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Rabbi Had Me Talk To Prospective Cardozo 0L (at Sticker). CRUSHED His Dreams.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:25 PM Author: Onyx French Chef at shabbat, a rabbi told this kid with a stem phd to come talk to me about ip law.
he's considering enrolling in cardozo at sticker in the fall. i asked if his parents were helping, and he said nope, and he'd have to take out full loans for it.
then i proceeded to give him xo scholarship on TTTs being a scam with bullshit employment data, whittier closing down, etc. told him he'll be 200k in debt and may never make that money back.
he said no lawyer he talked to ever told him any of this before. jfc are other lawyers not saying anything of this shit to him? how fucking irresponsible.
he seemed to think he'd be okay with a patent bar number. i told him that means you MIGHT get a medium-paying job doing patent prosecution, not that you'll get biglaw ip.
i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it.
pddj said i literally crushed his life dreams. i couldnt tell bc im low eq but she said he seemed like he was about to cry. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:28 PM Author: angry water buffalo you're doing G-d's work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205915) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: Onyx French Chef it's a double mitzvah on shabbat! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205988) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:43 PM Author: vibrant box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33207429) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Black theater reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#35509848) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:21 PM Author: adventurous big-titted toaster pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33209547) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:25 PM Author: vibrant box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#35509835) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:25 PM Author: Lascivious Parlor Affirmative Action "i told him to get into a patent agent program and have them pay for law school, or just stay a patent agent. and see if he likes it."
This makes a lot of sense. If he still wants to do it after learning a bit more (and potentially getting someone else to pay for it), godspeed. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:16 PM Author: hairless stimulating dingle berry headpube This guy has a STEM phd and the best he could get into was fucking Cardozo? What was the STEM field, biology? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34011837) |
Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: cobalt odious school liquid oxygen I routinely get asked to speak to college juniors and seniors who are thinking about law school. I always try to discourage them by having the same sort of frank conversation you describe.
I am invariably the first one to go through the cost-benefit analysis with them.
Nearly every damn one of them has gone on to law school anyway, including several to TTTs and FTTs. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:34 PM Author: anal field boiling water Thhe highest lsat scorers are not going to law school as much...dumbs are still going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205965) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: cobalt odious school liquid oxygen In an odd twist, that means that some who should not have gone to law school in the past because all they could muster would be a school in the 20-30 range are getting into decent programs, which might make it worth it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205991) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Bright Business Firm Macaca Weirder, it's often the slightly dumber kids who are best suited for BigLaw and make partner. Just so long as they keep around one or two super nerds they'll be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010313) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: peach laughsome becky locale "decent programs" are not what make law school worth it. Cost is the determining factor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010339) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:38 PM Author: Onyx French Chef cr. this kid isnt the first one i've had this frank convo with. usually they're just not about to put a deposit now.
but in any event, they literally never listen. retarded decisionmaking correlates to poor lsat scores. |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:29 PM Author: pearl know-it-all gay wizard range That is such a good thing to have done I can't believe DBG actually did it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205927) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Onyx French Chef tbf i run xo law-school-is-a-scam scholarship on every prospective i meet. this is the first time i've ran it on a 0L deciding what to do in april/may who was sent by a rabbi to talk to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205980) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:32 PM Author: hairraiser sable stag film psychic You did a good thing even if you are autistic about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205939) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: swashbuckling rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33207404) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: anal field boiling water Where was his phd from? How does a phd stem fail the lsat that bad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205969) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:39 PM Author: Onyx French Chef cq
seems to be a top 10-25 stem program in his field.
the funny thing is he has options, unlike a fucking poli sci shithead. wtf is he thinking?
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:40 PM Author: anal field boiling water Big diff between top 10 and top 25..like huge difference
By stem, i hope he doesnt mean biology...ljl |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:41 PM Author: Onyx French Chef he got a postdoc offer at a directional state u. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33206040) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:46 PM Author: anal field boiling water Post doc isnt that impressive for stem. Tenurenjobs are where it is at. But still why the fuck is he going to law achool, esp since he bombed the lsat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33206071) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:55 PM Author: Onyx French Chef cq. pddj thinks has to be retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33206152) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:35 PM Author: zombie-like lay voyeur "good Shabbos" *DBJ expressionless getting up from seat near tearful jewdood* |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:36 PM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33205986) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:32 PM Author: zombie-like lay voyeur I remember my poa being MUCH better when I was gakked Lol |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#37009445) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Razzmatazz Therapy Corner Israel should plant a tree in your honor. You basically saved a Jew's life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33206167) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33206197) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: adventurous big-titted toaster pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33209554) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 4:41 PM Author: Onyx French Chef oh even the rabbi told me afterwards that i did the right thing. he said if someone solicits advice from you, you have to tell them your opinion and i have a basis for my opinion as an experienced lawyer.
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:56 PM Author: Ruddy Disturbing Temple cr, unless the person is a goy, in which case deception and trickery is the preferred approach. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33209365) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 11:22 PM Author: adventurous big-titted toaster pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33209557) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 2:02 AM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33210406) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:22 PM Author: internet-worthy nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#35509816) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 5:42 PM Author: Onyx French Chef oh yeah, he was convinced that he could lateral into a biglaw job even if he didnt get biglaw right off the bat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33206995) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:35 PM Author: zombie-like lay voyeur moar like lateral from his debt to suicidal ideation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33207378) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:40 PM Author: swashbuckling rigpig lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33207403) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2017 11:14 AM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33211536) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 6:41 PM Author: swashbuckling rigpig good on you, you probably saved this guy's life why isn't he working in STEM? STEM phd is ez money |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:51 PM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33209308) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:52 PM Author: Heady flesh hairy legs chapel OP is a hero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33209318) |
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Date: May 1st, 2017 10:55 PM Author: Onyx French Chef tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#33209348) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 1:45 AM Author: Onyx French Chef UPDATE: this fucker just began LS. in 4 yrs he'll be wishing he listened to me
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: razzle azn ljl
you did what you could, and why can't he get in to a T14 with a decent STEM PhD? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:11 AM Author: Onyx French Chef maybe he's not that smart? maybe he didnt realize he needed to grind thru the 20 LSAT practice tests to get a 165 if he's stupid enough to go to cardozo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010289) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: razzle azn if he is getting in to a good STEM PhD he is acing the GRE and a fortiori acing the LSAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010337) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: Onyx French Chef maybe he has weaker verbal / RC skills. alternatively, smart people sometimes are out of practice doing LSAT type shit if they're in stem. i know xo likes to think of the lsat as an intelligence test, but two similarly IQ people -- one who has been doing equations for 4 yrs, and the other who has been deconstructing arguments on xo for 4 yrs -- are gonna have diff LSAT results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010360) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: razzle azn I'll buy that
as far as pure IQ tests go, GRE is closer than LSAT I'm sure, but that opens the door to a high IQ guy relatively bombing LSAT
I suppose he is avoiding post doc purgatory too, which isn't irrational |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: Onyx French Chef yesh, avoiding post doc purgatory makes sense. but why not get an industry job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010423) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: razzle azn agreed, terrible decision is a parent a lawyer? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:06 PM Author: Onyx French Chef nope. if parent were a lawyer, he'd tell the guy not to go (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34011757) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:02 AM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010209) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:06 AM Author: Aromatic mentally impaired pisswyrm bawdyhouse Stem phd probably cops an IP jerb hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010238) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:10 AM Author: Onyx French Chef not necessarily biglaw ip. might be a 80k patent prox gig at some small firm when he's 200k in the hole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010274) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: Aromatic mentally impaired pisswyrm bawdyhouse nah he's good for biglaw IP if the PhD is in a desirable field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010359) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: Onyx French Chef unless he has good grades, he's still got to have some luck to end up at a SHITTY biglaw place.
and then what? there's still ONE | WRONG | MOVE and he could be shitcanned from ipbiglaw. or economy could downturn and he could be latham'd.
and what's the exit option? in-house ip gigs are still fucking hard to come by. so 150k in-house if all the stars align.
and he's still got the debt. the point is he should have stayed in stem. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: Aromatic mentally impaired pisswyrm bawdyhouse nah incorrect.
NYC law school + hard STEM PhD cops IP biglaw man |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: Onyx French Chef not guaranteed. and not in a recession (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010532) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: Aromatic mentally impaired pisswyrm bawdyhouse Sorry about your polisci shit degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34011787) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: Onyx French Chef i'm a stembro / biglawyer who does some ip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34011801) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:08 AM Author: Boyish half-breed Going to lolschool without an in of some kind (HYS, wealthy folks, instate while living at home) is like playing musical chairs. When the music stops some people will have a place to sit, and some won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010264) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: Bright Business Firm Macaca During the height of ITE, I was talking to a guy on his way to a true TTT after I noticed him studying for the LSAT in a bar. I told him that he shouldn't go and his argument that he should was that his friend (who went to a T14) was being paid $80k to not even work for a year. They're not worth saving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010290) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: razzle azn jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010340) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Exhilarant whorehouse depressive My boss went to Dozo after 12 years as a marine. Alpha mother fucker and a major hard ass. As a bank MD he makes north of 300k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010307) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:14 AM Author: Bright Business Firm Macaca That was when tuition was half today and that means he was on the GI Bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010323) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010329) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: razzle azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010343) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Bateful candlestick maker I'd bet that his success had more to do with being an alpha mother fucker/major hard ass and having the right rabbi. That's how it is at my place, got to have the right godfather/rabbi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010449) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: histrionic indirect expression Wow a hardass 45 year old marine earning what a 30 year old big law drone earns in the most expensive city in the country. Sign me up!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010474) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: Aromatic mentally impaired pisswyrm bawdyhouse 300k for a bank MD is absolute shit.
don't you work in compliance b/c you couldn't even cop ANY firm jerb out of TTTulane? |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: Bateful candlestick maker Damn. lol. He's in for a world of pain when he can't find a job and is looking at the doc review world. Isn't there a forum where doc reviewers post? You should have sent him there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010356) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: bonkers mildly autistic address I think you guys don't understand the calculus for many people $160K seems like a fuckton of money and they'll chance it and can't imagine all the expenses and bullshit that comes with it... I usually burst lawyer dreams by asking my students whether they love grammar and sentence construction and they never do and then I say well lawyering is all about split infinitives and comma placement (this usually comes during an office hours discussion while their paper lies before them bleeding) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010403) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Onyx French Chef that calculus is more understandable for some 21 yo retarded poli sci shithead.
a 26-27yo stem phd should be able to understand the flaw when it is explained to him. |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: Bronze hell organic girlfriend you could tell him to go for one yr and drop out if not in top of class (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010404) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: razzle azn this is not an insane suggestion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010421) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:28 AM Author: Onyx French Chef this idiot obviously doesnt get the concept that he has to be in the top of the class. he's not gonna listen to that either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34010469) |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: big dopamine stage Biglaw score isn't bad at 20%
https://www.lstreports.com/schools/cardozo/
Just make sure you finish in top quarter and you have a shot. Law review is probably a near lock as long as you bid intell |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: Onyx French Chef 80% wont finish in the top 20%.
50/50 chance |
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Date: August 17th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: Narrow-minded Set I'm worse, I got in on my lawl school's prospective students alumni interviews and I tell every single one to run far far away. As far as I know, not a single one has listened. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#34011812) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:20 PM Author: Onyx French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#35509805) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: fantasy-prone 180 cuckold How were his first semester grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#35509854) |
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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:38 PM Author: Onyx French Chef dunno. curious to see what summer job he ends up with as a 2l (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#35509901) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:30 PM Author: Onyx French Chef Update: ran into him. He got a 2L summer gig at a well known up boutique. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#37008679) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Startling location inshallah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#37008698) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 1:33 PM Author: Crimson rehab jew Debt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#37008702) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Onyx French Chef Full debt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#37009063) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 2:55 PM Author: Crimson rehab jew Rich parents, or copping dat paye? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#37009412) |
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Date: October 12th, 2018 3:03 PM Author: Onyx French Chef i guess he thinks he's gonna maek it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#37009447) |
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Date: August 24th, 2025 10:22 PM Author: i gave my cousin head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3601404&forum_id=2Reputation#49210207) |