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Will Tezos dump below ICO price? YES OR NO

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Glittery Irate Feces Giraffe
  07/05/18
Fma
pearly boltzmann cruise ship
  07/05/18
Hopefully not before I get home
pearly boltzmann cruise ship
  07/05/18
Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?
Zippy laughsome forum
  07/05/18
LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall be...
Exhilarant boiling water
  07/05/18
But btc ico price? Maybe
rebellious indirect expression
  07/05/18
Would be pretty kooky
Umber disrespectful garrison
  07/05/18
it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although peopl...
Brass macaca orchestra pit
  07/05/18
Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky
Umber disrespectful garrison
  07/05/18
Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option ...
hairless main people point
  07/05/18
You sound like a student or someone who has never worked out...
Exhilarant boiling water
  07/06/18
Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion di...
hairless main people point
  07/06/18
Wow you sound cool and fun
aphrodisiac meetinghouse
  07/06/18
Thanks bro
hairless main people point
  07/06/18
Do you have to return some video tapes?
Umber disrespectful garrison
  07/06/18
Aka you pressed a button
pearly boltzmann cruise ship
  07/06/18
Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more im...
hairless main people point
  07/06/18
lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and t...
Brass macaca orchestra pit
  07/06/18
Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of prob...
hairless main people point
  07/06/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: ETH dunking on Skadde...
hairless main people point
  12/06/18
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green supple chad
  12/06/18
I literally cant unload this shit HITBTC is not taking de...
pearly boltzmann cruise ship
  07/05/18
unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to...
Brass macaca orchestra pit
  07/05/18
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Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain
  07/05/18
i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pi...
hairless main people point
  07/06/18
Have u withdrawn?
pearly boltzmann cruise ship
  07/06/18
Yes
hairless main people point
  07/06/18
May go for it tonight
pearly boltzmann cruise ship
  07/06/18
You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw bu...
hairless main people point
  07/06/18
I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that...
hairless main people point
  07/05/18
highly bumpable poast right here
Umber disrespectful garrison
  07/05/18
bumpable by me lol
hairless main people point
  07/06/18
Agreed
hairless main people point
  08/13/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM Author: a mitigated 180 hig...
hairless main people point
  12/06/18
When moon
Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain
  07/05/18
LJL
cracking lay shitlib
  07/08/18
I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have ...
hairless main people point
  07/08/18
Just do sell low and brag about it bro
cracking lay shitlib
  07/08/18
Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market a...
hairless main people point
  07/08/18
I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year af...
bossy rehab tank
  07/08/18
My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it...
hairless main people point
  07/08/18
Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recog...
cracking lay shitlib
  07/08/18
...
hairless main people point
  08/13/18
It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis
hairless main people point
  08/13/18
...
Umber disrespectful garrison
  07/08/18
lol dumbass
olive depressive theater stage
  07/08/18
This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x mor...
hairless main people point
  07/09/18
sup
hairless main people point
  08/02/18
Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh
pearly boltzmann cruise ship
  08/13/18
Sup
hairless main people point
  08/13/18
Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,...
hairless main people point
  12/06/18
Very close to ICO BTC price
Glittery Irate Feces Giraffe
  07/05/18
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Twisted native idiot
  07/06/18
Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #1...
Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain
  07/08/18
ljl @ sellcucks
Abnormal massive whorehouse mother
  07/08/18
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Twisted native idiot
  07/08/18
recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achi...
Sienna Institution Coldplay Fan
  07/08/18
Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down ...
Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain
  07/18/18
Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway
bossy rehab tank
  07/18/18
I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking
overrated beady-eyed roommate
  07/19/18
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth ...
Twisted native idiot
  07/19/18
https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-a...
overrated beady-eyed roommate
  07/19/18
Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now ...
Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain
  08/13/18
I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not e...
hairless main people point
  08/13/18
oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right...
hairless main people point
  09/08/18
(fag)
Abnormal massive whorehouse mother
  09/10/18
...
sooty provocative yarmulke private investor
  09/10/18
...
Umber disrespectful garrison
  09/10/18
who was this?
Histrionic Den Jew
  08/16/20
We have an answer folks!
hairless main people point
  12/06/18
Lol
green supple chad
  12/06/18
...
Histrionic Den Jew
  08/15/20


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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: Glittery Irate Feces Giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367546)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: pearly boltzmann cruise ship

Fma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367611)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:26 AM
Author: pearly boltzmann cruise ship

Hopefully not before I get home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367614)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: Zippy laughsome forum

Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367748)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: Exhilarant boiling water

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367778)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: rebellious indirect expression

But btc ico price? Maybe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367961)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Umber disrespectful garrison

Would be pretty kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36368208)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: Brass macaca orchestra pit

it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although people who bought in ETH are still way ahead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369555)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Umber disrespectful garrison

Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370298)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: hairless main people point

Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option to flip them into bitcoin/ether. The “LOL” in all caps is especially precious.

The floor is 0.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370173)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: Exhilarant boiling water

You sound like a student or someone who has never worked outside of litigation, so it's precious that you'd opine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373748)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:49 AM
Author: hairless main people point

Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion dilution model and fixed it because an analyst forgot to use run rate synergies to calculate pro forma EPS. you have no idea what I just said but it isn’t litigation lmao.

Remind me what you do again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374674)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: aphrodisiac meetinghouse

Wow you sound cool and fun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374740)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: hairless main people point

Thanks bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374764)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Umber disrespectful garrison

Do you have to return some video tapes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374870)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: pearly boltzmann cruise ship

Aka you pressed a button

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375973)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: hairless main people point

Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more impressive than that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376121)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:41 PM
Author: Brass macaca orchestra pit

lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and the fact that they brag about their MAD EXCEL SKILLZ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376187)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: hairless main people point

Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of problem solving skills, attention to detail and business sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376423)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:17 AM
Author: hairless main people point

Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM

Author: ETH dunking on Skadden Assoc (joeybank)

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358540)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: green supple chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37359597)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:06 PM
Author: pearly boltzmann cruise ship

I literally cant unload this shit

HITBTC is not taking deposits

gate.io does not allow USmos to withdraw

fuck my literal ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369857)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: Brass macaca orchestra pit

unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to mitigate risk (and take nice profits if you bought in eth) you may as well just hodl for a while at this point. within five years it's either going to 0 or going to be relevant and worth a good amount. if you only have like 10-20k just let it roll.

plus this seems to be a common pattern for "serious" coins. ZIL immediately mooned hard and then cratered, but now it's holding stable. tezos just had an extended post-ICO moon phase because futures were around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369942)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:31 PM
Author: Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370020)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: hairless main people point

i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pie.

youre confusing the wink nod disclaimer for actually caring about excluding americans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372401)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:35 AM
Author: pearly boltzmann cruise ship

Have u withdrawn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373793)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:50 AM
Author: hairless main people point

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374678)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: pearly boltzmann cruise ship

May go for it tonight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375967)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: hairless main people point

You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw but I got mine approved in a few hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376133)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: hairless main people point

I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that it ever existed now. Have fun asking when moon ad nauseaum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370182)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Umber disrespectful garrison

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370316)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: hairless main people point

bumpable by me lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372404)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: hairless main people point

Agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610382)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: hairless main people point

Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM

Author: a mitigated 180

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358530)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:32 PM
Author: Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain

When moon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370375)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: cracking lay shitlib

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384896)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: hairless main people point

I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have involved myself in crypto and the long term value propostion is still trash. No one knows what its actually worth so of course the price swings wildly. I just wanted to take my 5x profit and wash off the stench of involving myself with this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36385633)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: cracking lay shitlib

Just do sell low and brag about it bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386056)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: hairless main people point

Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market alongside people making the most retarded investment arguments of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386730)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: bossy rehab tank

I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year after holding this long. Tezos is favored to be listed by coinbase...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386738)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: hairless main people point

My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it given the regulatory risk. And the ongoing litigation feels like a dangling ax. Fuck that crypto is risky enough without that overhang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387219)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: cracking lay shitlib

Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recognize obvious signs of slippage from overselling, and then get MAF when it recovers, LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386934)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: hairless main people point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610389)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: hairless main people point

It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610386)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: Umber disrespectful garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387014)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM
Author: olive depressive theater stage

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387994)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:54 AM
Author: hairless main people point

This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x more than you ever will on crypto

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36389175)



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Date: August 2nd, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: hairless main people point

sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36542673)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: pearly boltzmann cruise ship

Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609386)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: hairless main people point

Sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610392)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: hairless main people point

Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM

Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358533)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 8:06 PM
Author: Glittery Irate Feces Giraffe

Very close to ICO BTC price

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370589)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 10:32 AM
Author: Twisted native idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374108)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 10:08 AM
Author: Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain

Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #18 spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384494)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: Abnormal massive whorehouse mother

ljl @ sellcucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384683)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:03 PM
Author: Twisted native idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386585)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:38 PM
Author: Sienna Institution Coldplay Fan

recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achieve similar gains

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387316)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain

Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down below ICO prices just yet

Currently at $2.34 or around 6X ICO price in $ and just passed BNB for the #17 spot and still only on one shitty exchange



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36455208)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: bossy rehab tank

Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36456958)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: overrated beady-eyed roommate

I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36459670)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: Twisted native idiot

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36460934)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: overrated beady-eyed roommate

https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-and-nations-lyrics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36461956)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: Gold fiercely-loyal stead stain

Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now I'm envisioning a future competing with Peterman on the lot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609332)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: hairless main people point

I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not exactly a group of genius hedge fund portfolio managers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610403)



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Date: September 8th, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: hairless main people point

oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right now! pls tell me more about the “fundamentals” of an “asset” with no apparent capacity to generate future cash flows. nah i’m just playing: doing so just perverts the concept of investment fundamentals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36770773)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: Abnormal massive whorehouse mother

(fag)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783761)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 8:04 PM
Author: sooty provocative yarmulke private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783838)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Umber disrespectful garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36784244)



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Date: August 16th, 2020 4:41 PM
Author: Histrionic Den Jew

who was this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#40765104)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: hairless main people point

We have an answer folks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358523)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:43 AM
Author: green supple chad

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Date: August 15th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: Histrionic Den Jew



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