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~~~ Shortporch Murder Trial Closing Arguments ~~~
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Date: October 10th, 2019 8:44 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcJfh8ntaXI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956554) |
Date: October 10th, 2019 8:47 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate State: *points at exhibits* lol, they killers
Garcia: Luis Rivera is a violent druglord gang king. Charlie Adelson bought drugs from someone, probably Luis Rivera. Garcia was ancillary to everything. This was either some Latin Kings murder or Charlie solicited Rivera to do it. All the circumstantial evidence only points to Garcia going along with the ride.
Katie: The only evidence at all that directly ties Katie to the murder is the testimony of Luis Rivera, a man who had every reason to lie to reduce his sentence, and slide all this killing onto the hands of two non-Latin Kings. In hundreds of texts and calls Katie never even obliquely refers to a killing. All her cash was obviously from being a bottle girl in the clubs.
State: lol.
Jury: Guilty, Guilty.
State: *never charges the Adelsons* |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 8:51 AM Author: sienna plaza marketing idea what should i be rooting for here if i want wendy adelson to fry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956569) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 8:54 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate Guilty verdicts on all counts, especially for Katie, who decides to flip on Charlie and somehow inculpates Wendi. "Oh yeah the sister knew, she was at some of our meetings."
However, Katie testified yesterday the opposite, so Wendi's impressive lawyer (John Lauro I think his name is), would likely have a field day impeaching her "new" testimony. Basically, Katie's testimony buttfucked her chances of being able to flip.
Im sad to say, I think Wendi skates. |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 8:55 AM Author: sienna plaza marketing idea god DAMN america, north korean style justice NOW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956583) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:08 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate I think best case scenario is you arrest Wendi, hold her without bail for a couple of years until the trial, and probably lose it.
But she loses custody of the kids, loses her bar license, and the reputation follows her |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:33 PM Author: vigorous slap-happy voyeur unfortunately I think we don't want wendi to fry because of the children. instead, we want DP for Charlie. either way the kids are fucked mentally as they will know there uncle hired a hitman to kill they're dad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958449) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:11 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate Think jury will start deliberating late afternoon. They will be sequestered tonight, so I imagine they will want to get home by Friday night. My prediction: verdict Friday around 7PM
There are a SHIT TON of exhibits that will go back with them to examine |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:12 AM Author: Geriatric swollen site if the FSU faculty doesn't form a mob and lynch the Adelsons than ljl at the "U"SA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956635) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 12:16 PM Author: Ebony razzle-dazzle point athletic conference (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957476) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:13 AM Author: lascivious hell garcia fries. kaddie walks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956637) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:18 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate i keep seeing people spell it "kaddie" on youtube and figured I was just seeing proles prole.
Does this bish really spell her name Kaddie? Lol, death penalty |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:00 AM Author: lascivious hell it is very clearly spelled in the text messages displayed for all to see in the courtroom. Please be more available and attentive in future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956821) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:55 AM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957371) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:28 AM Author: Swashbuckling coldplay fan so these latin kings did it sua sponte rather than for $100K? charlie adelson didn't pay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956684) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:47 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate lolololol Mom Donna emailing Wendi weeks before the murder:
"You just need to put on a good act. You can be a good actor when you want. Ive seen you in action." |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:49 AM Author: Swashbuckling coldplay fan to act good at the upcoming family court hearing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956772) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:53 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate to act like she has found Jesus and will be converting the kids to Christianity. This, to please the WOC family court judge who attends church, and to antagonize Shortporch.
Mom Donna also suggests posting pics on facebook of the boys dressed up "like Hitler Youth".
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:53 AM Author: Swashbuckling coldplay fan that's crazy. because the adelsons weren't religious like shortporch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956787) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:10 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate youtube poster, example of how a typical juror thinks during closing argument:
Justin Parrish ​what if she just ripped a fart
Tim Sullivan ​Justin she would stop to sniff it
A. B.D. ​He would say objection
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:10 AM Author: Swashbuckling coldplay fan the prosecutor or the female hitter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956877) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:12 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate presume that is what they are thinking about the ASA as she's delivering her argument in a death penalty murder 1 case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956883) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:19 AM Author: electric silver property genital piercing "Justin" Joyce Jr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956918) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:26 AM Author: hairraiser tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956953) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:27 AM Author: Swashbuckling coldplay fan shortporch was always talking about criminal law cases and said he was a prof and was jewish and hated his ex wife. then he stopped posting because he was killed dead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956963) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:28 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate he also posted about fsu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956970) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:29 AM Author: Swashbuckling coldplay fan he said it was a ttt, think he envisioned himself at chi or penn or DUke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956975) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:04 AM Author: lascivious hell link to any of this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957151) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:15 AM Author: harsh main people parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957197) |
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Date: August 28th, 2025 4:09 AM Author: tats talk shit get hit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#49218566) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:29 AM Author: mustard sinister dragon hospital I haven't followed any details of the case, but isn't law professors dying generally a good thing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956972) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:33 AM Author: electric silver property genital piercing Shortporch was one of us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38956992) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:34 AM Author: Lilac Knife Karate real talk: case only has traction because murderous ex-wife is hot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957002) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:13 AM Author: harsh main people parlour prosecutor doing Donna's reaction to the planted message from undercover cop. nice argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957192) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:45 AM Author: harsh main people parlour here we goooo!
defense closing.
get in here. |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:46 AM Author: harsh main people parlour he went with metaphor that proseuction is selling a house and as defense attorney he will be the inspector pointing out the problems with the house. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957336) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:57 AM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957378) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:51 AM Author: harsh main people parlour what do you think of his salt and pepper outfit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcJfh8ntaXI
gray to embody doubts and gray areas? |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:58 AM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957385) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 11:59 AM Author: harsh main people parlour yeah, i think that's why he went that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957389) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 12:02 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957401) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 12:06 PM Author: harsh main people parlour ofs. but i do respect his skills and efforts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957422) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 12:11 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957448) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 12:03 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate he's a persian dandy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957403) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 12:15 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957473) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 12:58 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate Garcia's lawyer's closing sucked.
State had a shit ton of evidence, but was monotone and inept at using her slide show, so everyone was sleepy. He could have scored points being snappy and forceful.
He started with a great metaphor: State is trying to sell you this house and Im the inspector, Ill point out all the problems they are covering up.
He never mentioned the analogy again. He should have married himself to that shit. Analogized one theme to the house's foundation (State's zeal to get to Adelsons makes everything suspect), another to the plumbing (Can't trust testimony of flipper, he's full of crap), another to the roof (gang kingpin was supposed to be shooter, why'd it switch for no reason?), etc. Five or six house themes and you're done.
Draw a fucking shitty house on the white board, line by line, point by point.
Close: Ladies and gentleman, on a death penalty case, the government wants you to pay the full price for this house, and there are just too many questions, too many shaky floors, too many doors theyve never opened, kept locked from you. You would not buy this house IRL, don't do it with a man's life. |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:08 PM Author: harsh main people parlour cr analysis. it was a terrific metaphor and one that would have emotional resonance for anyone who has even considered buying a house. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957780) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:51 PM Author: flatulent cerise university famous landscape painting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958522) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:33 PM Author: alcoholic ratface This kind of folksy shit is not my style at all, but I really enjoyed it. gj (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959553) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 8:55 PM Author: Appetizing new version locale if I'm a prole juror, I acquit on this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959915) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:39 PM Author: harsh main people parlour Kaddie's lawyer is kind of boring. Too bad, because she might benefit from a good theory and dynamic presentation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957952) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:42 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957975) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:46 PM Author: harsh main people parlour you have to add variety of emotional tone. or everyone zones out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38957999) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:46 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958006) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 2:41 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate Her lawyer is 20 pts smarter than Garcia's lawyer. Looks like a trustworthy fed or G-man, ken doll hair, strong voice, etc.
But he has one verbal punch and he's delivered it over and over for going on two hours now. Wearying as fuck.
Especially the redundancies with Garcia's defense |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:43 PM Author: Brass Stead Puppy not reading all of this.
so the thugs are going to prison and the Adelsons got away with it? |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:47 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958016) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:51 PM Author: lascivious hell KADY WILL NOT BE CONVICTED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958052) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:55 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958081) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:51 PM Author: lascivious hell (Retard( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959637) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:57 PM Author: harsh main people parlour i say she will.
i'm just not hearing a good reasonable doubt theory from either defendant. |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:58 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958104) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 1:59 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate He read before closings. Like all JIs, they were 120 pages long and the jury stopped listening within the span of 30 seconds.
Parkinson's voice: "If you find Guilty... for Mr. Garcia... I mean Ms. Magbuena... of the Lesser number 3.... here.... on page 7, is it?... page 6..... you move on to the interrogatory.... here.... on page 9....." |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:30 PM Author: Swashbuckling coldplay fan that last sentence literally sums up all of law and yet this is the most exciting the law ever gets. maybe a 20 min scotus hearing on anal sex. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958437) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 5:50 PM Author: Brass Stead Puppy would Kavanaugh have to recuse himself from such hearings given his propensities? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959167) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:53 PM Author: lascivious hell (Retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959647) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:06 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate Juror just interrupted Defense closing to ask judge if they will be out in time for Clemson-FSU game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958363) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:28 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate State rebuttal: "Do murderers have a certain race? A certain sex?" Image on screen behind her morphs from ghetto black guy to jewish woman holding dreidel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958430) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:36 PM Author: harsh main people parlour @ three minutes to go in rebuttal. here we goooo! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958463) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:41 PM Author: harsh main people parlour prosecutor: "don't nail Kaddie just for conspiracy or solicitation." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958477) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:45 PM Author: harsh main people parlour ... and ... back to jury instructions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958492) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:46 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate Few minutes more on JIs, then deliberations.
The jewish juror will try to angle to be foreperson, but the other 11 wont allow it. This will take 15 minutes.
They'll do straw vote, there will be a few NGs just because people like attention, usually women
The men will bear down, but everyone will be kind of excited to go check out the hotel, so no verdict tonight
At least two of the jurors will fuck in the jacuzzi
By tomorrow the men will bear down harder because the FSU game is Saturday, so verdict by dinner |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 4:07 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958600) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 5:48 PM Author: Geriatric swollen site this guy knows Florida juries (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959160) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 8:57 PM Author: Appetizing new version locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959932) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:38 PM Author: alcoholic ratface Eh, fsu-clemson this year's going to be a bigger bloodbath than an Adelson family garage.
Five years ago, though, you'd have an all-female jury (like with Trayvon) b/c all the men would get themselves for-caused. |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:59 PM Author: Startled shrine therapy Yeah FSU fans hate their team right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959685) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 8:17 PM Author: alcoholic ratface North-florida dudes have nothing in common with, and don't like, people from south florida, so when jameis was still there it'd have been "okay so some Miami jew broad killed broad killed her jew lawyer husband? weird I thought it was mostly the spics shooting each other, whadaya know" **goes back to closely watching jimbo fisher's inane press conference and nodding along like he's saying profound shit**
Now they'd rather stare at that skanky flip and fantasize about how simultaneously prudish/bitchy and psychotically filthy that jappy little murderess wendi Adelson would be in bed than watch willie taggart trot out a team that's going to lose 6 games in the fucking ACC, including to places like "Syracuse". |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:53 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate LOL imagine spending three weeks on jury and learning right now you've been an alternate and dont get to deliberate or vote (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958537) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:55 PM Author: Swashbuckling coldplay fan you get to start writing "if i decided..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958542) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 3:57 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate worse, judge ordered alternate he cant do shit or talk to anyone, because he might have to be an alternate AGAIN on death phase (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958554) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 4:04 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958586) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 4:05 PM Author: harsh main people parlour look at defense counsel palling around with prosecutor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38958590) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:18 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959483) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:20 PM Author: harsh main people parlour yeah yeah yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959489) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:21 PM Author: harsh main people parlour mebbe it's just a jury question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959498) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:21 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959500) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:22 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959505) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:23 PM Author: harsh main people parlour Q1: mebbe they bought Sigfredo's theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959507) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:23 PM Author: frum community account pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959510) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:53 PM Author: infuriating theatre What did they ask? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959649) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:57 PM Author: harsh main people parlour something like if you get in a car intending to participate in a robbery but the other person secretly intends to commit murder, is the first person guilty of participating in the murder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959664) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:58 PM Author: infuriating theatre Yikes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959679) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 7:59 PM Author: Claret trip orchestra pit toaster what is wrong with these people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959687) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 8:35 PM Author: harsh main people parlour yeah it has to be troubling to the State. but there are lots of times when conscientious jurors are hashing it out on the way to a conviction and they ask questions to clarify the theory of one party or the other. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4360547&forum_id=2most#38959839) |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:16 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate This question isn’t bad for the state it’s just retarded. It was Rivera who said HE was the guy who thought he was going to a robbery. Garcia never testified and no one ever claimed Garcia thought he was going to a robbery.
So they were in essence clarifying if Rivera, who’s not on trial, could be a principal |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 9:24 PM Author: infuriating theatre I don't litigate criminal cases so take my reply with a grain of salt. What I think the concern is, is that Garcia's entire theory is that Rivera was the one who was the triggerman and this was related to some Latin Kings stuff. Rivera is only blaming Garcia because he got a good deal in exchange for saying that. Rivera is the boss and told Garcia to come with him, and Garcia thought they were doing a robbery, not a murder.
Obviously there's issues with this, but it's a jury we're talking about. |
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Date: October 10th, 2019 10:14 PM Author: Lilac Knife Karate Yeah you’re right. But if they are discrediting Rivera that boldly then both prosecutions fall apart and its NG for both. The whole killing becomes a Rivera mission and the Charlie - Katie - Garcia link is dead.
Hard to believe they got there in 3 hours, but you never know.
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