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The idea that aborigines rafting to Australia is a Joke
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Date: April 25th, 2026 2:57 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster The genetic divergence data has pushed the supposed "dispersal event" back to a minimum of 70K years and it only gets deeper every time they rerun the data. And when the British showed up they literally had zero seafaring knowledge or tech. They didn't even have bow and arrows. And that was what like 250 years ago? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842239) |
Date: April 25th, 2026 3:00 PM Author: khaki titillating home shitlib They had boomerangs, which in a way are more impressive than bows and arrows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842245) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:01 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster Who cares. They didn't sail there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842250) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:06 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button Aboriginal peoples have been in The Americas and Australia for much, much longer than accepted models believe. Tens of thousands of years at least (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842259) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:15 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster I don't think aborigines had to arrive in Australia I think it happened by vicariance/continental separation so they were always in Australia as long as it was a continent. It's just much more likely than sailing they didn't have the knowledge or tech for that and it just reads like a concocted just-so story to avoid questioning any of the other ttt models. I think basically it gets hoisted onto biogeography and anthropology by the fields with more hard physical constraints in their models that are afraid to admit they are wrong. Continental modeling is extremely ttt nonsense constructed by boomers without computers in the 60s and 70s. Anyone working close to the data probably knows it, but is too afraid to get called a crank or ruin their career or whatever. IDK about native americans but if those white sands footptints in NM get confirmed then it sets the date back to at least the last glacial maxim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842284) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:18 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button The part about always being there is my actual take as well (Americas and Australia alike). I'm not knowledgeable enough about continental drift to have an opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are occasional events involving substantially more movement than the norm that could account for much faster drift and/or substantially different drift relative to the models
Also, these people were advanced enough to live in relative harmony with their biosphere. I think that helps explain the difficulty in finding super old evidence of civilization |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:26 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster The models themselves have this quality of being globally underdetermined and locally overdetermined. Every joint is tight but the building is sitting on nothing. The internal kinematic framework and math is impeccable, but the entire thing is basically free-floating. You know how plates moved relative to each other reasonably well for recent periods because the seafloor spreading record is preserved. But absolute positions where everything actually was in geographic space require a reference frame, and the reference frames available are all model-dependent in ways that compound backward through time. You can have impeccable internal mathematics and it ultimately doesn't matter if its just floating above a physical reality it's connected to much more loosely than it appears (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842321) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 6:28 PM Author: aromatic theater You guys might be onto something that the so-called "experts" haven't considered. Perhaps the abos arrived there 30 million years ago, before Australia separated from Gondwana. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842786) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 7:21 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster (55 IQ take)
Would love to see you make a substantive argument but you never will because redditors like you know deep down that you have no argument outside of dismissal labels and ad-homienms and related low-iq drivel |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 7:28 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button Oh gee, I guess we should just stop speculating about anything and let convention and NPCs dictate every thought. How foolish we are!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842924) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 7:32 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster He doesn't know what he is actually responding to or what "underdetermination" really means. This is someone who has such a low iq that they can't actually conceive of how astronomical a search space is being traversed to try to assemble a model like this even with hard constraints and a reasonable amount of accurate physical data (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842931) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 7:47 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button It was hard to even respond to such low-level, zero calorie cattiness
If you actually apply the point of the post to real life, there'd be nothing to talk about even when just shooting the shit
Worse, if applied to actual human endeavor, there'd be no convention-bucking breakthroughs. It's just retarded nonsense
I'm sure this poster has NEVER had a thought, or tried to argue in favor of an idea, not in law and economics or parenting or druggy relapse theory, that bucks convention |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 10:43 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster It's just what extreme low iq regimes look like. Once you cross the threshold far below 100 to the point where there isn't a distinction between "really low" and "approaching zero" you get these "minds" that don't really have "thoughts" of their own so its always about deferring to others and acting catty about it. It's a known effect that has been described in the literature. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49843403) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:20 PM Author: yapping psychic it is widely accepted in the not scientific community that aliens flew them over, there is simply no other explanation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842302) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:26 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button What's your take on the lack of sailing technology when the British arrived (I haven't verified this and am just taking it as true)? Did society have a rift that saw the seafarers all leave and the remaining people burn the boats and cast out the knowledge of the seas as heretical? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842325) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:36 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster Some of them in certain areas apparently had craft for crossing rivers but nothing for the open ocean. The idea they had it 100K years ago then lost it and never regained it is lulzy flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842358) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:28 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster Might actually be more likely than the idea that they sailed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842335) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:29 PM Author: Very tactful dashing reading party boistinker Sea levels were considerably lower when they arrived and there were land bridges and islands available then that don’t exist now. Even some shit for brains abos could have island hopped using bamboo rafts. It’s not like they were building large ships and going directly from SE asia to Australia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842336) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:31 PM Author: Appetizing plaza mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842346) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:34 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster Yeah I don't think they could have made it with the routes available with the standard models even with the molecular clock dates pushed back to at least 75K years. Even granting the land reconstructions are kind-of right all you need are small errors in the phylogenetic dates and the geologic dates and you can end up with them getting over on a land bridge and then getting stuck there. They didn't know how to build rafts or sail at all even like 200 years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842353) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:50 PM Author: Very tactful dashing reading party boistinker The water was too deep for there to be a land bridges regardless of timing. I also don’t find it convincing they weren’t seafarers because they weren’t when they were found. Cultures don’t retain knowledge necessarily if it’s not used for an extended period and modern abos seem legitimately retarded compared to every other group in asia, so there was likely substantial genetic divergence in those tens of thousands of years. The people who found australia were likely reasonably competent and then slowly declined into a subhuman mud race incapable of real cognition, planning or technological development. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842406) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 4:01 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster I think the deep water separation part is the hardest to overturn, but it isn't fatal. Paleogeographic models aren't direct observations. They are inverse models built from limited physical data. They can absolutely be wrong. You might not be able to even see the relevant route because it might now be underwater. A model based only on current islands can badly misrepresent the operational landscape available at low sea level. For instance for Wallacea and Northern Sahul the relevant archaeological record may be on submerged shelves. So for instance you can think of a different landing route where entered the New Guinea side of Sahul or an exposed northern Sahul shelf then moved overland.
Even if that isn't enough I don't care at that point you just need to re-look at the standard story of how wallacean separation even happened. The just-so story about ancient hominids sailing is just laziness and should never be accepted.
The "declined into a mudrace" part I think is actually almost the opposite of what happened. Groups that had no ability to raft or sail and got stranded on islands like the sentinelese and indigenous australians and melenesians IMO represent more like fossilized records of what ancient hominids looked like back then. |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:57 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button I was bored and looked into it according to current knowledge and models. At the height of the last ice age, there would have been a lot more access and many more islands within visual range of one another. But there still would have been substantial open-ocean travel required. Hard to see why they would do that on rafts (or have much of any success with populations sufficient to sustain for tens of thousands of years) unless there was a cataclysm that forced them to flee into the ocean in vast numbers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842422) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 6:29 PM Author: aromatic theater (guy who probably believes in "global warming" hypothesis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842790) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:32 PM Author: Maroon Hall Idiot Retards with death wishes sail the oceans on tiny sailing boats even now. Those things are not really any more survivable than a stone age raft. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842349) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 3:40 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster lol at the idea indigenous australians were building sea-faring rafts 100K years ago that are as survivable as modern sailboats and using them to island hop and not only that were able to actually start a founding pop from it. There is zero evidence for it and something like that should require extraordinary evidence. The only evidence for it is assuming dispersal is actually a problem to begin with, and its only a problem if you are set in believing some ttt continental drift model boomers cooked up in the 70s actually accurately explains the state of the continents 100K years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842362) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 4:08 PM Author: primrose legend the british didnt have seafaring skills for thousands of years while pajeets were CHILLING sailing their 40yo sailboats all over SE asia and the indian ocean (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842457) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 4:15 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button Sorry, it was the Polynesians who were heroic seafarers while Indians lazed about and looked in wonder at the white man's vimana (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842470) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 4:22 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster Polynesians were legit expert sailers with real seafaring tech, but the idea they sailed to hawaii is another lulzy lazy flame. The chances this happened are literally 0. I can't believe people were actually low iq enough to buy it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842483) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 4:38 PM Author: primrose legend indians thousands of years ago were sailing all over SE ASIA spreading buddhism and hinduism, its quite insane. its sad u are a birdshit and too stupid to read abt this, they also went all over indian ocean to mideast and rome and east africa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842502) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 4:56 PM Author: apoplectic idiotic electric furnace foreskin we wuz captains
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Date: April 25th, 2026 4:58 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button You just responded seriously to a post talking about "the white man's vimana" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842543) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 5:49 PM Author: primrose legend rofl this boart is so turd they are using discrete turd terms
“Vimana” is originally a term from ancient Indian texts (like the **Mahabharata** and **Ramayana**) that refers to **flying chariots or aerial vehicles** used by gods or heroes.
In modern internet slang, people sometimes jokingly use:
* “vimana” = ancient flying machine / UFO-like craft
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So when someone says:
> “the white man’s vimana”
they’re usually being sarcastic or ironic, meaning:
* “this is like a Western version of some advanced/futuristic flying thing” * or comparing a modern aircraft/drone/tech to mythical flying machines
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# 💡 Translation of the vibe
It’s basically:
* part meme * part cultural comparison * often slightly edgy / ironic tone
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If you show me the exact image or context you saw it in, I can tell you exactly what they were referring to (sometimes it’s a specific plane, drone, or even a joke about UFOs).
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Date: April 25th, 2026 5:53 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster Discrete? Also I think its funny you had to ask an llm what it meant despite being TURD (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842709) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 7:03 PM Author: yapping psychic sea faring rapists with woodedn pipes, and juice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842878) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 7:31 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button Tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842929) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 6:22 PM Author: Motley church building They started there. “Out of Africa” is lib bullshit and no one of interest takes it seriously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842776) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 7:35 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster Yeah well obviously. Noone with an IQ above the 30s to 40s range believes "out of Africa" at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842938) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 8:01 PM Author: Fantasy-prone laughsome factory reset button I mean, you estimated a 55 IQ for the retard above who unironically argued for convention while referencing continental drift theory (a relatively recent theory that itself flew in the face of expert opinion and convention)... you might be grading a little harshly here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49842982) |
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Date: April 25th, 2026 10:48 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle frum toaster The problem with OOA is that phylogenetic origin gets conflated with dispersal narrative. It's trivially true that Great Apes are from Africa and that the earliest homo fossils cluster in Africa. Doesn't follow that the rest of the model is correct or even close. The fact that great apes are from Africa and that you find early hominid fossils there doesnt mean shit if by the time they were "modern humans" by any reasonable definition you can't point to a single African origin. Neanderthal introgression alone already kills a strong OOA model because by the time they were "neandrathal" and not some other ape they were already in Europe for like 800K years and then they introgressed with putative "modern humans" which already makes Europeans "not from Africa" in any honest sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5860449&forum_id=2most#49843425) |