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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:34 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth The veins have been tapped, the ore blasted. There is nothing left. It is pure embarrassment to read what humanities undergrads think about, or understand themselves to be thinking about. It's sad and pathetic. I don't mind that humanities programs are being cut. Good. Thank God. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542778) |
Date: November 13th, 2010 4:36 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Have you ever, for example, read what undergrads try to say about Wittgenstein?
There is no reason, in the world, for an undergrad to ever pick up a Wittgenstein book, much less write a paper about it. None. I actually have to turn away. I am sickened when I read it.
The humanities, the "x"-studies, and much of the social sciences are merely pedagogical abuse. There isn't much else to say about it. It leaves undergrads not only innumerate, but illiterate as well. They are actually worse readers, writers, and thinkers than when they arrived. I don't see how we permit it to continue.
The humanities, as it is nowadays done, also gives these poor saps complexes. They wind up using words like "self," "other," "culture," "complex," and "structure" in these almost perfectly meaningless ways. These words and their usage scratch at meaning enough to persist in academe, but are nebulous enough that these fools will never overcome their worries over these words. These ridiculous, jargon-y words that have almost no purchase with the long and difficult dialectical struggle toward refinement and meaning.
The humanities haven't upturned the hoary old truths. To suggest otherwise is imagination and hubris. But they have done a damn good job ruining otherwise productive young minds with sophistry.
Fuck man. Gut it all. Tear it all down and rebuild it. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:37 PM Author: cream indecent hospital queen of the night You teach? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542799) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:46 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth TA'd. But I keep in contact with friends who do teach. Mainly folks in analytic philosophy programs who teach people coming from different disciplines thinking that, because a syllabus mentions Wittgenstein, the class will be the kind of intellectual anarchy they find in their anthropology classes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542864) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:08 PM Author: mint boiling water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542972) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:44 PM Author: apoplectic library becky I disagree. I took SEVERAL analytic philosophy courses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542846) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:45 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Analytic philosophy doesn't have these problems. Analytic philosophy has its own, arguably worse, problems. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542851) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:46 PM Author: apoplectic library becky Wittgenstein was taught by the analytic oriented philosophers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542860) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:49 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Yeah. That is error too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542879) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:52 PM Author: apoplectic library becky ROFL.
I don't want to out myself, but I am just going to tell you that you are full of shit. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:53 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth OH WOW WELL NOW I'M INTIMIDATED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542902) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:54 PM Author: apoplectic library becky That was not the point, I am just telling you that you are wrong. You are pissed you have come across some illiterates so you are making a whole assload of assumptions on things you know nothing about. Enjoy your TTT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542913) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:55 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Haha. Okay man. Pretty sure I'm comfortable with this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542916) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:22 PM Author: cocky nursing home internal respiration Like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543062) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:28 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Well, analytic philosophy has blessedly gotten away from how incestuous it was for the better part of the 20th century; it is far more interdisciplinary now. So that's a good thing.
But the problem with analytic philosophy, if I am going to reduce it to a thumbnail, is also arguably its virtue: viz., the laser-like focus on philosophical minutiae. Gone are the system-builders, replaced instead by philosophers who, in the manner of Kuhnian ordinary science, push on the various anomalies of these quite bounded theories until revolution is required. (Are you familiar with Kuhn? I can say more if not.)
Now, it isn't as though the "normal science"-ish process is the problem. The problem is that, e.g., properly considered, one's metaethics should depend, at least in large part, on what one's epistemology is, which, in turn, depends on one's metaphysics. But there are few folks out there who are really approaching these questions synoptically.
As a result, analytic philosophy consists, to crib one of the funny words from the parlance of bullshit, a bricolage of pieces. What is needed is systematic thought, but specialization makes that difficult.
This is just one problem; there are others. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:39 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater TBF, Wittgenstein is the worthless PBR drinking hipster version of Gilbert Ryle. Ryle says the same thing without the fucking fortune cookie statements. Also, his influence is vastly overrated seeing as how most of the really significant philo mind stuff he "came up with" was cribbed from Buddhism, Schopenhauer and the Gestalt guys. Honestly, Wittgenstein sucks.
AP's big problem is logic-chopping.
AP and CP are mostly just different in terminology and in the fact Cp like lit and AP likes science. Kuhn and Foucault basically say the same fucking thing. Unsurprising since Koyre (kuhn's diss advisor) studied under Bachelard. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:49 PM Author: Stirring university giraffe logic-chopping? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543235) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:06 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater Ever read Graham Priest? Helpful hint - don't. He's the worst offender IMO. His "logic" suspends noncontradiction. Basically, Hegel via AP.
There's a shitload of these kind of guys, actually.
It's like medieval "backwards logics". They're just so divorced from reality or any starting point as to be useless. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:05 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess wasn't kuhn a physics ph d dropout
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:45 PM Author: chocolate generalized bond why do you say this? because W is beyond the level of an undergrad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542855) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:49 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth It is undeniable that late W is beyond the level of an undergrad. Late W requires a level of familiarity with, e.g., early W, logical positivism and its response to German idealism, etc., that is just difficult to get as a typical undergrad.
There are exceptions, of course. I am talking here about the median humanities student, or, perhaps even a good humanities student. I am not talking about the very talented. Different rules apply to them.
But seriously, reading Wittgenstein as a babby philosopher is like learning to fly by clapping your buttcheeks before you've learned to crawl. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:07 PM Author: Stirring university giraffe It is undeniable that your writing is pompous, self-important, and largely vacuous.
I suggest you enroll in a continuing education Writing class at a top 10 university and train your writing skills--that is, if you must persist in inflicting this verbal violence upon us. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:47 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth lol u mad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543645) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: dark whorehouse TCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543707) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2010 5:06 AM Author: bossy irradiated partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16699698) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:13 PM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage I fully understand late Wittgenstein by my third semester of college. sorry you are TTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543010) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:53 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Shut up you stupid cunt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543259) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:22 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater OMG, language is so arbitrary. Look at this rabbit, it's a duck depending on your point of view. Oh wow, perception. I'm so edgy. Even though Gestalt school in Psych did this like 30 years ago and the Perspectivism undergirding this is firmly rooted in Nietzsche, and Buddhism - esp the Mahayana texts have been doing this for a few thousand years e.g. Mulamadyamikakarika I'm so original.
W probably had access to the Muller of some of the Mahayana stuff. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:48 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth My point exactly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543649) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater I didn't notice because language is so arbitrary.
*high five* |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 11:38 AM Author: Stirring university giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16547897) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:42 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater Wittgenstein can be read by a 3rd grader. It's not real deep shit, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543194) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:50 PM Author: racy saffron ape well there is a lot of stuff he wrote that cannot be assessed at all without at least a decent understanding of basic philosophical predicate logic. it's useless to try, because they'd just miss the point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542883) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:48 PM Author: Idiotic hell I urgently need you to rate and comment on this:
http://philosophy.fas.nyu.edu/object/philo.people.elizablock |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:51 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Any relation to Ned?
Obviously my general concerns about the average humanities student at a good school aren't going to scale up to fifth-year grad students at the best analytic philosophy program in the world. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:54 PM Author: Idiotic hell I think it was suggested by a pumo that this is his daughter.
I need your unbiased opinion though. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:56 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth What the fuck do you want me to do, man, rate her attractiveness? I don't know about her field. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542923) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:57 PM Author: Idiotic hell well, I'm not asking about that.
would you go to her office hours? do you find this type of girls attractive? |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:57 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth I would go to her office hours if I had a question.
What is this "type" of girl? A dorky one? |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:59 PM Author: Idiotic hell You don't think she has a specific look that's found almost exclusively in female grad students in the humanities? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542934) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:02 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth To be fair, it's not like I spend a lot of time examining female grad students in the humanities to find out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542943) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:08 PM Author: Idiotic hell wow, man. I'm wordless.
that IS all I do when I take humanities classes. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:17 PM Author: Stirring university giraffe how's your program @ Pton working out bRo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543030) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:10 PM Author: mint boiling water LEAVE ELIZA BLOCK ALONE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542989) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:27 PM Author: Idiotic hell wtf brah, I just think she is fiine, that is ALL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543097) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 8:07 PM Author: mint boiling water brah you've been FIRING her up since I dropped that link the other day. I'm about to send her an email linking her to your posts. Just make sure you wrap up brah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16544308) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:17 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater cr i am sorry to say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543034) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:30 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Box Office Affirmative Action :(((((((((((((( reading 'philosophical investigations' is my thanksgiving break plan. do u not endorse????? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543117) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:32 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Box Office Affirmative Action on second thought, i guess i'll need more time than four days lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543136) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:41 PM Author: mint boiling water nah brah, do it up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543190) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:42 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Box Office Affirmative Action but i'm an undergrad :(((((((((((( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543193) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:47 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Not really, no. Too in media res. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543217) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:49 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Box Office Affirmative Action it's not like i can't revisit it later when i have a better foundation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543232) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:06 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Then what's the point of doing it now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543783) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 3:08 AM Author: carnelian excitant electric furnace trailer park it really is a LOT of horseshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16547128) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2010 11:00 PM Author: french stimulating pit "These ridiculous, jargon-y words that have almost no purchase with the long and difficult dialectical struggle toward refinement and meaning."
This was meant to be ironic, right? |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:38 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set this is harsh man. well what about autodidacticism then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542804) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:50 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Autodidacticism is, I think, probably much better for the average mind than is dedicated, principled instruction in bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542881) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:11 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess autodidacts tend to end up extremely eccentric (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543359) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 1:14 AM Author: Sienna degenerate People who are intellectually curious tend to be eccentric as is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546749) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:43 PM Author: apoplectic library becky It's because of women and socialists. I am old enough that I had old school professors. What is being taught today is nothing like what the old white guys were into. The whole thing has gone from "classics" and "great books" and "excellence" to feminist, marxist critique. But of course, you can't do any sort of meaningful critical writing unless are actually well read. Thus, people like bel and their astounding idiocy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542839) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:49 PM Author: sickened startling elastic band bawdyhouse Some ivory tower bitch empowered by "critique" to call a guy evil for talking to her too long at a party after she said she wasn't interested.
Then again, she wouldn't be any better off having read "pride and prejudice."
maybe: Read critique, but you don't get to identify or plant a flag for the groups identified in these books. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:51 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set modernism and the enlightenment project are over. obfuscation has smuggled in unreason through the dialectic of enlightenment. either permit the exploration of validity vouchsafed by power structures, or erase it altogether and put everyone into the instrumental disciplines (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542886) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:53 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Search your heart and then read an English professor. I mean, literally pick a major university at random, and then a professor in the English department at random, and a paper at random. The odds are distressingly good that it is high-octane nonsense.
Is this exploration of validity, or is it something altogether less noble? |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:59 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set i don't personally believe it's noble, but that's me subjectively. the english professor is ostensibly searching for a ground for nobility, using a variety of methods ranging from the plausible to - sure - the fantastical. i can't say if this bears any useful fruit or if the performance is more important than the result, but i can say its an apposite line of inquiry given recent western history's crisis of identity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542932) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:02 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth What is "recent Western history's crisis of identity" and how does it - indeed, how can it possibly - render what is, by your own admission, a "fantastical" line of inquiry "apposite," and, more importantly, what relation does the apposition of inquiry bear to the justification for that inquiry?
Suppose, for example, that I think the West is undergoing an "identity crisis," whatever that could mean. What then? That means that now is truly the time to give each other intellectual golden showers? Show your work on this one man. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:04 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set no idea man, u got me. i have some deleuze to read (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542953) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:05 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth I can't keep up with that shit, man, it moves at the speed of arboreal rhizomes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542957) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:07 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set it's really busy at a subatomic level maybe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542970) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:16 PM Author: walnut laser beams telephone There has been no "crisis of identity" outside of academia -- see the continuing vitality of conservative and right-wing political parties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543023) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:05 PM Author: racy saffron ape i don't know man work like this seems really critical to the human experience:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2902591 |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:09 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set easy enough to intuit or say, but much more difficult to prove (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542982) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:12 PM Author: racy saffron ape of all the weaselly words that academics use (and those are countless), i really really hate the term "suggest."
as in, "X suggests that Y." or "X seems to indicate Y."
it's a license to simply make up whatever wild suppositional shit you want, since it's not falsifiable. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:13 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set falsifiability implies phallogocentrism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543008) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:20 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater The word is Phallo-logo-centrism. Duh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543047) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:22 PM Author: racy saffron ape In French "Scott Walker" Stewart's recent monograph entitled "November 13th, 2010 5:13 PM," he argues that falsifiability implies phallogocentrism, which seemingly suggests a wholesale endorsement of Pronger's claim that combative sport is less a function of sublimated warfare than a method of managing insecurities related to the inability of any individual penis to itself directly conquer territory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543060) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:33 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set lmao i don't think they would go as far as to pair up "seemingly wholesale" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543141) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:23 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater Credit. Talk to those fuckers about going to law school. Listen to them then opine about how lawyers are really "intellectual prostitutes." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543065) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:11 PM Author: impressive cruise ship i'm disappointed that the link didn't lead here:
http://jss.sagepub.com/content/23/4/373 |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:12 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set that's what i was expecting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543002) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:12 PM Author: racy saffron ape one of several awesome essays from the compilation "Body Fascism." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543006) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:53 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543685) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:12 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Ah yes, a CONTRAPUNTAL GEOGRAPHY. And not just "a" geography. No. MANY geographies. CONTRAPUNTAL geographies. Musical, geographies, of stories.
"Listen. It isn't as though 'geography' refers to a unitary field of study. No, no. Tsk, tsk. There are GEOGRAPHIES. Why? Well, because think about it! We are mapping the human genome, right? "MAPPING" the human genome! Well that's a GEOGRAPHY OF THE GENOME! But we're also GOOGLE MAPPING things. So that's a satellite-derived geography of our space.
But no, wait. It doesn't stop there. It is an internet-MEDIATED geography of space. And not just ANY space, for Google Maps gets *me* where *I* want to go. I can even re-route according to my preference!
Google Maps is, moreover, culturally-imbued! Why, for example, are *SOME* restaurants included at some level of granularity, but others require FURTHER granularity, or do not show up at all? Could there be implicit racism here? Does Middle Eastern show up as often as burger joints?
Google Maps, then, is a CYBER-MEDIATED GEOGRAPHY OF SUBJECTIVE CULTURAL SPACES.
Is it any wonder we must, then, use "geographies"?"
If people didn't actually make careers out of this, it'd be funny. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:23 PM Author: racy saffron ape but would it actually be possible for a professor who steadfastly refused to use needless jargon to ever get tenure? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543069) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:32 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth It does happen. It, of course, happens in philosophy departments, but I think that it does happen elsewhere too. Yale has some decent scholars in its English department, e.g. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543132) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:44 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater the best is still marxist human geography. that asshole (forget his name) is one of the top 10 humanities/Soc science cited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543201) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:46 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set david harvey. his history, like perry anderson's, is pretty instructive if you're willing to hold its marxist ideology by the edges (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543214) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:02 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater uggggh Academic Marxism *showers to wash the dirtiness away*
E.P. Thompson is one of the few Brit Marxists that doesn't annoy the shit out of me. The rest seem baffled by how Marxism in its intial formulation (and in more recent structural formulations like Althusser) inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Hobsbawm and the "No-Bullshit" guys aren't bad either. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:33 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess But the more significant thing is that theory took over the thinking function of fiction as well as the stylistic: it treated social theory in the way the novel always had, more for liberatory power than strict fidelity to scholarship, and offered wild suspicion as the route to personal enlightenment. It did the novelistic job of a whole period: it produced the works, at once literary and intellectual, that came to terms with the immediate aftermath of the Sixties.
Many of the classics of the era opened with feats of prose that American novels of the 1970s and 1980s rarely even attempted. Lévi-Strauss could describe a sunset in Tristes Tropiques for longer than a sun takes to set. Foucault did fourteen pages on a single painting, Velazquez’s “Las Meninas.” Then there was the drive and audacity of the History of Sexuality, Volume 1: “For a long time, the story goes, we supported a Victorian regime”—with the Proustian longtemps thrown off, with such brio, in a work of history! |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:37 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater The French think it's more important to have ideas that were interesting rath than vaguely correct.
It started with Bergson, then continued with Merleau-Ponty and Foucault. Foucault also kicked it up a notch by plagiarizing Weber, Wilhelm Reich, and Steven Marcus, and mis-citing historical sources repeatedly. Of course, despite that F is still the most credited French philosophe. After Voltaire. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:53 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth I don't think this is the "more significant thing" at all. In fact, I don't think it's even remotely significant that postmodern scholarship takes its stylistic cues from postmodern literature. So what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543687) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:03 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess it's from a n+1 flame piece celebrating theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543767) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:07 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Okay thank God. I thought you were actually saying that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543790) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:30 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess people would rather be English professors than work in ad agencies, and publishing papers is the way you compete for such jobs. Math would happen without math departments, but it is the existence of English majors, and therefore jobs teaching them, that calls into being all those thousands of dreary papers about gender and identity in the novels of Conrad. No one does that kind of thing for fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543521) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:19 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater yup (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543045) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 4:49 PM Author: Citrine Comical Gaping Athletic Conference metaphorically you mean? or is this is an analogy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542876) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:05 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542959) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:07 PM Author: bespoke market philosopher-king someone went to a shitty ugrad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542967) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:13 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Someone certainly did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543011) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:09 PM Author: impressive cruise ship op, you have mail on this topic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16542980) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:13 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543009) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:19 PM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage The destruction of the humanities is at its core a result of the attempt to include minorities in academia. It is a fact that minority students who go on to attend university are less prepared, and I would argue that is something that even people who do not believe in a genetic IQ gap must accept. In an attempt to pass them professors made their classes easier and new departments were created so that minority professors could write vacuous articles devoid of any substantive intellectual content. It wasn't too bad at first, but the movement built on itself and turned in to the modern Diversity industry, which has made academia into a fucking joke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543042) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:21 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater damn yo, there's something there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543051) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:21 PM Author: Stirring university giraffe lol this is an absurd thesis.
troll? |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:24 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater Not absurd at all. Been said for years, man. How do you think African-American Studies was legitimated.
Had to keep the ballers and the AAs from failing out. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:26 PM Author: bespoke market philosopher-king how does African-American Studies hurt traditional humanities? It actually draws retards away from legitimate fields (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543091) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:28 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater No, because the subject is flabby enough to try to encroach its sloppy sociological stuff into other slightly more legitimate fields. Its a slippery slope sort of thing. I am intrigued by the idea that AA has helped to fuck up the humanities in college. And I agree with everything OP said--undergrads come out less able than they were coming in. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:31 PM Author: racy saffron ape what are AA studies courses like at the top european universities? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543124) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:33 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater Too attenuated. Or my mind has been softened by the humanities. Say what you mean more directly please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543139) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:32 PM Author: Stirring university giraffe Yes, and 'at its core' the wholesale DESTRUCTION OF THE HUMANITIES resulted from AA Studies.
LOL.
Nice flaeme, bro. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:34 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater I love how marginally high enough IQ types are unable to recognize nuanced discussion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543151) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:36 PM Author: Stirring university giraffe Quoth Alia: 'The destruction of the humanities is at its core a result of the attempt to include minorities in academia.'
u mad, bro?
BTW, my mom said my IQ was 147. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:24 PM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage What's absurd about it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543077) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:24 PM Author: bespoke market philosopher-king lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543075) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:25 PM Author: Idiotic hell explain why this hasn't happened in the sciences. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543087) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:28 PM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage I thought someone might ask this question, but the answer to it is fairly obvious. It is much harder to bullshit in science because it is built upon objective facts. This makes it resistant to attempts to "diversify" it, which is something that the diversity industry has noted to its chagrin (they're working on it). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543105) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:28 PM Author: bespoke market philosopher-king lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543108) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:42 PM Author: Idiotic hell it is an obvious answer, but it does point out that there are reasons other than the catering of minorities and women in academe at play here, having to do with the nature of the disciplines themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543196) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:46 PM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage Subjectivity isn't necessarily bad- most of our fundamental beliefs are subjective. I do acknowledge that this creates problems in the kinds of situation under discussion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543209) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:45 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater Naive subjectivity is retarded, and rampant at schools.
Heads up, you can't start your car with a leafblower no matter how much you think you can. Disproven. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:46 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set w/e man there is no car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543641) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:54 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater I'd quote an "enactive network model of the mind" to prove that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543692) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:27 PM Author: Ocher stock car legend yeah, let's be honest here. threads like this are all well and good but it couldn't be more obvious that beneath all this labored snark and feigned outrage at the humanities "really" being an "abandoned mineshaft" is just another angry little uchicago dork who's too scared to rant openly about how he feels about women and blacks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543100) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:31 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater Actually the point seems well-reasoned, not a "Rant." Nor does it seem "labored."
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:35 PM Author: Ocher stock car legend I agree with alia, dipshit. the target of my post is askav. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543152) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:45 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater who is askav? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543204) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:58 PM Author: Ocher stock car legend the OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543281) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:37 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth It is elementary that the worst of these intellectual crimes are perpetrated by white men. If you'd like, you can chalk this up to the nonsense Alia has just spouted. Of course, I don't think so.
The sickness here is one of the leisure classes. It is unsurprising that white men, having the most leisure, are the most prolific expositors of intellectual sewage. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:39 PM Author: Ocher stock car legend look, bro, the next time the anger builds up inside, don't waste our time with this. just make a pumo and nthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543176) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:49 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater No, there's a race element too. It's not just class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543234) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:35 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess i think you are way off on this one, almost chalmeresque (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543554) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 8:29 PM Author: Ocher stock car legend i was just trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16544520) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 12:13 AM Author: Startled twinkling jewess Pwnt. You always do this to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546380) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:33 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Uh, I'll let other people handle this one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543142) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:42 PM Author: mint boiling water groundbreaking, continue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543195) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:56 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater I think we'd have to look at minority enrollment.
Most students are undeclared, followed by business. Minorities are no different. If minority students are that markedly inferior, they should fail out before choice of major matters.
I think it's more complicated than you suggest. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:03 PM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage this is complete bullshit as well- you are assuming that general classes can't be turned into nonsense too. general education classes were made into jokes in order to pass minorities or they were given special treatment so that they could pass. sotomayor admitted that she was advised to read children's book during her summers off from pton so that she could improve her english. yet she was still given an academic award. why? because the system was designed to count the bullshit classes she took later. and that was years ago. modern gen ed makes me lulz heartily (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543313) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:10 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater I think education is viewed as a trade school.
I don't deny that ALL classes are watered down. I'm just hesitant to believe that AA studies are a direct byproduct of failing minority students. As a proportion, not that many are in these classes. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:13 PM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage AA studies are not just a byproduct of minority students- they started out as a place that the university could place minority professors since they were unqualified for other fields (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543373) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:01 PM Author: bateful green house I agree. I would only add that allowing women to teach in formerly male-dominated fields like history has had a similarly deleterious impact.
Btw, the reason this hasn't happened in the hard sciences is that research in those fields is driven by government grants, and the government tends to award such grants to research that will provide tangible benefits and pass political muster. Research in the humanities, by contrast, is driven by liberal-leaning private trusts, which makes funding even the most useful social science research (such as that in economics) precarious if the research might undermine the trust's liberal beliefs. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:04 PM Author: impressive cruise ship 1987 called, it wants allan bloom back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543322) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:10 PM Author: bateful green house EDGYANDCOOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543351) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:11 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater He actually blamed the Nietzscheanization of Marxism e.g. Deleuze.
I'm one of the 3 people who actually read the book. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:23 PM Author: impressive cruise ship what, closing of the american mind?
i was referring to the part where he blames grade inflation on white academics' desire to enroll blacks and not fail them out
i read it in 2003 though so i may be remembering wrong
edit: no, i don't think i was remembering wrong. you're talking about the part where the left encounters nietzsche. i'm talking about the part where earnest liberals at cornell eliminated failing grades, in "the student and the university." of course, the general trend may the cause of the specific problem |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:27 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater true, but that was mostly an aside to his protracted screed on the decline in values due to that bastard Deleuze, loud music, and those kids not getting off his fucking lawn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543499) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:31 PM Author: impressive cruise ship i edited
also the impressionistic tirade on rock was lol, can you imagine what he'd have done with fiddy cent?* . . . . . . . . . . . . * the answer is of course "blown him in the john" |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:32 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater You're probably right too, I haven't read the book in a while either. I remember him ranting endlessly about Nietzschean Marxism as responsible for all the world's ills.
I still can't believe that book sold a million copies. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:24 PM Author: Mildly autistic dilemma it's funny that we would ask philosophy students to read a lot of preliminary stuff for years before they approach wittgenstien, when wittgenstein himself was notorious for having read almost nothing outside of contemporary philosophy/logic + math.
he told his students that most philosophy was rubbish, and that they should come straight to his point and not bother with any of it.
reading ANYTHING by the typical undergrad is painful. i don't know if it matters whether they are writing about wittgenstein or something else. you either accept him as a departure point or you don't. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:34 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth I am talking about late Wittgenstein, for one thing. You think ANY one of these people I'm talking about has ever picked up the Tractatus? Ever? I mean even once. Except, maybe, to flip through, see that the paragraphs were numbered, say, "eww, gross," and then go back to "WHEEE, LANGUAGE GAMES!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543147) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:38 PM Author: pea-brained people who are hurt set u mad what's with the lack of sobriety lately |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:05 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth i mad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543780) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:40 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater Bullshit, since Wittgenstein is obviously heavily indebted to Schopenhauer. His views make much more sense in terms of S. His views on Spengler are pretty well documented too.
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:56 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater Man you guys sure do talk the nerd stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543275) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:58 PM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater I am going to get laid. Goodbye nerds!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543280) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:10 PM Author: Violet galvanic doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543354) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 5:40 PM Author: Cheese-eating Dog Poop Stage an abandonned mineshaft full of chilean miners? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543180) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:45 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess a fuckfest of bros helping bros soon as the lights go out no homo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543629) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:00 PM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage Another reason that modern social science is falling apart is that it must reject reality. After the end of the civil rights movements America patted itself on the back for rejecting what it saw as the bigoted and unjustified beliefs of the whites that had oppressed blacks for centuries. The problem with this is that many racist views are actually substantially correct. There is certainly a genetic IQ gap, and IQ measures what most of us would consider to be "intelligence". As a consequence of this and other unpalatable conclusions, modern social scientists live in a world of bullshit where they have to make up explanations for the conclusions they refuse to accept.
This has, in turn, led to the humanities becoming a tool of progressives without any real moral values. Feminists basically make up statistics and facts in order to get the laws they want adopted. Critical race theorists focus on "narratives" rather than "evidence". Since the rest of the people in the humanities have to wallow in the same pig shit in order to avoid accepting reality they can't stand up and call this nonsense what it is. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:08 PM Author: Indigo demanding principal's office really tough guy Spot on. This will all end when we know more about the human genome. Hard evidence like that will be too strong to discredit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543807) |
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Date: November 29th, 2010 5:11 AM Author: maroon state prole lol @ you conflating social sciences and the humanities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16673278) |
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Date: November 29th, 2010 5:14 AM Author: bonkers ebony theater stage alas, you were the only one that saw this. it's unfortunate since it was fantastic flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16673279) |
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Date: November 29th, 2010 5:18 AM Author: maroon state prole cool story bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16673281) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:01 PM Author: Violet galvanic doctorate the only class i withdrew from in college was some philosophy shit. there was some faggy british guy talking about feminist philosophy of science. fuck that shit, man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543298) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:12 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater LOL. Irigary. TTT in decline. Thankfully, Sokal ripped her a new asshole in his book Fashionable Nonsense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543368) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:17 PM Author: Violet galvanic doctorate yea. at the time i figured crushing recently-emptied beer cans against my head was a better use of my time. i think i was right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543395) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:28 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater Philosophy is pretty much a wasteland. Ditto lit crit.
Even most business courses teach you things you can learn inside of a weekend with a $50 Nolo book. |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 11:32 AM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater Lit crit=jobs for gays. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16547864) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:26 PM Author: Stirring university giraffe As evinced by UsajobsSupertroll's (2010) polemic contra Irigary, the language of the phallogocentric opponents of a feminist epistemology of science is one of anal territoriality, nonconsensual sexual domination, and violent suppression of the female voices in science. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543488) |
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Date: November 15th, 2010 2:45 AM Author: Lascivious Locus Windowlicker underrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16555123) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:18 PM Author: Yapping lay bbw I wish i had studied philosophy or cs seriously earlier in life. at most, i took a couple of ug courses, and read some philosophy compliations on my own. this was a huge disservice to myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543409) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:20 PM Author: chocolate generalized bond how was it a disservice? how would you have benefited from studying philosophy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543422) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:43 PM Author: Yapping lay bbw the amount of philosophy i read/studied was too little and too superficial a treatment for me to have derived any benefit beyond feeling frustrated at not fully understanding the development of theought, etc.
it was a disservice because i could have used that time/effort more constructively in better philosophy or cs classes which could have offered me the opportunity to understand thought and systems more clearly. instead, i've read a little of this, and a little of that, and understand a awhole lot of nothing more clearly. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:26 PM Author: bateful green house A lot of your posts here are self-critical. Are you depressed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543496) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:44 PM Author: Yapping lay bbw yes, but i thought board consensus was that i'm quite conceited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543618) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:29 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater Russel, History of Western Philosophy
Done. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:40 PM Author: Yapping lay bbw oh, ive read that, plus compliations on political philosophy, aesthetics, and ethics, along with some nietzsche and assorted existentialists. but this was never very satisying because 1)not studying it sequentially rendered me largely incapable of understanding how thought in these fields developed over time and across philosophers 2)did not provid eme with other necessary background info. 3)seemed too superficial a treatment of the material and 4)didn't offer me the opportunity to structure my own thought in any menaingful sense or exhange ideas with any competent philosophy students/instructors |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:51 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater What area of philosophy are you into?
Lucid Surveys on Pretentious Philosophers:
Russel. His treatment of Hegel is controversial and you should read Croce e.g. "What is living and dead in hegel?" or the recent Hegel bio by Pinkard to get the Continental view. Otherwise, brilliant.
Lossky is the credited Russian philo survey Kolakowski is the Marxist philo survey
Lit Crit/performance Culler, Very Short Introduction to Literary theory Carlson, Performance |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:57 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Listen, you're a liar. Okay? Russell's "The History of Western Philosophy" is enormous, and you haven't read it. You will continue to say that you have read it, but you have not. No one reads that book except by piecemeal. And if you've also read all of the "compilations on philosophy" that you've claimed, especially "political philosophy" (in which you've certainly encountered Hegel) and "assorted existentialists," then you certainly would have taken some exception to Russell's treatment of both when you mentioned having read him. But nary a word.
It's fine, just, stop. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:01 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater You ever read the Kolakowski? Great fucking series. I hate Marxism, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543745) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:03 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth I haven't, but this is actually the second time I've heard about it. If I hear about it a third time I might actually have to look into it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543757) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:07 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater Honestly, it's epic. He's a libertarian socialist philosopher from Poland who came to the conclusion that fucking hey, marxism inevitably leads to totalitarianism and not true socialism.
He then basically essentializes and summarizes hundreds of philosophical primary sources to go through every current of Marxism starting with Marx himself.
Absolutely amazing scholarship, too. I have no clue how many languages the guy must've known. It's the most impressive bit of intellectual history I've read behind Russel.
Under $20 on amazon. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:10 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Thank you very much. I am going to tack this to my "Marx" module that I get to in a few years.
I am trying to go through and re-acquaint myself with the broadest possible sweep through the widest possible arc of Western philosophy. I just started a month ago, and it's been a slog already. But perhaps one day. Anyway, besides fiction and poetry, I will not pick up another another non-periodical or non-work-related piece of non-fiction until this is over. We'll see how it goes. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:22 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater You reading anything good, bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543924) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2010 10:55 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess Wow she's quite the taskmistress (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16715289) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2010 11:01 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth lol. As if. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16715341) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:10 PM Author: Yapping lay bbw you're right, i've read it all out of order, in a fairly peicemeal fashion over the course of years. and i have certainly encountered russell, hegel, wittgenstein -- all those chaps. my issue is not that i have never enountered them -- but that i cannot make better sense of the material's relevance in a very structured manner for lack of better/more formal instruction. the only ones i really feel comfortable with are the xistentialists, mereley out of the sheer volume of that shit i've read. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543821) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:13 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth Well look, it's fine. I think you just need to focus on finding a husband. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543842) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:35 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16544000) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:55 PM Author: provocative goal in life heaven Subject: this is my favorite Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16544179) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 8:03 PM Author: Self-centered chestnut police squad theater "In our part of the world, where monogamy is in force, to marry means to halve one’s rights and to double one’s duties. When the laws granted woman the same rights as man, they should also have given her a masculine power of reason."
*shouts* What a scholar. |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:40 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess methinks you'd have been worse off. were you an international business major or what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543586) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:40 PM Author: Yapping lay bbw economics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543589) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:55 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth It's good that you didn't. You'd have wound up an Objectivist or some shit, somehow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543696) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:47 PM Author: sepia regret forum wtf is faen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543644) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:48 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess a cloud, perhaps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543648) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:54 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543694) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:56 PM Author: sepia regret forum *raises fists toward the sky* FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!! |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 6:48 PM Author: Massive canary theatre Is it a waste of money? Yes. The money we waste on sending kids to study humanities would be much better spent, e.g., helping orphan kids in Cambodia make lives for themselves. That said, if we gave the money back to the prestige-desperate people who pay for their kids to study humanities, they will direct it toward even more wasteful expenditures that are even closer to a zero sum game for prestige, with no increase in overall happiness at all. They will focus their competition more on Louis Vuitton bags and wedding rings, for example. Since we have lots of money to spend and no way to force wealthy people to use it in rational, ethical ways, we may as well support the humanities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543654) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:05 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth I think, if I were drunk, I would go ahead and say that employing an English professor is worse than buying a Louis Vuitton handbag. Worse for humanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543774) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:34 PM Author: Startled twinkling jewess English professor vs televangelist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543992) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:32 PM Author: Red glittery institution but it's humanities students who would sooner visit cambodia to help the orphans than buy louis vuitton bags. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16543973) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 8:09 PM Author: mint boiling water or waste tons of money on a frivolous grad school rather than actually contribute something to society (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16544333) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 8:12 PM Author: Red glittery institution i really regret not studying abroad in cambodia when i had the chance :/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16544355) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 12:57 AM Author: Dead Meetinghouse Personal Credit Line What? No. Make them learn something worthwhile or have fewer people in fucking higher ed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546649) |
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:44 PM Author: provocative goal in life heaven why do i have the feeling the initial part of this poast is actually a conversation between a guy and a couple of his alt personalities
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Date: November 13th, 2010 7:59 PM Author: Red glittery institution humanities should be taught as early as elementary school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16544222) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 12:17 AM Author: Startled twinkling jewess http://www.amazon.com/Really-Need-Know-Learned-Kindergarten/dp/080410526X (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546402) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 12:24 AM Author: concupiscible weed whacker shut the fuck up, faggots! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546438) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 12:41 AM Author: Laughsome area incel just helping you towards 200 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546553) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 12:56 AM Author: Dead Meetinghouse Personal Credit Line Humanities programs are being cut? Link? This would make my day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546642) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 1:04 AM Author: Laughsome area incel have been for years bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546685) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 11:33 AM Author: up-to-no-good wine shrine volcanic crater Nah, they make money for the college because there's no overhead and the tuition keeps on coming in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16547872) |
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Date: November 14th, 2010 1:05 AM Author: Cruel-hearted parlour idiot 200 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16546687) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2010 5:11 AM Author: 180 brunch corn cake Let me throw this one out just for kicks: Cosmology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16699710) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2010 11:11 PM Author: boyish brethren chapel yeah man but as a geologist i cant act smart on a message board and shit full of lawyers who majored in philosophy :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16715392) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2010 11:13 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth just say something geological man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16715408) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2010 11:14 PM Author: boyish brethren chapel clumped isotope stratigraphy radek (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16715418) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2010 11:14 PM Author: Wonderful misanthropic ticket booth holy shit ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16715420) |
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Date: December 4th, 2010 3:23 AM Author: boyish brethren chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1478815&forum_id=2#16717017) |