU BU BUT THE PLAINTIFFS HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE argument...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
I think they're suggesting that if the plaintiffs went to a ...
Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband
  07/21/25
but see below, where they bitch that the plaintiffs get very...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
There too, I don't think they're saying that these plaintiff...
Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband
  07/21/25
i know, but they're trying to portray the plaintiffs as some...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
Jewish Lawyers | Armenian Doctors | Mongolian Sushi Chefs
Judas Jones
  07/21/25
this BU BU BUT THE LAWYERS & DOCS MAKE MORE THAN THE PLA...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
California code on economic damages failed to contemplate th...
Dave Prole
  07/21/25
😂
VoteRepublican
  07/21/25
Interestingly the only case I’ve ever had with this su...
chandler (retired)
  07/21/25
And the adjuster offered SHIT
Dave Prole
  07/21/25
Correct you worked on that case too
chandler (retired)
  07/21/25
do you and he go to the same armenian church?
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
Won’t someone think of the insurance companies
scholarship
  07/21/25
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...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
and they're gonna win
Bill Lightyears
  07/21/25
I’d bet a good amount of money at even odds that they ...
chandler (retired)
  07/21/25
does uber self insure? wouldnt they have insurance policies?...
...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
  07/21/25
No they have policies through many insurance companies. I...
chandler (retired)
  07/21/25
if they have $1M policies, how have they paid anything out i...
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  07/22/25
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chandler (retired)
  07/22/25


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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:00 PM
Author: chandler (retired)

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/west/2025/07/21/832621.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120087)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:02 PM
Author: michael doodikoff

They are starting to do that in GA too. Or at least defense firms doing major third party fishing expeditions on medical providers via regular PI defense work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120092)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:07 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


bootlickers pls respond:

>“The company never tried a single case it now claims was fraudulent,” the law firm said. “If Uber truly believed these claims were meritless, it had every opportunity to take them to trial. It chose not to.”



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120107)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:21 PM
Author: Master P?s Apotheosis (No Future)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120302)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: toll job



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120435)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:08 PM
Author: VoteRepublican (A true Chad!! where's your gf/wifew?)

is there such a concept in america law as "defamation of a group"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120112)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:09 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


emrani is one of the defendants:

DOWNTOWN LA LAW GROUP,

IGOR FRADKIN, THE LAW

OFFICES OF JACOB EMRANI,

JACOB EMRANI, GSK SPINE, GREG

KHOUNGANIAN, and RADIANCE

SURGERY CENTER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120113)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:23 PM
Author: ;::;:;;::;;;;;::::

Odd coincidence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120308)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:12 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


2. Unscrupulous personal injury attorneys and corrupt medical providers

in the Los Angeles area are engaged in this fraud scheme. The lawyers direct

claimants to pre-selected medical providers to receive procedures for minor or nonexistent injuries. Following unnecessary and/or causally unrelated treatment, certain

providers generate and submit artificially inflated bills for such treatment. These bills

are issued on a lien basis.

Rather than using claimants’ own medical insurance for

treatment, the claimants instead enter into lien agreements with the medical

providers, which grant such providers a lien on recoveries from the claim and purport

to promise full payment to the medical providers in the event of a shortfall in

recovery. Such arrangements are shams. In reality, the claimants’ lawyers and certain

medical providers secretly enter into side agreements under which the medical

providers agree to substantially discount their bills in the event that the recovery is

insufficient to pay the artificially inflated medical bills. Because the side agreements

are concealed, the medical bills are false and misleading. The bills are then utilized

as the basis for a false and artificially inflated damages claim.

3. The secret side agreement functions as a kickback. In exchange for a

steady supply of claimants from the lawyers, certain medical providers agree to

surrender their lien rights. The lawyers profit because they receive priority recovery

of their fees and other costs. The medical providers profit because when a claimant

has a successful claim, the providers recover on most or all of their artificiallyinflated bills. And the lawyers and medical providers walk away with larger

recoveries than their personal injury clients.

4. Claimants are passed along to medical provider scheme participants

without regard to their need for actual medical treatment. Lawyers send claimants

with no or negligible injuries caused by the purported underlying accidents to the

medical providers with the foreknowledge that the medical providers will

recommend and deliver a variety of unnecessary medical treatments including

surgery, and will thereafter submit an artificially inflated bill, and/or recommend

future surgeries with artificially inflated estimated fees. As such, it is routine for the

medical providers to produce fraudulent documents diagnosing non-existent or

exaggerated injuries, falsely linking these injuries causally to the accidents and then

proposing and performing costly, invasive, and/or unnecessary surgeries. Together

with the artificially inflated resulting bills, the attorneys use these fraudulent

documents and unnecessary treatments as a basis for fraudulent lawsuits and/or

claims for damages.

5. Because of such overtreatment and inflated liens held on the recovery

by the various medical providers involved, the claimants themselves commonly walk

away with relatively minimal recovery compared to the fees that the lawyers and

medical providers receive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120122)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 11:09 PM
Author: toll job

This is all true, but it’s just describing Americas fraudcare system. How do you file a lawsuit against people for fraud when all they are doing is doing healthcare in the American fraud system

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120443)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:17 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


this BU BU BUT THE PLAINTIFFS HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE argument is utterly retarded:

>25. Many of Fradkin’s and Emrani’s clients actually have health insurance.

But to maximize their eventual recovery in their fraudulent lawsuits, Fradkin and

Emrani steer these claimants away from medical providers who would bill their

health insurance. Instead, these claimants are directed to specified medical providers,

selected by the attorneys, who bill on a lien basis pursuant to a kickback scheme, in

which certain medical providers agree to surrender their lien rights in exchange for a

steady supply of claimants from the lawyers. These medical providers, including

Khounganian and/or Radiance Surgery Center, require claimants to sign lien

agreements under which the claimants agree to pay the providers from recoveries on

their claims.

...

so the plaintiffs rationally chose to engage in a process that gets them more money in their pockets? maybe that bc their insurance carrier would screw them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120150)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband

I think they're suggesting that if the plaintiffs went to a real doctor the doctor would say "looks like you escaped that extremely minor accident unscathed."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120173)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:27 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


but see below, where they bitch that the plaintiffs get very little recovery versus the doctors. they seem to suggest the plaintiffs are getting screwed, when they're also winning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120182)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:30 PM
Author: Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband

There too, I don't think they're saying that these plaintiffs deserve more compensation than they end up receiving.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120191)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:34 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


i know, but they're trying to portray the plaintiffs as some poor sucker victims of this criminal rico enterprise, and they're whitewashing the fact that the plaintiffs are doing better from this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120198)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: Judas Jones

Jewish Lawyers | Armenian Doctors | Mongolian Sushi Chefs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120155)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


this BU BU BUT THE LAWYERS & DOCS MAKE MORE THAN THE PLAINTIFFS argument is also utterly retarded

>bills, so the lawyers can (i) falsely claim credit for obtaining a discount on their bill

and (ii) deliver a minimal recovery to clients to preserve their ability to attract more

clients in the future.

29. In exchange for secretly agreeing to discount their bills, the medical

providers receive a steady stream of referrals from the lawyers. The arrangement is a

kickback scheme.

30. Because of the liens that Khounganian and other providers hold on their

recoveries, the claimants see little financial recovery from the fraudulent cases

relative to the high payouts that the attorneys, Khounganian, and other providers

receive.

...

note they dont say the plaintiffs would be better off not hiring a lawyer and trusting their insurance company to act in good faith to fully compensate them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120157)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:03 PM
Author: Dave Prole

California code on economic damages failed to contemplate that Medi-Cal would adjust every bill downward by 90-95%

Also insurance adjusters are assholes when clients treat through their own health insurance. They ALWAYS offer shit even with the same exact treatment because they know that the providers aren't testifying at trial and because they're huge assholes.

Asshole carriers and adjusters are the ONLY reason that the SoCal lien provider cottage industry is the biggest medical enterprise in the world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120254)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: VoteRepublican (A true Chad!! where's your gf/wifew?)

😂

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120295)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:19 PM
Author: chandler (retired)

Interestingly the only case I’ve ever had with this surgeon was when my client treated entirely through Providence St Joseph’s hospital and he performed a surgery via her health insurance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120296)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:22 PM
Author: Dave Prole

And the adjuster offered SHIT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120305)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: chandler (retired)

Correct you worked on that case too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120339)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:53 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


do you and he go to the same armenian church?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120402)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:38 PM
Author: scholarship

Won’t someone think of the insurance companies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120358)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:53 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120403)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: Bill Lightyears

and they're gonna win

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120404)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 11:34 PM
Author: chandler (retired)

I’d bet a good amount of money at even odds that they will not pay Uber a dime in this case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120477)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:56 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


does uber self insure? wouldnt they have insurance policies? idg this suit in the first place

theyre not suffering damage from having to pay out allegedly inflated claims unless theyre self insuring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120406)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 11:36 PM
Author: chandler (retired)

No they have policies through many insurance companies.

It’s really weird how they probably paid these firms hundreds of millions in settlements, refused to try or arbitrate any cases (knowing the risk they’ll get hit in LA) and now they’re filing this without any evidence those cases weren’t meritorious. You’d think they’d need a defense verdict or some damning evidence to back these allegations up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120479)



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Date: July 22nd, 2025 6:56 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


if they have $1M policies, how have they paid anything out in any of these cases?

sure they've paid premiums, but that's not damages -- and creates a whole issue of causation which makes this a shitty lawsuit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120744)



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Date: July 22nd, 2025 12:47 AM
Author: chandler (retired)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2Reputation#49120539)