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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Seedy school cafeteria
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just walk outside bro
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on ju...
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teen black death survivors were the original Boomers
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i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf ...
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
domesticated pozpig
  07/01/25
really depended on the country, the region, and the lord re...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Seedy school cafeteria

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49105012)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49117359)



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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
Author: Rambunctious field useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49128622)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49141968)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49143857)



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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49156580)



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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49172980)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421817)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421862)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421881)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49422254)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49424474)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49425035)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49425543)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49427654)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Supple nibblets

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Blue volcanic crater

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Supple nibblets

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Blue volcanic crater

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Supple nibblets

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Know-it-all Stage Hominid

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Bronze pocket flask area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: greedy space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: free-loading tanning salon doctorate

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Yellow twinkling uncleanness

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: violent becky

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Beady-eyed Know-it-all Stage Hominid

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: sadistic legend theater stage

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: domesticated pozpig

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: milky flatulent azn

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK


It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421865)