prole tell - not hitting ur 401k max?
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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:46 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
Prole tell: not being able to benefit from the $23k tax deduction
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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
that's $8.5k of federal tax saved right there
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49257405) |
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Date: September 11th, 2025 10:31 PM Author: Are you dumb, stupid, or dumb, huh?
They are in that gains are already lower by the percentage the original principal was taxed. So if returns were 10% with no tax, you could make $100, invest it for $10 return. With all income taxed 20%, you pay $20 on the $100, invest $80 for $8 return, which is already 20% less return than you had with no tax, and then pay another $1.60 in tax on the $8, leaving you with $6.40, being 36% less return compared to no tax even with only a 20% rate.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49258437) |
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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:16 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
deferred is saved, champ. haven't you ever heard of discount rates
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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:51 PM Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
I was being hyperbolic. But it's a close call and down to one's specific situation:
1. Liquidity & Flexibility
401(k) funds are locked up until age 59½ (barring exceptions like hardship withdrawals, loans, or penalties).
Taxable brokerage accounts or other vehicles give you instant access to your money for opportunities (business, real estate, unexpected expenses).
Greater flexibility allows you to adjust investment strategies over time without restrictions on timing or withdrawals.
2. Tax Diversification
401(k) contributions defer taxes, but all withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income—potentially at higher rates in retirement.
Non-qualified accounts (regular brokerage) get capital gains treatment (often 0%, 15%, or 20%) instead of income tax rates (which may be 22–37%).
Building both pre-tax and after-tax investment pools gives you more control over your tax bill in retirement.
3. Investment Options & Costs
401(k) plans often have limited menus of mutual funds with potentially high expense ratios.
A taxable brokerage account gives access to the full universe of ETFs, stocks, bonds, REITs, etc., often with much lower costs.
Better options = potentially higher after-fee returns over decades.
4. RMDs & Tax Burden in Retirement
Traditional 401(k)s require Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) starting at age 73.
This can force large taxable withdrawals you may not need, pushing you into higher brackets.
Taxable accounts have no forced distributions—you control what you sell and when.
5. Estate Planning & Step-Up in Basis
401(k)/IRA assets passed to heirs are fully taxable as ordinary income when withdrawn.
Taxable brokerage assets generally get a step-up in basis at death, erasing capital gains and making them more inheritance-friendly.
6. Capital Loss Harvesting
In taxable accounts, you can harvest capital losses to offset gains or up to $3,000 of ordinary income annually.
This is not possible inside a 401(k).
7. Changing Tax Landscape
Today’s tax brackets are historically low. If rates rise, being “all-in” on deferred taxes via 401(k) could be risky.
Having outside investments diversifies against future tax law risk.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49257421) |
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Date: September 11th, 2025 6:59 PM Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
Yeah.
For the average random person, they should probably 401k max.
But if your 401k is just going to be something like 10% of your assets at retirement (even assuming you max it), you're fairly likley to be in the category of people where you may be better off having the liquidity now.
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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:17 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
wtf do i need more liquidity now for if my 401k is a tiny pink share of my assets
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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:20 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
you're talking about $13k available to invest
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49258082) |
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Date: September 12th, 2025 9:46 AM Author: A certain chill type of heteroflexible sexuality
The ignores a few important points. Your 401(k) money is deferred at the marginal rate but taxed on withdrawal at the effective rate. That's a huge bonus for those who don't expect significant taxable income in retirement.
In addition, if you have Roth IRAs, you can diversify the tax uncertainty issue. Some people are lucky to have Roth 401(k)s that make the tax diversification even easier.
I appreciate the chat GPT slop you posted but it's really not a close call at all. You should always be preferring 401(k) over a taxable account unless the liquidity issue is a big problem for you (which should only really matter at lower income levels or when you're starting out in your career)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49259406)
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Date: September 12th, 2025 2:22 PM Author: Jane Goodall of Asian Pussy
You've convinced me.
I was largely just rationalizing my choice to only do 401k up to employer match --
which is, in reality, just because when I buy my next home I will not be selling my current home, and will not be selling my crypto, and I want to keep $200k+ liquid following the purchase-- so I'm currently still stacking the ~$625,000 for the expected 20% nonpayment.
Once I get up to ~$825k liquid (excluding crypto), I'll start maxing our 401k again.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49260680) |
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Date: September 11th, 2025 9:12 PM Author: Madison Avenue Lemming Enslaved to Conformity
Most but not all
The total 401k limit for 2025 is 70K, which includes a max employee contribution of 23.5. So your employer can match up to 46.5K.
I get a 6% match with no cap. It's 180.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49258050) |
Date: September 11th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
Major
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49257391) |
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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:00 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
huge prole tell is if 23k affects your QOL such that you need 23k now to live better.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49257464)
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Date: September 11th, 2025 7:21 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:.,:,..,..,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,
it's not even an extra $23k. it's more like an extra $13k or something after taxes
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49257579) |
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Date: September 11th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,
ofs
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5772770&forum_id=2most#49258518) |
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