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Will Tezos dump below ICO price? YES OR NO

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Boyish Ruby Hall
  07/05/18
Fma
marvelous goal in life
  07/05/18
Hopefully not before I get home
marvelous goal in life
  07/05/18
Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?
maniacal carnelian psychic
  07/05/18
LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall be...
stirring rambunctious hospital cuckold
  07/05/18
But btc ico price? Maybe
Bearded Talking Parlour Jewess
  07/05/18
Would be pretty kooky
Beady-eyed Space Halford
  07/05/18
it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although peopl...
Pearl Feces Wrinkle
  07/05/18
Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky
Beady-eyed Space Halford
  07/05/18
Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option ...
Flickering parlor
  07/05/18
You sound like a student or someone who has never worked out...
stirring rambunctious hospital cuckold
  07/06/18
Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion di...
Flickering parlor
  07/06/18
Wow you sound cool and fun
Soggy diverse orchestra pit
  07/06/18
Thanks bro
Flickering parlor
  07/06/18
Do you have to return some video tapes?
Beady-eyed Space Halford
  07/06/18
Aka you pressed a button
marvelous goal in life
  07/06/18
Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more im...
Flickering parlor
  07/06/18
lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and t...
Pearl Feces Wrinkle
  07/06/18
Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of prob...
Flickering parlor
  07/06/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: ETH dunking on Skadde...
Flickering parlor
  12/06/18
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Fluffy Forum Clown
  12/06/18
I literally cant unload this shit HITBTC is not taking de...
marvelous goal in life
  07/05/18
unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to...
Pearl Feces Wrinkle
  07/05/18
...
Cerise Useless Shitlib
  07/05/18
i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pi...
Flickering parlor
  07/06/18
Have u withdrawn?
marvelous goal in life
  07/06/18
Yes
Flickering parlor
  07/06/18
May go for it tonight
marvelous goal in life
  07/06/18
You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw bu...
Flickering parlor
  07/06/18
I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that...
Flickering parlor
  07/05/18
highly bumpable poast right here
Beady-eyed Space Halford
  07/05/18
bumpable by me lol
Flickering parlor
  07/06/18
Agreed
Flickering parlor
  08/13/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM Author: a mitigated 180 hig...
Flickering parlor
  12/06/18
When moon
Cerise Useless Shitlib
  07/05/18
LJL
Henna indian lodge cuck
  07/08/18
I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have ...
Flickering parlor
  07/08/18
Just do sell low and brag about it bro
Henna indian lodge cuck
  07/08/18
Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market a...
Flickering parlor
  07/08/18
I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year af...
charcoal marketing idea heaven
  07/08/18
My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it...
Flickering parlor
  07/08/18
Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recog...
Henna indian lodge cuck
  07/08/18
...
Flickering parlor
  08/13/18
It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis
Flickering parlor
  08/13/18
...
Beady-eyed Space Halford
  07/08/18
lol dumbass
histrionic gunner
  07/08/18
This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x mor...
Flickering parlor
  07/09/18
sup
Flickering parlor
  08/02/18
Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh
marvelous goal in life
  08/13/18
Sup
Flickering parlor
  08/13/18
Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,...
Flickering parlor
  12/06/18
Very close to ICO BTC price
Boyish Ruby Hall
  07/05/18
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ocher native
  07/06/18
Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #1...
Cerise Useless Shitlib
  07/08/18
ljl @ sellcucks
Hot concupiscible patrolman
  07/08/18
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ocher native
  07/08/18
recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achi...
frisky range scourge upon the earth
  07/08/18
Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down ...
Cerise Useless Shitlib
  07/18/18
Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway
charcoal marketing idea heaven
  07/18/18
I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking
galvanic theatre electric furnace
  07/19/18
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth ...
ocher native
  07/19/18
https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-a...
galvanic theatre electric furnace
  07/19/18
Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now ...
Cerise Useless Shitlib
  08/13/18
I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not e...
Flickering parlor
  08/13/18
oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right...
Flickering parlor
  09/08/18
(fag)
Hot concupiscible patrolman
  09/10/18
...
bat shit crazy stage double fault
  09/10/18
...
Beady-eyed Space Halford
  09/10/18
who was this?
vivacious ticket booth brethren
  08/16/20
We have an answer folks!
Flickering parlor
  12/06/18
Lol
Fluffy Forum Clown
  12/06/18
...
vivacious ticket booth brethren
  08/15/20


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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: Boyish Ruby Hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367546)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: marvelous goal in life

Fma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367611)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:26 AM
Author: marvelous goal in life

Hopefully not before I get home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367614)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: maniacal carnelian psychic

Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367748)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: stirring rambunctious hospital cuckold

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367778)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: Bearded Talking Parlour Jewess

But btc ico price? Maybe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367961)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Space Halford

Would be pretty kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36368208)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: Pearl Feces Wrinkle

it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although people who bought in ETH are still way ahead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369555)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Space Halford

Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370298)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option to flip them into bitcoin/ether. The “LOL” in all caps is especially precious.

The floor is 0.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370173)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: stirring rambunctious hospital cuckold

You sound like a student or someone who has never worked outside of litigation, so it's precious that you'd opine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373748)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:49 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion dilution model and fixed it because an analyst forgot to use run rate synergies to calculate pro forma EPS. you have no idea what I just said but it isn’t litigation lmao.

Remind me what you do again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374674)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: Soggy diverse orchestra pit

Wow you sound cool and fun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374740)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

Thanks bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374764)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Space Halford

Do you have to return some video tapes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374870)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: marvelous goal in life

Aka you pressed a button

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375973)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more impressive than that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376121)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:41 PM
Author: Pearl Feces Wrinkle

lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and the fact that they brag about their MAD EXCEL SKILLZ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376187)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of problem solving skills, attention to detail and business sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376423)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:17 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM

Author: ETH dunking on Skadden Assoc (joeybank)

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358540)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Fluffy Forum Clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37359597)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:06 PM
Author: marvelous goal in life

I literally cant unload this shit

HITBTC is not taking deposits

gate.io does not allow USmos to withdraw

fuck my literal ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369857)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: Pearl Feces Wrinkle

unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to mitigate risk (and take nice profits if you bought in eth) you may as well just hodl for a while at this point. within five years it's either going to 0 or going to be relevant and worth a good amount. if you only have like 10-20k just let it roll.

plus this seems to be a common pattern for "serious" coins. ZIL immediately mooned hard and then cratered, but now it's holding stable. tezos just had an extended post-ICO moon phase because futures were around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369942)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:31 PM
Author: Cerise Useless Shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370020)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pie.

youre confusing the wink nod disclaimer for actually caring about excluding americans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372401)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:35 AM
Author: marvelous goal in life

Have u withdrawn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373793)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:50 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374678)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: marvelous goal in life

May go for it tonight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375967)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw but I got mine approved in a few hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376133)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that it ever existed now. Have fun asking when moon ad nauseaum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370182)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Space Halford

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370316)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

bumpable by me lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372404)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

Agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610382)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM

Author: a mitigated 180

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358530)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:32 PM
Author: Cerise Useless Shitlib

When moon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370375)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: Henna indian lodge cuck

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384896)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have involved myself in crypto and the long term value propostion is still trash. No one knows what its actually worth so of course the price swings wildly. I just wanted to take my 5x profit and wash off the stench of involving myself with this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36385633)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Henna indian lodge cuck

Just do sell low and brag about it bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386056)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market alongside people making the most retarded investment arguments of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386730)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: charcoal marketing idea heaven

I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year after holding this long. Tezos is favored to be listed by coinbase...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386738)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it given the regulatory risk. And the ongoing litigation feels like a dangling ax. Fuck that crypto is risky enough without that overhang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387219)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Henna indian lodge cuck

Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recognize obvious signs of slippage from overselling, and then get MAF when it recovers, LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386934)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: Flickering parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610389)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610386)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Space Halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387014)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM
Author: histrionic gunner

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387994)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:54 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x more than you ever will on crypto

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36389175)



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Date: August 2nd, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36542673)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: marvelous goal in life

Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609386)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

Sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610392)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM

Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358533)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 8:06 PM
Author: Boyish Ruby Hall

Very close to ICO BTC price

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370589)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 10:32 AM
Author: ocher native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374108)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 10:08 AM
Author: Cerise Useless Shitlib

Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #18 spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384494)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: Hot concupiscible patrolman

ljl @ sellcucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384683)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:03 PM
Author: ocher native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386585)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:38 PM
Author: frisky range scourge upon the earth

recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achieve similar gains

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387316)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: Cerise Useless Shitlib

Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down below ICO prices just yet

Currently at $2.34 or around 6X ICO price in $ and just passed BNB for the #17 spot and still only on one shitty exchange



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36455208)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: charcoal marketing idea heaven

Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36456958)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: galvanic theatre electric furnace

I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36459670)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: ocher native

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36460934)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: galvanic theatre electric furnace

https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-and-nations-lyrics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36461956)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: Cerise Useless Shitlib

Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now I'm envisioning a future competing with Peterman on the lot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609332)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not exactly a group of genius hedge fund portfolio managers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610403)



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Date: September 8th, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: Flickering parlor

oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right now! pls tell me more about the “fundamentals” of an “asset” with no apparent capacity to generate future cash flows. nah i’m just playing: doing so just perverts the concept of investment fundamentals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36770773)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: Hot concupiscible patrolman

(fag)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783761)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 8:04 PM
Author: bat shit crazy stage double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783838)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Space Halford



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36784244)



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Date: August 16th, 2020 4:41 PM
Author: vivacious ticket booth brethren

who was this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#40765104)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: Flickering parlor

We have an answer folks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358523)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:43 AM
Author: Fluffy Forum Clown

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37359614)



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Date: August 15th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: vivacious ticket booth brethren



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