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Merz says Iran is "humiliating" the US - link

Whether you agree or disagree with this statement, Merz is u...
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no one knows who the fuck "merz" is you reddit tra...
Nighttime pervert
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Definitely a Suez moment. This coupled with the private cred...
Talented maroon state
  04/27/26
It's astounding how wrong you are sometimes.
Vigorous clear mediation
  04/27/26
not sure id assume it was a gaffe instead of very intentiona...
disgusting circlehead public bath
  04/27/26
Whether he meant to say it or not, Germany gains nothing by ...
tripping motley chapel
  04/27/26
Protecting it from what?
Talented maroon state
  04/27/26
Russia
tripping motley chapel
  04/27/26
Russia makes 5 million drones per year. A Yankee armored div...
Talented maroon state
  04/27/26
If you can't get through Ukraine, you certainly can't get th...
tripping motley chapel
  04/27/26
There is nothing behind Ukraine. All the kit NATO has is in ...
Talented maroon state
  04/27/26
Europe would just start buying Ukrainian drones to defend th...
tripping motley chapel
  04/27/26
you don't see dumb meatwave attacks made by prisoners hired ...
disgusting circlehead public bath
  04/27/26
They captured Bakhmut with those tactics.
tripping motley chapel
  04/27/26
There are no “Ukrainian drones.” All production ...
Talented maroon state
  04/27/26
sure, but russia would go through germany like a hot knife t...
Adventurous Death Wish
  04/28/26
It is both intentional and strategic. And if dems sweep it, ...
bronze university
  04/27/26
protecting Donald Trump's feelings may not be the long term ...
disgusting circlehead public bath
  04/27/26
They could invade the Baltics, which would draw Germany into...
tripping motley chapel
  04/27/26
You're overthinking it. He was just stating a fact that's ob...
frisky startled hominid
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Merz then repeated the statement in Arabic, so the schoolchi...
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gaped piazza legend
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Lol a gaffe is an unintended utterance not a multiple paragr...
Bearded Office
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"Europe" hasn't existed for 20 years. Oh, a pro-Mu...
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disgusting circlehead public bath
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lol at America being morally depraved compared to Western Eu...
effete forum patrolman
  04/28/26
He's right, Euros are tired of tolerating stupid Amerishits....
lilac frum spot doctorate
  04/27/26
(ululates)
gaped piazza legend
  04/27/26
you mean Fred Merz from I Love Lucy?
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here in Brussels, American foreign policy is openly scoffed ...
Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo
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I think Europe needs to be much more worried about its own b...
gaped piazza legend
  04/27/26
reputation matters-- America's joke status allows competitor...
Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo
  04/27/26
Europe is a joke and poor. It is not prestigious. The only p...
gaped piazza legend
  04/27/26
America is the Rodney Dangerfield member of the most exclusi...
Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo
  04/27/26
which would make euros ted knight, a yosemite sam buffoon co...
boltzmann penis
  04/30/26
Europe is being written off. What do they offer investors in...
Vigorous clear mediation
  04/27/26
Europe leads by civic nationalism which brings peace and pro...
Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo
  04/27/26
you cannot possibly be this stupid and deluded irl
gaped piazza legend
  04/27/26
u r a dumbshit illiterate so stay away from Europe, seriousl...
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I bet you a billion dollars I speak more European languages ...
gaped piazza legend
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(eurotrash/slav) I have supped with royals while ur parents ...
Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo
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Jetzt sag es auf Deutsch ou dis-le en français o dime...
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nigga please, u wear ur ignorance like a badge of honor-- no...
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so you can't, can you lol @ u
gaped piazza legend
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your self puffing on this board is truly hilarious, while Am...
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Which is bankrolled by the American taxpayer. Not having ...
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This continent of unintelligent pygmies will not understand ...
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The COL is very envious, I concede that. Particularly to nei...
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"Merz is usually smart enough not to say something like...
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There are still enough in the administration and institution...
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dems, indies, and never-trumpers are the reason why we'd res...
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That's the day-after interpretation from Germany. Merz's pol...
tripping motley chapel
  04/28/26
just an INSANE thing to say. iran/hormuz has revealed how r...
Adventurous Death Wish
  04/28/26
Is this a troll? Iran/Hormuz has revealed how vulnerable Eur...
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  04/28/26
in your mind how does germany currently defend herself? or s...
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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:20 AM
Author: tripping motley chapel

Whether you agree or disagree with this statement, Merz is usually smart enough not to say something like this about a nation Germany relies on for its defense. One of the worst verbal gaffes I can recall from him.

https://www.dw.com/en/merz-says-us-humiliated-lacks-strategy-in-iran-conflict/a-76952959

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846320)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:25 AM
Author: canary exciting library wagecucks

go back to reddit you pedo tranny faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846337)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:29 PM
Author: Olive casino travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846663)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:20 AM
Author: Nighttime pervert

no one knows who the fuck "merz" is you reddit tranny freak

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846321)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:22 AM
Author: Talented maroon state

Definitely a Suez moment. This coupled with the private credit genocide going on in SaaS plays is going to fuck the entire economy for a decade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846327)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:52 PM
Author: Vigorous clear mediation

It's astounding how wrong you are sometimes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846690)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:29 AM
Author: disgusting circlehead public bath

not sure id assume it was a gaffe instead of very intentional

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846347)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:34 AM
Author: tripping motley chapel

Whether he meant to say it or not, Germany gains nothing by virtue of him saying it and could potentially lose a US armored division protecting it. Or more, given Trump's temperment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846355)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:36 AM
Author: Talented maroon state

Protecting it from what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846356)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:37 AM
Author: tripping motley chapel

Russia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846360)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:39 AM
Author: Talented maroon state

Russia makes 5 million drones per year. A Yankee armored division would live for about a week. We can’t do Iran. We have less than zero hope against Russia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846365)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:40 AM
Author: tripping motley chapel

If you can't get through Ukraine, you certainly can't get through Poland.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846368)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:49 AM
Author: Talented maroon state

There is nothing behind Ukraine. All the kit NATO has is in Ukraine and being burned there. Europe literally has no artillery left on the entire continent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846399)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:58 AM
Author: tripping motley chapel

Europe would just start buying Ukrainian drones to defend themselves instead of Ukraine. Besides, most of the Russian men of military age who want to fight are dead. You don't see the kind of fanatical attacks that Wagner Group made on Bakhmut anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846427)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:11 AM
Author: disgusting circlehead public bath

you don't see dumb meatwave attacks made by prisoners hired by a defunct paramilitary company anymore -- here's why that's bad for Russia



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846470)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:15 AM
Author: tripping motley chapel

They captured Bakhmut with those tactics.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846481)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:21 AM
Author: Talented maroon state

There are no “Ukrainian drones.” All production is in NATO countries in factories the majority of which are American owned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846501)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 8:54 AM
Author: Adventurous Death Wish

sure, but russia would go through germany like a hot knife through butter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49848580)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:46 AM
Author: bronze university

It is both intentional and strategic. And if dems sweep it, he will keep his ameican supoort and gain some. Alliances are no longer national, they are idealogical.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846383)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:50 AM
Author: disgusting circlehead public bath

protecting Donald Trump's feelings may not be the long term top priority for every other leader in the world.

also no one with an IQ over 60 actually believes Russia is going to invade Germany.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846413)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:56 AM
Author: tripping motley chapel

They could invade the Baltics, which would draw Germany into the war. The US presence in Europe deters that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846425)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 3:47 PM
Author: frisky startled hominid

You're overthinking it. He was just stating a fact that's obvious to everyone outside of the U.S. (and a lot of us here too)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49847175)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:03 AM
Author: Cracking lemon preventive strike

Merz then repeated the statement in Arabic, so the schoolchildren in attendance could understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846438)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:07 AM
Author: pungent scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846451)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:09 AM
Author: gaped piazza legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846463)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:04 AM
Author: Bearded Office

Lol a gaffe is an unintended utterance not a multiple paragraph screed and justification for the statement

It was 100% intended and he’s completely right of course. Europe is discovering that this kiked out America isn’t a reliable ally on top of being clearly morally depraved

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846439)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:10 AM
Author: Cracking lemon preventive strike

"Europe" hasn't existed for 20 years. Oh, a pro-Muslim statement from the Caliphate's viceroy in Germany, wow!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846467)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:52 PM
Author: Vigorous clear mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846691)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:11 AM
Author: disgusting circlehead public bath



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846472)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 5:13 AM
Author: effete forum patrolman

lol at America being morally depraved compared to Western Europe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49848417)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:08 AM
Author: lilac frum spot doctorate

He's right, Euros are tired of tolerating stupid Amerishits. Just think of how they feel: supposedely you are the same Euro DNA but US Birdshits are inferior in everyway from looks, to body type, to intelligence and behavior. Its just sad sick shit. This Nazi man is TALL, FIT and HANDSOME, he deserves ARE honor and respect unlike fat furk trump

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846456)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:09 AM
Author: gaped piazza legend

(ululates)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846464)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 11:23 AM
Author: cordovan fear-inspiring genital piercing kitchen

you mean Fred Merz from I Love Lucy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846510)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:06 PM
Author: Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo

here in Brussels, American foreign policy is openly scoffed at-- 47 needs to assert dominance or America's brand may never recover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846619)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:10 PM
Author: gaped piazza legend

I think Europe needs to be much more worried about its own brand. To the extent that anybody anywhere in the world sees Europe as anything more than an economically decrepit, dying museum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846632)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:13 PM
Author: Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo

reputation matters-- America's joke status allows competitors like China and Russia to make inroads to the prestigious European market

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846641)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:17 PM
Author: gaped piazza legend

Europe is a joke and poor. It is not prestigious. The only people who don't know this are europoors living in a deluded fantasy land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846650)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:22 PM
Author: Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo

America is the Rodney Dangerfield member of the most exclusive Golf Club in the World

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846658)



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Date: April 30th, 2026 3:47 PM
Author: boltzmann penis

which would make euros ted knight, a yosemite sam buffoon comically unaware their “authority” is meaningless?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49854799)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:55 PM
Author: Vigorous clear mediation

Europe is being written off. What do they offer investors in the future? They're nowhere on AI and automation, they are a sink for defense spending and 50% of global welfare spending is entirely in the EU. Coupled with demographics...what does Europe have to offer anymore? France will literally be majority Muslim by 2050.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846699)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 1:23 PM
Author: Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo

Europe leads by civic nationalism which brings peace and prosperity to their people and QOL which is the envy of the world-- America is a cultural wasteland where people don't trust one another and all civility is lost

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846777)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 1:27 PM
Author: gaped piazza legend

you cannot possibly be this stupid and deluded irl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846784)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 1:28 PM
Author: Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo

u r a dumbshit illiterate so stay away from Europe, seriously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846785)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 1:34 PM
Author: gaped piazza legend

I bet you a billion dollars I speak more European languages fluently than you and have spent much more time living in Europe than you have. You are a retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846797)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:03 PM
Author: Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo

(eurotrash/slav) I have supped with royals while ur parents clean toilets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846908)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:09 PM
Author: gaped piazza legend

Jetzt sag es auf Deutsch ou dis-le en français o dimelo en castellano or really any other language, but you can't can you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846929)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:12 PM
Author: Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo

nigga please, u wear ur ignorance like a badge of honor-- nothing about u is refined or civilized -but u do u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846937)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 7:46 PM
Author: gaped piazza legend

so you can't, can you

lol @ u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49847652)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 8:58 AM
Author: Electric Orchestra Pit Water Buffalo

your self puffing on this board is truly hilarious, while America's majestic world standing falls into ignominy -- it's clear your ilk is influencing this administration on foreign policy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49848591)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 1:31 PM
Author: pea-brained 180 whorehouse friendly grandma

Which is bankrolled by the American taxpayer.

Not having to spend on defense and hiding behind Poles, Ukrainians, and Baltics allows for some pretty shortsighted budgeting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846788)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 1:35 PM
Author: gaped piazza legend

This continent of unintelligent pygmies will not understand this until it is too late. Or even after it is too late.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846804)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: Vigorous clear mediation

The COL is very envious, I concede that. Particularly to neighbors in the south.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49847108)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 12:40 PM
Author: fragrant maniacal crackhouse candlestick maker

"Merz is usually smart enough not to say something like this about a nation Germany relies on for its defense."

Rely on Donald Trump to come to the EU's rescue? lol. Trump and Vance and many in the admin are pro-Russia and anti-EU.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846684)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 1:33 PM
Author: pea-brained 180 whorehouse friendly grandma

There are still enough in the administration and institutional momentum left that if Russia was legitimately threatening central Europe, the US would have to respond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846795)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 10:10 AM
Author: fragrant maniacal crackhouse candlestick maker

dems, indies, and never-trumpers are the reason why we'd respond and they hate trump and vance and don't mind if they get embarrassed by Merz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49848661)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:05 PM
Author: Ungodly telephone indian lodge

that's trump's fetish. he loves to see girthy persian cock stretch melania out. similarly, he loves seeing the irgc push americans forces to their limits. he loves to hide the results though!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846917)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:10 PM
Author: mind-boggling box office

I think this signals that Europe no longer feels it needs to appease Trump. Everyone knows Trump is a vindictive egomaniac. There's no way Merz would mistakenly make that comment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49846930)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 10:05 AM
Author: tripping motley chapel

That's the day-after interpretation from Germany. Merz's poll numbers are rock bottom, and the most reliable cure for that among European politicians has proven to be confronting Trump. Has helped Starmer's poll numbers a good bit. Of course, Trump could pull our troops from Germany in retaliation, but that's apparently a risk Merz is willing to take.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49848653)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 8:55 AM
Author: Adventurous Death Wish

just an INSANE thing to say. iran/hormuz has revealed how reliant european energy is on the pax americana, on how important america is to protecting their way of life. and instead of appreciating it, they lecture us and talk shit about our many deficiencies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49848581)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 9:55 AM
Author: disgusting circlehead public bath

Is this a troll? Iran/Hormuz has revealed how vulnerable Europe is to America's erratic policy decisions, and any reasonable country would be looking to seek alternative stable relationships



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49848643)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 7:56 PM
Author: Kenneth Play (emotional girth)

in your mind how does germany currently defend herself? or secure reasonably priced oil? what stops russia from invading? the answer is usa in all 3 cases. and what do we get for it? lectures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49849724)



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Date: April 28th, 2026 8:13 PM
Author: peeface

it could secure reasonably priced oil from the east or the south if not tied to American foreign policy. in fact i believe they spent years building a major new pipeline recently for that purpose that the US helped to blow up.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860980&forum_id=2id.#49849751)