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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Razzle-dazzle lilac sanctuary
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just walk outside bro
umber effete hell
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
bistre sound barrier
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
Dead Sandwich
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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  07/13/25
what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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  11/11/25
it was a nanny state.
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle lilac sanctuary

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: umber effete hell

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: umber effete hell

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48997575)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49064860)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49070377)



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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49098591)



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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Dead Sandwich

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: bistre sound barrier

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Dead Sandwich

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: bistre sound barrier

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Dead Sandwich

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: excitant mustard institution dingle berry

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Ungodly spot philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: Razzle judgmental school cafeteria volcanic crater

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Cerebral orchid jap

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: lascivious hospital

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: excitant mustard institution dingle berry

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: lavender apoplectic theater cuckold

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: Spectacular cruel-hearted bawdyhouse

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: outnumbered theatre turdskin

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Ruddy vibrant senate selfie

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: barnabyjones

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2most#49458174)