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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Irate Stage Jewess
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Talented slate piazza
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
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Silver Stock Car Den
  06/15/18
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Silver Stock Car Den
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
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  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
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Irate Stage Jewess
  02/12/22
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Charlie Dung from Zhejiang Province
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Onyx property love of her life
  06/15/18
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Silver Stock Car Den
  06/15/18
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sickened menage pisswyrm
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Onyx property love of her life
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Floppy judgmental cruise ship
  06/15/18
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pea-brained arousing reading party
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Silver Stock Car Den
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
Soggy theatre
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Bearded peach stead
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Stirring Outnumbered Hissy Fit Box Office
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Exciting cruel-hearted foreskin corner
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Onyx property love of her life
  06/15/18
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is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
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  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Bespoke charismatic parlour preventive strike
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
Irate Stage Jewess
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
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  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
Irate Stage Jewess
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
At-the-ready blathering native
  06/15/18
Explain
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Concupiscible Free-loading Senate Rigor
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
white site
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
dashing metal jap
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Irate Stage Jewess
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Irate Stage Jewess
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
Histrionic Angry Liquid Oxygen Becky
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
claret ladyboy
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
Irate Stage Jewess
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Infuriating mustard genital piercing twinkling uncleanness
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
Irate Stage Jewess
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Infuriating mustard genital piercing twinkling uncleanness
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
Irate Stage Jewess
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Buck-toothed hell
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Translucent Slimy Organic Girlfriend State
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
Histrionic Angry Liquid Oxygen Becky
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Buck-toothed hell
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
harsh kitchen
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Buck-toothed hell
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
harsh kitchen
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
claret ladyboy
  02/12/21
lol no
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how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
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  06/29/21
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Shimmering people who are hurt
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
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  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Talented slate piazza

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: black razzle boiling water

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Silver Stock Car Den



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Silver Stock Car Den



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Exciting cruel-hearted foreskin corner

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: magical electric furnace area

oh we got a legal expert here

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Charlie Dung from Zhejiang Province ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Onyx property love of her life

they have no debt as I understand it

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Silver Stock Car Den



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Onyx property love of her life

260k is a huge salary

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Floppy judgmental cruise ship

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: pea-brained arousing reading party



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Silver Stock Car Den

Cr. Thats city janitor money

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Soggy theatre

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Bearded peach stead

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Stirring Outnumbered Hissy Fit Box Office

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Exciting cruel-hearted foreskin corner

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Onyx property love of her life

sounds 180

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: pea-brained arousing reading party



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: vengeful diverse locale crotch

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Silver Stock Car Den



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: black razzle boiling water



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: sickened menage pisswyrm

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Stirring Outnumbered Hissy Fit Box Office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Concupiscible Free-loading Senate Rigor



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: Concupiscible Free-loading Senate Rigor



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Bespoke charismatic parlour preventive strike

omg 260k where do they get off

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: At-the-ready blathering native

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: At-the-ready blathering native

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Concupiscible Free-loading Senate Rigor



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: white site

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: dashing metal jap

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: Translucent Slimy Organic Girlfriend State



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: sickened menage pisswyrm



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: Histrionic Angry Liquid Oxygen Becky

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: claret ladyboy

holy shit

out the firm

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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Infuriating mustard genital piercing twinkling uncleanness

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Infuriating mustard genital piercing twinkling uncleanness

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Buck-toothed hell

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: Translucent Slimy Organic Girlfriend State



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: Histrionic Angry Liquid Oxygen Becky

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Buck-toothed hell

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: harsh kitchen

Better partnership odds

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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Buck-toothed hell

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: harsh kitchen

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: claret ladyboy

(Stevie Brogan)

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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Puce Degenerate Public Bath

lol no

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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: laughsome indigo casino

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: Shimmering people who are hurt



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Odious gold address

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Irate Stage Jewess



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