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So, got an offer for BIGLAW Staff Attorney

But they are saying I'd be exempt, so wouldn't get OT pay. ...
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
are you the poster who waited five months to here back after...
Wonderful Kitty Cat
  01/10/11
No
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
I normally don't do this, but here is not the same as hear.
wild party of the first part dilemma
  01/10/11
what kinda hourly u looking at
cerise odious chapel
  01/10/11
Staff attorneys are salaried at every firm I've every know t...
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
define your future role
turquoise hissy fit
  01/10/11
Basically a dedicated diligence/ doc review attorney
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
these pay like 90k-ish?
turquoise hissy fit
  01/10/11
lol
cerise odious chapel
  01/10/11
i'm a "star" midlevel who made close to 250k last ...
rusted razzle church
  01/10/11
Expect biglaw partners to treat you with less respect than t...
Demanding boltzmann cuckold
  01/10/11
I'm not trying to be a dick, but why would a "star"...
hyperactive marketing idea
  01/19/11
You are right at the range, yes.
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
That's like $40/hr. Does doc review really pay that well?
cerise odious chapel
  01/10/11
Hey MFE, I thought you were supposed to know all this shit.
wild party of the first part dilemma
  01/10/11
The glut of lawyers has surely pushed that figure down to $1...
cerise odious chapel
  01/10/11
MFE
exciting private investor
  01/10/11
yes this is true, staff attorneys can earn up to $100k to st...
excitant office
  01/10/11
shut the fuck up dickfaggot.
bisexual crimson brunch pocket flask
  01/10/11
this thread is depressing
Lavender travel guidebook
  01/10/11
Why? Staff attorney isn't a bad gig and I am an Associate a...
wild party of the first part dilemma
  01/10/11
it's not a career, brother. it's just a glorified temp job.
Lavender travel guidebook
  01/10/11
Depends on the firm. We have a couple of staff attorneys th...
wild party of the first part dilemma
  01/10/11
sounds horrible.
Lavender travel guidebook
  01/10/11
And yet your firm continues to hire lit associates. Why?
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
Who says we are hiring?
wild party of the first part dilemma
  01/10/11
Everyone.
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
Very weird trolling.
wild party of the first part dilemma
  01/10/11
I don't see how it is trolling. I mean you work for a perfe...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
LOL
cerise odious chapel
  01/10/11
it can be. my midlaw firm has staff attorneys that do a lot ...
big amber sweet tailpipe dopamine
  01/13/11
im sure it would get boring, but i often think id rather do ...
multi-colored patrolman kitchen
  01/10/11
Do you ADD fuckers actually read the OP instead of just comm...
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
Yes?
Lavender travel guidebook
  01/10/11
I thought the perks entailed 2 bathroom breaks a day and a p...
multi-colored patrolman kitchen
  01/10/11
Those are contract attorneys.
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
Staff attorneys are not hourly so they are professionals and...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
The payment arrangement is only part of the test. Some sala...
bronze bateful crackhouse
  01/14/11
no staff attorney that I know makes overtime. But they have...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
They never learn to litigate so its a career killer. WTF goo...
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
100k for mindless work and reasonable hours is a lot of xoxo...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
It doesnt last forever and when you finally get fired you ar...
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
There are a lot of people spreading outright lies on this in...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
except for everything.
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
SUP SHITLAW STEVE TROLLING FOR SHITLAW?
exciting private investor
  01/10/11
PSA - not all lawyers are litigators. And - that's simply...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or ...
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
Again - in most firms that I'm familiar with there are AT LE...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
lmao. You = delusional.
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
You = liar I possess facts.
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
I've been litigating for 7 years and have never defended a d...
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
Many firms call their staff attorneys "associates"...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
I can think of one firm (i think) that does this and it is t...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
I was being responsive to steve's comment and the response i...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
"MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to cou...
Cerebral rigpig
  01/10/11
"if you never go to court or handle depositions you are...
bronze bateful crackhouse
  01/14/11
lol
coiffed disturbing business firm goal in life
  01/10/11
This has to be a myth, ala MIDLAW. Seems like a great opp...
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
It's not a myth- I have two good friends who are staff attor...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
Awesome.
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
The real problem is that staff attorneys are not people to m...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
Yea, I have no doubt I'd be the first to be cut if economy g...
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
wait, then what the fuck is the point of getting a law degre...
excitant office
  01/10/11
bingo.
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
Again - untrue. many firms converted a LOT of associates to...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
This is complete BS. Plenty of firms got rid of 100% of thei...
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
I could name at least 5 v100 firms that demoted associates t...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
Please do.
sable hominid dog poop
  01/10/11
McDermott Will & Emery converted a bunch of first year a...
bright glittery ticket booth faggotry
  01/13/11
Just because your firm demoted associates to "legal ass...
ebony fear-inspiring national security agency
  01/10/11
You know - you guys want to believe whatever you want instea...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
FBD this is true. I agree some limited number of firms conv...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
I'm not saying that some staff attorneys weren't laid off - ...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
We are talking relative terms. On a percentage basis you we...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
No way.
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
Yes way. It was a slaughter at a lot of firms. Firms basic...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
large swaths of associates weren't laid off? Where have you...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
No firm fired more than 10-20 percent of it's associates and...
soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage
  01/10/11
Most firms reported 10-20% but counting all the stealths, pu...
fragrant legal warrant
  01/13/11
except Latham which fired and laid off 40%.
exhilarant black locale macaca
  01/19/11
For the record, Latham had already done all that in 2007. M...
fragrant legal warrant
  01/13/11
Neither are associates. They probably kept the junior associ...
Demanding boltzmann cuckold
  01/10/11
congrats dood. hoap its a chill lifetyle!
Swashbuckling tank
  01/10/11
And yes, I am worried about exit options and the like, but I...
Pale senate stain
  01/10/11
what's the hesitation if you've been out of work for a year?...
bistre disgusting turdskin station
  01/10/11
ya broski, jump on this shit
turquoise hissy fit
  01/10/11
If you have been trying and failing to get work as an associ...
aromatic milky public bath
  01/10/11
How did you get this?
Cerebral rigpig
  01/10/11
tcq
twinkling frozen native
  01/13/11
i know staff attorneys who are wokred has hard as regular as...
vengeful rigor
  01/10/11
Our staff attorneys are salaried and they certainly don't wo...
aromatic milky public bath
  01/10/11
do biglaw staff attorneys all have biglaw associate type cre...
costumed coral national
  01/10/11
GW top 30% so they have biglaw credentials circa 2007
exciting private investor
  01/10/11
You are going to be paid 1/2 to do as much work as an associ...
Mind-boggling Background Story Gaping
  01/11/11
I would guess it depends on the firm
Blue Domesticated Son Of Senegal
  01/11/11
I am sure it's universal. What incentive to they have NOT...
Mind-boggling Background Story Gaping
  01/11/11
seems like a bad long-term move. you get shitty experience. ...
amethyst heady psychic garrison
  01/12/11
how did you get this job, brother?
twinkling frozen native
  01/13/11
...
twinkling frozen native
  01/13/11
Lol, desperate faggot
Mind-boggling Background Story Gaping
  01/14/11
uh, how is looking into staff attorney positions any more de...
twinkling frozen native
  01/17/11
The job itself is not desperate, it's actually a good job im...
Mind-boggling Background Story Gaping
  01/18/11
and desperation is rare ITE, or something? i'm interested in...
twinkling frozen native
  01/19/11
Fair to say that there are plenty of desperate people ITE wh...
Cerebral rigpig
  01/19/11
stfu
Cerebral rigpig
  01/17/11
id do anything for this type of job but they would never con...
costumed coral national
  01/17/11
why not?
twinkling frozen native
  01/17/11
TT median
costumed coral national
  01/17/11
that was basically a lock for staff atty type jobs in 2006 2...
slate learning disabled field stock car
  01/19/11
2006-2007 was another world, brother.
Cerebral rigpig
  01/19/11
i hear even a few 5'2 aspies from shitstain T14's got biglaw...
slate learning disabled field stock car
  01/19/11
Right around median, not 5'2" but yes, and I'll even ra...
Cerebral rigpig
  01/19/11
*below median there, fixed that for you.
slate learning disabled field stock car
  01/19/11
Oh, you're one of those faggots that has nothing to do but a...
Cerebral rigpig
  01/19/11
post your grades course by course.
slate learning disabled field stock car
  01/19/11
Why don't I just post my 1L GPA? 3.3.
Cerebral rigpig
  01/19/11
3.3 is below median at NU. like texas, NU has a relatively i...
slate learning disabled field stock car
  01/19/11
It is 3.3 (3.2-3.4 - it isn't a set number but there are ran...
Cerebral rigpig
  01/19/11
incoherent. NU has a 3.4 median. you were below median by a ...
slate learning disabled field stock car
  01/19/11
LOL, you don't even know how NU's curve works. http://media...
Cerebral rigpig
  01/19/11
lol @ not even being able to click "view image." y...
slate learning disabled field stock car
  01/19/11
Man, the saddest thing about the internet is that I won't ge...
Cerebral rigpig
  01/19/11
I'd kill for this job
appetizing aggressive twinkling uncleanness
  01/19/11
what are you doing when your clerkship is up? MDH can't get ...
slate learning disabled field stock car
  01/19/11


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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:29 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

But they are saying I'd be exempt, so wouldn't get OT pay.

Is this normal? I thought staff attorneys usually were non-exempt and entitled to OT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021907)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:31 PM
Author: Wonderful Kitty Cat

are you the poster who waited five months to here back after interview

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021938)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:33 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021959)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:49 PM
Author: wild party of the first part dilemma

I normally don't do this, but here is not the same as hear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022147)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:34 PM
Author: cerise odious chapel

what kinda hourly u looking at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021982)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

Staff attorneys are salaried at every firm I've every know to have them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022396)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:34 PM
Author: turquoise hissy fit

define your future role

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021988)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:35 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

Basically a dedicated diligence/ doc review attorney

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17021997)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:40 PM
Author: turquoise hissy fit

these pay like 90k-ish?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022053)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:42 PM
Author: cerise odious chapel

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022069)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:43 PM
Author: rusted razzle church

i'm a "star" midlevel who made close to 250k last year with bonus and i would kill for that job if it had any security.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022078)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:24 PM
Author: Demanding boltzmann cuckold

Expect biglaw partners to treat you with less respect than they would a Thai whore. At least they might have a future use for the whore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023786)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:40 PM
Author: hyperactive marketing idea

I'm not trying to be a dick, but why would a "star" anything be so desperate for a job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092309)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:48 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

You are right at the range, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022137)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:50 PM
Author: cerise odious chapel

That's like $40/hr. Does doc review really pay that well?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022153)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:51 PM
Author: wild party of the first part dilemma

Hey MFE, I thought you were supposed to know all this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022158)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:53 PM
Author: cerise odious chapel

The glut of lawyers has surely pushed that figure down to $12-18/hr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022169)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:22 PM
Author: exciting private investor

MFE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023755)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 9:57 PM
Author: excitant office

yes this is true, staff attorneys can earn up to $100k to start, don't know if that figure goes up after years put in, also don't know what the hours required are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023546)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:28 PM
Author: bisexual crimson brunch pocket flask

shut the fuck up dickfaggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024353)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:41 PM
Author: Lavender travel guidebook

this thread is depressing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022055)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:50 PM
Author: wild party of the first part dilemma

Why? Staff attorney isn't a bad gig and I am an Associate at a V50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022151)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:52 PM
Author: Lavender travel guidebook

it's not a career, brother. it's just a glorified temp job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022164)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:53 PM
Author: wild party of the first part dilemma

Depends on the firm. We have a couple of staff attorneys that were senior assocaites that had kids and then came back as staff attorneys. They are well liked/respected and work the hours they want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022172)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:54 PM
Author: Lavender travel guidebook

sounds horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022179)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:55 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

And yet your firm continues to hire lit associates. Why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022182)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:56 PM
Author: wild party of the first part dilemma

Who says we are hiring?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022191)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:11 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

Everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022298)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:12 PM
Author: wild party of the first part dilemma

Very weird trolling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022308)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:19 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

I don't see how it is trolling. I mean you work for a perfectly respectable firm which has weathered the storm as well as any other.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022363)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:55 PM
Author: cerise odious chapel

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022183)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 3:09 AM
Author: big amber sweet tailpipe dopamine

it can be. my midlaw firm has staff attorneys that do a lot more than doc review. they are basically just people who work less hours and get paid less, but do similar shit as associates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042921)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 7:52 PM
Author: multi-colored patrolman kitchen

im sure it would get boring, but i often think id rather do that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022163)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:17 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

Do you ADD fuckers actually read the OP instead of just commenting on the fucking threat title? Anyone have any answers for my question?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022355)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:21 PM
Author: Lavender travel guidebook

Yes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022379)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: multi-colored patrolman kitchen

I thought the perks entailed 2 bathroom breaks a day and a peak out a window once a week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022394)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:24 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

Those are contract attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022406)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:22 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

Staff attorneys are not hourly so they are professionals and exempt at every firm I know that has them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022388)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 12:03 AM
Author: bronze bateful crackhouse

The payment arrangement is only part of the test. Some salaried employees (salaried non-exempt) get overtime.

Lawyers are salaried professionals who are exempt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050426)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:23 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

no staff attorney that I know makes overtime. But they have very reasonable billable requirements and opportunity to earn a bonus above the billables. So it's not a bad deal all-in-all if you want a balanced life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022400)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:25 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

They never learn to litigate so its a career killer. WTF good is a balanced life if you are permanently useless?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022419)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:26 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

100k for mindless work and reasonable hours is a lot of xoxo dream.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022436)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:28 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

It doesnt last forever and when you finally get fired you are unemployable. Its only any okay option for moms who really dont give a shit about their careers. When I see males taking these jobs I cringe. These kids really would be better off in shitlaw, taking home 60k, but learning how to do actual litigation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022468)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

There are a lot of people spreading outright lies on this interwebs - please don't contribute. Nothing in your post is true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022482)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

except for everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022493)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:24 PM
Author: exciting private investor

SUP SHITLAW STEVE TROLLING FOR SHITLAW?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023787)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:27 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

PSA - not all lawyers are litigators.

And - that's simply not true that staff attorneys can't litigate or participate at any level of legal work. They will be used to the extent of their abilities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022459)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills. You = useless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022481)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:32 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

Again - in most firms that I'm familiar with there are AT LEAST as many transactional attorneys as litigators - most have many more transactional attorneys than litigators.

And staff attorneys are given assignments they are capable of handling including depositions and going to court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022501)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:33 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

lmao. You = delusional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022510)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:34 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

You = liar

I possess facts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022528)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:38 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

I've been litigating for 7 years and have never defended a depo against a staff attorney. Aside from them showing up for retarded scheduling conferences I've never even seen a staff attorney in court. You are full of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022576)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:39 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

Many firms call their staff attorneys "associates" and to the outside world they are associates and "staff attorney" is an internal record keeping matter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022598)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:41 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

I can think of one firm (i think) that does this and it is totally non-responsive to my comment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022618)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:44 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

I was being responsive to steve's comment and the response is you would never necessarily know whether the attorney working opposite of you is an "associate" or a "staff attorney" based on the title on their business card, the cut of their suit, the type of briefcase that they care or the make of their tie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022660)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:27 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

"MOST lawyers are litigators and if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills. You = useless."

This reads like an LSAT question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024334)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 12:05 AM
Author: bronze bateful crackhouse

"if you never go to court or handle depositions you are not learning litigation skills."

Court appearances and depositions are a pretty small portion of litigation. Motion practice massively swamps both. Of course, I'm talking about nonshitlaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050450)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: coiffed disturbing business firm goal in life

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022484)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:27 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

This has to be a myth, ala MIDLAW.

Seems like a great opportunity for a firm to hire a desperate attorney, pay them 1/2 a 1st year associate, and have them work 80 hours a week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022453)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

It's not a myth- I have two good friends who are staff attorneys. One comes in every day at 8 and leaves at 5 - the other keeps more flexible hours, but bills 35 or so a week.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022469)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

Awesome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022479)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

The real problem is that staff attorneys are not people to most firms so they are the first to be cut. During ITE many firms fired all their staff attorneys or a much higher percentage than associates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022483)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

Yea, I have no doubt I'd be the first to be cut if economy goes sour.

But I'm hoping I can at least stick it out 2-3 years and pay down some loans and just get the hell out of law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022494)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:17 PM
Author: excitant office

wait, then what the fuck is the point of getting a law degree?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023687)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:31 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

bingo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022495)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:33 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

Again - untrue. many firms converted a LOT of associates to staff attorneys and kept their staff attorneys because they could bill them at a lower rate when clients were screaming about bills. Staff attorneys are probably more recession proof.

Also, there is not up or out for staff attorneys. If you continue to be profitable to the firm they'll keep you around forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022521)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:35 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

This is complete BS. Plenty of firms got rid of 100% of their staff attorneys. Practically ZERO firms went around demoting associates to staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022545)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:36 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

I could name at least 5 v100 firms that demoted associates to staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022560)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:38 PM
Author: sable hominid dog poop

Please do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022579)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 9:36 PM
Author: bright glittery ticket booth faggotry

McDermott Will & Emery converted a bunch of first year associate offers to staff attorney offers back in '09.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17049056)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:42 PM
Author: ebony fear-inspiring national security agency

Just because your firm demoted associates to "legal assistants" doesn't mean it's an industry-wide practice. Firms that don't advertise on the condom dispensers at truck stops have staff attorneys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022638)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:46 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

You know - you guys want to believe whatever you want instead of listening to someone who knows better. That's fine. I'm done fighting you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022678)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:36 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

FBD this is true. I agree some limited number of firms converted associates to staff attorney, but most fired many staff attorneys. Read the ATL articles from that time period.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022556)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:37 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

I'm not saying that some staff attorneys weren't laid off - but the idea that somehow you were safe as an associate and definitely fired as a staff attorney is laughably untrue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022572)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:39 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

We are talking relative terms. On a percentage basis you were much better off as an associate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022591)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:40 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

No way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022606)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:43 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

Yes way. It was a slaughter at a lot of firms. Firms basically put underused juniors on doc review/dd and fired staff attorneys and cut their use of contract attorneys to avoid firing a large swath of associates. Except Latham of course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022645)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:45 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

large swaths of associates weren't laid off? Where have you been?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022666)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:48 PM
Author: soul-stirring orchid immigrant stage

No firm fired more than 10-20 percent of it's associates and a lot of good firms at most ramped up forcing people out and did not can a lot of people. A number of firms fired 100 percent of staff attorneys. How do you like dem apples.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022699)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 1:53 AM
Author: fragrant legal warrant

Most firms reported 10-20% but counting all the stealths, push outs, long runways for departures for seniors, etc. it was probably upwards of 20% for the v100 on average. Firms like Latham cut a third of their associates if you total up everyone starting the clock at Bear Stearns and run it through the end of 2009. But you're right in this argument that it was still worse to be a staff attorney.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042680)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:34 PM
Author: exhilarant black locale macaca

except Latham which fired and laid off 40%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092252)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 1:50 AM
Author: fragrant legal warrant

For the record, Latham had already done all that in 2007. Most of the 2007 first year class was essentially a huge doc review team for the entire year leading up to Lehman. It was absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042674)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:27 PM
Author: Demanding boltzmann cuckold

Neither are associates. They probably kept the junior associates to do the work of more senior associates they fired/forced out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023816)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:29 PM
Author: Swashbuckling tank

congrats dood. hoap its a chill lifetyle!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022475)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:30 PM
Author: Pale senate stain

And yes, I am worried about exit options and the like, but I've been out of work for over a year and this is the first thing I"ve landed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022485)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:35 PM
Author: bistre disgusting turdskin station

what's the hesitation if you've been out of work for a year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022541)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:17 PM
Author: turquoise hissy fit

ya broski, jump on this shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023691)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:19 PM
Author: aromatic milky public bath

If you have been trying and failing to get work as an associate for a year I really don't think you can afford to be picky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023725)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 11:27 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

How did you get this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17024343)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 12:20 AM
Author: twinkling frozen native

tcq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17042194)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 8:45 PM
Author: vengeful rigor

i know staff attorneys who are wokred has hard as regular associates. they just make them do the mind numbing work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17022668)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:19 PM
Author: aromatic milky public bath

Our staff attorneys are salaried and they certainly don't work as hard as regular associates. They do however get all the shit jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023714)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:21 PM
Author: costumed coral national

do biglaw staff attorneys all have biglaw associate type credentials

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023740)



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Date: January 10th, 2011 10:27 PM
Author: exciting private investor

GW top 30% so they have biglaw credentials circa 2007

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17023820)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:38 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Background Story Gaping

You are going to be paid 1/2 to do as much work as an associate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17030988)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:39 PM
Author: Blue Domesticated Son Of Senegal

I would guess it depends on the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17031001)



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Date: January 11th, 2011 7:41 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Background Story Gaping

I am sure it's universal.

What incentive to they have NOT to work you like a damn dog? At least in boom times for associates if they work you TOO hard they will lateral.

Staff attorneys don't have that option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17031013)



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Date: January 12th, 2011 10:39 PM
Author: amethyst heady psychic garrison

seems like a bad long-term move. you get shitty experience. what do you bring to an employer later when you get laid off?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17041216)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 4:08 PM
Author: twinkling frozen native

how did you get this job, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17046322)



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Date: January 13th, 2011 11:58 PM
Author: twinkling frozen native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17050365)



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Date: January 14th, 2011 2:04 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Background Story Gaping

Lol, desperate faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17053687)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:41 PM
Author: twinkling frozen native

uh, how is looking into staff attorney positions any more desperate than you taking a non-legal job with a nonprofit? like you, i'm just doing what i can to get by.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079665)



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Date: January 18th, 2011 10:06 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Background Story Gaping

The job itself is not desperate, it's actually a good job imo.

You continuing to bump this thread reeks of desperation though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17082271)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:25 PM
Author: twinkling frozen native

and desperation is rare ITE, or something? i'm interested in how this particular dood got this particular job because his school/grades seem to be similar to my own. i also thought some others might be able to weigh in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092180)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

Fair to say that there are plenty of desperate people ITE who would be biglaw pre-ITE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092217)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

stfu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079697)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:43 PM
Author: costumed coral national

id do anything for this type of job but they would never consider me for it :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079692)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: twinkling frozen native

why not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079696)



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Date: January 17th, 2011 11:44 PM
Author: costumed coral national

TT median

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17079710)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:27 PM
Author: slate learning disabled field stock car

that was basically a lock for staff atty type jobs in 2006 2007.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092200)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:34 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

2006-2007 was another world, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092254)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:35 PM
Author: slate learning disabled field stock car

i hear even a few 5'2 aspies from shitstain T14's got biglaw in spite of having for shit below median grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092258)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:37 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

Right around median, not 5'2" but yes, and I'll even raise you one "terrible personality".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092283)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:38 PM
Author: slate learning disabled field stock car

*below median

there, fixed that for you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092292)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:41 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

Oh, you're one of those faggots that has nothing to do but argue about my 1L grades back in the middle part of the last decade. And no, it was median.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092328)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:42 PM
Author: slate learning disabled field stock car

post your grades course by course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092332)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:44 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

Why don't I just post my 1L GPA? 3.3.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092359)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:45 PM
Author: slate learning disabled field stock car

3.3 is below median at NU. like texas, NU has a relatively inflated median of around 3.4 or above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092369)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:49 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

It is 3.3 (3.2-3.4 - it isn't a set number but there are ranges for grades).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092404)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:51 PM
Author: slate learning disabled field stock car

incoherent. NU has a 3.4 median. you were below median by a full tenth.

http://i.imgur.com/9a0T1.gif

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092421)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:52 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

LOL, you don't even know how NU's curve works. http://media.photobucket.com/image/oh%20u%20mad/rastabori/Stlying.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092432)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:53 PM
Author: slate learning disabled field stock car

lol @ not even being able to click "view image." you got biglaw with below median, so good job. you will never get back 2 biglaw, so killself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092447)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:58 PM
Author: Cerebral rigpig

Man, the saddest thing about the internet is that I won't get to actually see your face when I get back in the game. But don't worry, I know you'll be mad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092483)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: appetizing aggressive twinkling uncleanness

I'd kill for this job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092211)



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Date: January 19th, 2011 2:29 PM
Author: slate learning disabled field stock car

what are you doing when your clerkship is up? MDH can't get you a staff atty job at his biglaw firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1532079&forum_id=2#17092219)