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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
Exciting obsidian cumskin
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
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  06/15/18
As I understand it.
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they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
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  06/15/18
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Martin Skhreli
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
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  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
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  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
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  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
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  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
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  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
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  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Peach bateful goyim
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
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  06/15/18
sounds 180
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  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
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  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
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  06/15/18
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  06/15/18
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yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
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  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
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I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
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  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
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  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
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  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
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  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
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  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
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  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
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They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
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No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
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Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
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  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
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That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
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Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
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  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
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  02/12/21
lol no
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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Electric mother area

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: French theater stage shitlib

As I understand it.

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: salmon trailer park



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: salmon trailer park



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Plum skinny woman brunch

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: Violent pontificating nowag indian lodge

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Martin Skhreli ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Judgmental bistre church ape

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: salmon trailer park



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: hot mad-dog skullcap



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Judgmental bistre church ape

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Sooty titillating senate preventive strike

goes a long way in shaker heights

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Purple nighttime private investor



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: salmon trailer park

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: transparent provocative boiling water gay wizard

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: domesticated old irish cottage pit

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Peach bateful goyim

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Plum skinny woman brunch

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Judgmental bistre church ape

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Purple nighttime private investor



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: hot mad-dog skullcap



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: cerebral love of her life messiness

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: salmon trailer park



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: French theater stage shitlib



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: hot mad-dog skullcap



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: hot mad-dog skullcap

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Peach bateful goyim



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: navy newt fanboi



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: hot mad-dog skullcap



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: navy newt fanboi



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Copper Bat-shit-crazy Stage Multi-billionaire

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: mauve doctorate

p depressing news going into the weekend

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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin

Eat my dick nigger lover

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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: mauve doctorate

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin

Explain

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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: navy newt fanboi



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: pearl concupiscible really tough guy

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: Histrionic Ultramarine Nursing Home

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: snowy university twinkling uncleanness



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: hot mad-dog skullcap



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: nudist theatre double fault

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Adventurous Home

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Trip masturbator brethren

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Trip masturbator brethren

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Abusive olive yarmulke locus

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: snowy university twinkling uncleanness



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: nudist theatre double fault

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Abusive olive yarmulke locus

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: green vivacious rehab milk

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Abusive olive yarmulke locus

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: green vivacious rehab milk

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Adventurous Home

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Deranged address new version

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: citrine abode famous landscape painting

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: blue misunderstood idea he suggested



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: saffron stirring range cuck

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Reputation#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: Exciting obsidian cumskin



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