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Date: November 15th, 2025 3:52 PM Author: Coral motley dragon taking abuse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433556) |
Date: November 15th, 2025 3:57 PM Author: primrose haunted graveyard office wow, you’re the last poster I expected to do this
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:25 PM Author: Coral motley dragon I was totally enthralled by the self driving feature. I LOL'd constantly while tooling around in it. Every year I do a 4500 mile round trip drive with a bunch of stuff, and it gets really tiresome. The Tesla self driving feature is 180. I drove the demonstrator first for about 40 miles in the daytime, then 75 miles in all kinds of heavy highway and city traffic at night without ever touching the brakes, steering wheel, or accelerator. It's also a very nice driving vehicle when you hand drive it. The electric part is more of a bug than a feature, but there isn't any other vehicle that comes close to this thing. The entire tech package is really well done. Wife loves it and enthusiastically endorsed it. I totally LOL'd at the fact that it has grok built in and you can talk about stuff as you boogie down the road. Plus, libs hate Musk, so that's another plus. An anecdote: on the way back to the dealership there was a dead cat in the road. The truck very competently moved into the other lane to miss it. I was hoping to see what it did with deer, but they stayed off the road. There were some alongside the road, and I could see that the camera and computer identified them as objects of interest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433851) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:28 PM Author: Gay lascivious theater cr the self driving on teslas is, today, amazing. going on and off the freeway, navigating in traffic and changing lanes, all of it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433862) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:31 PM Author: nighttime gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433875) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:24 PM Author: Coral motley dragon I was particularly impressed by the dead cat dodge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434057) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 7:08 PM Author: nighttime gay wizard 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434167) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 8:00 PM Author: Gay lascivious theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434317) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:10 AM Author: misanthropic filthpig house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49435175) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 6:38 PM Author: Titillating rose dilemma antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49436434) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:35 PM Author: Mind-boggling Poppy Indirect Expression How do you do a Long Trip in an electric truck? Every stop takes how many hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433900) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:06 PM Author: Coral motley dragon According to the Tesla trip planner, my normal 2135 mile drive will require 17 stops and 5.5 hours of charging; however, some charging stops can be overnight at motels with destination chargers. We generally do it in 5 days in order to visit along the way, so 1.1 hours/day on average. Combining charging with lunch/bathroom breaks will increase efficiency, but I'm not in a big hurry any more. It's an adventure. Other than long trips, charging at home is the plan. No idea whether charging will be an irritant. I will find out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434017) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:11 PM Author: wonderful nibblets How does liability work, though? What happens if it can't stop in time for a kid chasing after a ball from behind a parked car into the middle of the road?
Is there an assumption/software TOS that the individual in the driver's seat of a self-driving car is hyper-aware every second of the drive, so any software mistakes come back to the car's owner? |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:18 PM Author: Mind-boggling Poppy Indirect Expression It’s 100% his “fault” if the computer screws up period. Are you a lawyer? Only way he would be able to shift the blame to the OEM is if he convincingly claimed that the steering wheel fought against his input or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434044) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:49 PM Author: wonderful nibblets No, I'm from the once-preftigious college board.
I find it interesting that so many people want self-driving in order to do things other than pay attention to the road, but I never hear anyone worried about liability.
I figured this was a good place to ask the question. |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 8:12 PM Author: Coral motley dragon I pay attention to the road. The driver assistance features are fatigue reducers. ‘way back when I lived in LA I used to see guys reading the paper in their cars on the 405 with no assistance features. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434344) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 9:51 PM Author: wonderful nibblets I'm not so much thinking about people in your... class... in cars (self-driving or not); rather, everyone else.
If self-driving is pushed to a sizable percentage of vehicles, I imagine the majority of the people using them aren't going to pay attention to the road at all.
Regardless of whether they're safer than an average human driver, won't people be up in arms when they're found liable for a third party software's actions? |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:27 AM Author: Coral motley dragon People usually claim they are dindus, so I expect so. Plaintiffs bar will be aiding and abetting it because everybody likes a solvent defendant. Tesla at least tries to make sure you understand the supervised part of the self driving. I notice the police accident reports here now have a section to fill in as to whether automation was being used. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49435194) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:31 PM Author: Mind-boggling Poppy Indirect Expression It's common sense, do you think the prole insurance adjuster who only deals with you over the phone and internet is going to care when you're like "the tesla malfunctioned" lol they'll be like "ok champ it's Your Fault. Accept it." At that point you need a damn good lawyer and will still Lose unless the MSM picks it up or you get CSLG himself.
Btw this is a good idea for olds and black women and drunk proles and stuff. Like if Oldhlsdude has a heart attack it won't crash.
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:34 PM Author: Diverse Mad Cow Disease what does a tesla do if you have a heart attack? do they take an offramp and park if you seem to pass out at the wheel?
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Date: November 17th, 2025 4:44 AM Author: vigorous twisted bbw To be fair,
No one is worried about liability because (don't tell libs this) Tesla's FSD is already *objectively* safer than the vast majority of human drivers -- including even otherwise fine drivers who occasionally get distracted and momentarily become shitty drivers from time to time because pick up their phone to text, shout at kids in the backseat, etc.
PS: Right now, Tesla's FSD tech is the worse that it will ever be at any point in the future. It's only going to get continue to get safer and safer from here on out, until things completely flip and it actually becomes socially unacceptable to drive yourself because everyone will recognize that all humans are a menace to everyone else on the road compared to the FSD alternative. And that shift will happen MUCH more quickly than most people expect -- just like we fully transitioned "lol oh ur on 'the internet' lmao u fucking nerd" to "seven year olds and popular hot girls and random grandmas are all constantly scrolling social media on their smartphones in public 24/7" in under 15 years. |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:23 PM Author: Coral motley dragon Tesla advertises its system as "supervised" full self driving. I don't go to sleep when using it. I pay attention and stay prepared to intervene, as I have no interest in crashing. It's like having a very good first officer, but I am still pilot in command. No doubt some ace lawyers will be trying to shift liability to Tesla, as its pockets are deep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434052) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 9:44 PM Author: Sick lay roast beef Ace lawyers?
We can say Jews here. |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: Trip aquamarine box office stock car LOL! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437783) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 12:02 AM Author: jet heady patrolman absent tesla, you get to blame the kid. don't teslas record everything? probably easier to demonstrate that the accident would have occurred with or without tesla self driving because the kid is at fault |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:15 AM Author: Coral motley dragon Yes, it records stuff. Haven't checked the details yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49435183) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 9:50 PM Author: Frozen Violent Preventive Strike Tesla FSD is truly 180. it's a safer driver than me and dramatically reduces fatigue. having someone drive you around is the ultimate luxury. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434606) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 6:29 PM Author: obsidian whorehouse You have to put a USB drive in the glove box to save the recordings. I think I have mine set so that it saves the recording permanently if it detects an accident but otherwise it records over itself periodically. I have never tried to actually view a saved recording, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49436411) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 4:43 AM Author: vigorous twisted bbw To be fair,
1. B-b-but the MSM and a bunch of really really smart Jews on XO have spent the last few years ASSURING us that Musk's "FSD" tech is just smoke and mirrors, it'll NEVER really work because it doesn't rely on LIDAR (which is totally essential to real FSD), "it's just another one of Elon's scams you idiots," etc etc. Surely you must be mistaken!!!
2. I'm the biggest Musk dicksucker in XO history and even I'm curious why you went with the Cybertruck. It's kind of a weird and gay looking vehicle, IMO. |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 3:59 PM Author: clear weed whacker nursing home boom goes the boomer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433571) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 4:04 PM Author: multi-colored snowy spot personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433578) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:49 PM Author: hyperactive silver tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434115) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle hospital tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49435603) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:37 PM Author: Slimy Piazza 180. Are you planning on getting it wrapped? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433904) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:08 PM Author: Coral motley dragon Not sure. Initially I don't think so, but I might change my mind. I hear Captain America looks good. I am surprised my normally conservative and attention shy wife likes the thing so much. Will she go for a wild wrap? Will I press the limits of good taste? Stay tuned! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434023) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:15 PM Author: nighttime gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434038) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 6:39 PM Author: Titillating rose dilemma antidepressant drug please poast pics if you get it wrapped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49436435) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:49 PM Author: Demanding Mad-dog Skullcap I think part of the reason you did this is that you know it's really boomerific and you did it anyway to poast about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433962) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:50 PM Author: nighttime gay wizard All for the benefit of the GreatBort tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433964) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:11 PM Author: Coral motley dragon You got me there. My current truck is 7 years old, but in great shape. I didn't need a new truck, but advancing age and arthritic knees and spine might driver assitance features attractive. I cross shopped Ford/GM/RAM trucks. RAM was the only viable alternative. Ford has screwed up access by raising the step in height 5 inches and the GM trucks just generally did not drive well and seemed stuck in the past. Bottom line I'll never spend all the money I have anyway, so why the fuck not? I give away more than one Cybertruck equivalent every year, so why not boom a little? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434031) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:12 PM Author: nighttime gay wizard so why not boom a little? tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434033) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 7:58 PM Author: Gay lascivious theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434312) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 11:21 PM Author: nighttime gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434776) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 11:19 PM Author: primrose haunted graveyard office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434767) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 11:21 PM Author: nighttime gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434777) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:33 PM Author: Demanding Mad-dog Skullcap <3 you OldHLS
My old man is booming. He's got a RAM and an Acadia even though my parents decidedly do not need two vehicles. He's talking about selling the family cabin and getting a trailer. |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:55 PM Author: multi-colored snowy spot personal credit line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434131) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 7:08 PM Author: nighttime gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434166) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 8:10 PM Author: Coral motley dragon We have 4 vehicles assuming I can sell the 5th, the F-150. One stays at the winter house, but I’m past the trailer stage. Guess I’m compensating for years of driving beaters and being sneered at by the rich guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434341) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 5:46 PM Author: Demanding Mad-dog Skullcap I'm not knocking having multiple vehicles, it makes sense when someone has more than one place and also when like, your wife drives places and does her own thing sometimes.
My dad is a raging narcissist to the extent that my mom doesn't have anything to herself... they are inseparable to a pretty gross extent considering that they both have their health. She doesn't go anywhere herself, so I really don't think my folks need more than one car.
The trailer thing they are considering is beyond retarded. My mom can hardly stand being in the cabin with my dad, how the fuck do they think having far less square footage is going to fix anything? |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 10:18 AM Author: Coral motley dragon My wife and I each have our own separate lives in addition to being together. Seems to work. We do have to compare calendars a lot, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437650) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: Demanding Mad-dog Skullcap Mom is highly restricted from even using the internet while we are at the cabin. Dad fears she's going to go off and use too much data (even though this has never been an issue in the past and she doesn't really consume much video content on the internet).
She's basically banned from smartphone usage. Dad will periodically turn on a hotspot so she can check facebook on a tablet. |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: jet heady patrolman "Bottom line I'll never spend all the money I have anyway, so why the fuck not?" amen
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:28 PM Author: Diverse Mad Cow Disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49436849) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:58 PM Author: indigo private investor lol fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49433990) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 12:04 AM Author: Dun Resort Hairy Legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434839) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 5:59 PM Author: indigo private investor make sure you know where the emergency release is you don’t want to get cooked alive like these college kids
https://oaklandside.org/2025/03/18/cybertruck-crash-report-says-witness-could-not-open-door-to-save-victims/ |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:14 PM Author: Coral motley dragon The front door manual releases are obvious. I always have my 9mm handy, so I guess I could try to shoot out the windows. Or just do what the guy did in "The Mist." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434035) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: Alcoholic Sex Offender lol you're still maf at elon you retarded tranny fag? I thought you idiots moved on from that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437661) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:04 PM Author: Marvelous pale principal's office are your kids still retarded while you boom away you crusty old faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434009) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:17 PM Author: Coral motley dragon They are not at all retarded. They are very high IQ with other issues. They are well provided for, so you needn't worry.
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Date: November 15th, 2025 8:14 PM Author: swashbuckling mustard crotch Wow you really are just a bitter brown person Huh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434351) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 11:20 PM Author: primrose haunted graveyard office hes one of the shittiest people on xo, and a shitty poster to boot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434774) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: Diverse Mad Cow Disease he's an old lib, but not a shitty poster
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Date: November 17th, 2025 11:06 AM Author: Brindle metal senate you're literally known for contributing nothing but a bunch of retarded feuds and having low IQ opinions even when you actually agree with most of the board. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437779) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 11:08 AM Author: Trip aquamarine box office stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437787) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:24 PM Author: Sapphire Windowlicker How is the size of the interior and rear seat? I've never been in one but I heard they had a fair amount of room so was thinking about getting one to replace a compact SUV as a family car that could also be able to haul a sheet of plywood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434055) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 6:29 PM Author: Coral motley dragon It's roomy, but a bit smaller inside than my F-150 crew cab, but much larger than most cars. Definitely bigger than my Q7. The bed is a bit over 6 feet long and according to the specs is slightly roomier than a Ram short bed with Ramboxes. It feels smaller when driving it. The rear wheel steering gives it a tight turning radius. The less than 1 turn lock to lock variable ratio speed sensitive steering is 180. It feels, dare I say it, sporty. Go to the Tesla dealer and drive one. They are absolutely zero pressure. Best sales experience I've ever had. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434066) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 11:04 AM Author: Unhinged Stead When were considering a Tesla they just gave us one to take home overnight. We bought one the next day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437771) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 10:02 PM Author: obsidian whorehouse Why did you lease instead of buying? Are they going to be cool with you driving to Arizona and back in a leased vehicle? I thought that mileage limits were one of the big down sides of leasing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434620) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 10:04 PM Author: wonderful nibblets Perhaps some actuarial considerations? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434626) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 11:57 AM Author: Coral motley dragon The lease has a high residual and involves a built in $6500 credit. In addition to the possible cost advantage (I didn't even consider buying), and given the uncertainty of depreciation and used car liquidity on these things I picked leasing. I also like the convenience of just being able to give it back and either get another one or not. It's roughly the same list price as my Q7 and the lease payment is 2/3 of the Audi, and I got a hefty discount on the Audi. The lease is for 10,000 miles/year. We have 4 cars between the two of us, so I most likely will not hit 10,000 even with the trips to AZ. Once we get there we don't drive that much except maybe for a couple of trips to LA. Also, we have another car there. My previous truck is 7 years old and has 30,000 miles, and it has made the trip to AZ every year except one. The Tesla is more usable as a daily driver, so it may get a little more mileage. If I go over I'll just pay the overage. If it turns out to be golden as a used car I can buy it out, but the residual is so high at about 70% I doubt that will happen. I don't think the trucks are selling that well. They had some in immediate inventory and several demonstrators available for purchase. Edit: Lease APR is 4%. Same as my return on spare cash. Wash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49435468) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 10:19 PM Author: Gaped digit ratio home 180 fuck libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434649) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 11:21 PM Author: primrose haunted graveyard office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434778) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 11:03 AM Author: Unhinged Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437768) |
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Date: November 15th, 2025 11:27 PM Author: pearly yapping garrison sneaky criminal congrats. enjoy it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434786) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 12:02 AM Author: primrose haunted graveyard office does the CT really have “biohazard mode?”
https://x.com/manhattva/status/1989920604779376799 |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:30 AM Author: Coral motley dragon I understand that's the case but I didn't check it yet. Picking it up tomorrow. I have read there is also a wade mode for driving through water. It pressurizes the battery compartment and raises itself up. Need to verify that also. The self driving feature has modes: chill, standard, hurry, and Mad Max. I suspect there are Easter eggs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49435199) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 10:36 AM Author: primrose haunted graveyard office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49435303) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:17 PM Author: Coral motley dragon Yes. It's a real thing, along with wade mode which pressurizes the battery compartment and raises the vehicle. It takes 10 minutes to transition and is not supposed to be used for more than 30 minutes. Enables driving through up to 32 inches of water. When you have computers controlling every possible aspect of the vehicle, just about anything you imagine can be implemented with some code. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49436825) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 4:29 AM Author: primrose haunted graveyard office 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437270) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 10:24 AM Author: Gaped digit ratio home Pretty much all Teslas have biohazard mode. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437664) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 10:28 AM Author: primrose haunted graveyard office must be very handy in India (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437673) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 11:46 AM Author: Unhinged Stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49437918) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 12:04 AM Author: Medicated shrine The self driving is too good. I keep dozing off lately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49434837) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: Trip aquamarine box office stock car I want a tesla for the same reason: FSD. I don't want to have to drive myself to work anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5798517&forum_id=2most#49438694) |