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Date: April 13th, 2005 11:44 PM Author: Idiotic University
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2554244) |
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Date: April 16th, 2005 3:38 AM Author: Hilarious mind-boggling pervert
Its funny that this board has some of the most racist, sexist, vulgar shit you can find... You would think such a board might have mercy on an activist questioning why Scalia believes there is no right to privacy, by asking an invasive question of Scalia himself, on the very topic of sodomy, to witch Scalia believes privacy law is wholly inapplicable.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2569023)
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Date: April 13th, 2005 11:45 PM Author: massive fuchsia station pistol
Just gay clerks, hopefully.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2554256) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 11:26 AM Author: Citrine Diverse Field Skinny Woman
Scalia is justified. NYU is a TTT of morons. Even the students at Michigan know how to comport themselves better.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556668) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 11:29 AM Author: Orchid hyperactive brunch
holy shit. i'm surprised that guy isn't already 187ed for that stunt. NYUers who were being respectful gotta be pissed off
lynch time?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556676) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 11:41 AM Author: Orchid hyperactive brunch
predictions? I'm gonna say NYU falls at least to UC next year in rankings
bye bye to the coveted #5
you just don't get snaps for being an asshole
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556710) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 11:31 AM Author: Ocher ticket booth
I have a prof who's friends with an NYU prof who was at the event and helped cut the mike. The school's officially not doing anything. This prof, however, is making it her personal vendetta to get him slapped around.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556682) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 11:44 AM Author: spectacular base prole
did scalia really officially say he wont hire any NYU students for the next five years or is this just hyperbole?
the student was an asswipe regardless - there are different more respectful ways of getting points across.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556718) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 11:48 AM Author: cerebral friendly grandma public bath
I dont know about that.
I do know Barkow said that Scalia will probably never come back to NYU again.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556730) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 11:45 AM Author: Orchid hyperactive brunch
the name needs to get out so every firm this person ever tries to work for knows about them. i don't have a problem with liberal gays but this is common decency.
needless to say they never *will* be able to get in with SCOTUS (ever)
although NYU should have done something instead of being silent. silence is just as bad as condoning it. student should have been suspended
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556723) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:01 PM Author: copper yapping meetinghouse
He's a 2L.
The rumor has been that the dean personally invited members of OutLaw to attend the event to protest when they couldn't get in through the lottery, and some people have speculated that this guy was one of the ones invited in. No confirmation on that yet though.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556774) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:41 PM Author: copper yapping meetinghouse
What a TTT dean.
I'm surprised whether he was an invite or not hasn't come out yet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556957) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 12:28 PM Author: Free-loading Insane Office
http://www.nypost.com/gossip/44524.htm
"The audience was shocked, especially since Mrs. Scalia [Maureen] was in attendance."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556886) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 12:33 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
It'd be gay to disqualify all NYU students because a of a couple of assbags.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556911) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:39 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
A lot of those people weren't NYU Law students.
Even if 20 students were cussing him out, why should he reject the clerkship applications of conservative NYU students?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556950) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:07 AM Author: talented old irish cottage
"Even if 20 students were cussing him out, why should he reject the clerkship applications of conservative NYU students?"
To send a powerful message about decorum. And it looks like it's working.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2562968) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:41 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
That message is already clear.
There's no point in disadvantaging legitimate, respectful clerkship applicants merely because they happened to be classmates with a few people who went nuts.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556960) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:42 PM Author: copper yapping meetinghouse
How is the message clear?
The Dean hasn't done shit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556967) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:52 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
What is the dean supposed to do about it, beyond writing a letter to Scalia and publicly apologizing (which he should do)? He can't tell law students what they can and cannot say. That'd just inflame the protestor-types, making any problem worse.
My point about the message is that it's clear that no one supports those who acted out of line -- they are being condemned by their peers (the strongest message you can get at a professional school).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557024) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:58 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
I'm not sure he should say anything beyond an appreciation for Scalia's graciousness during his visit to the law school.
NYU Law, as an institution, is not responsible for an inappropriate question asked by one or two of its law students. No law school should start down the road of believing it has to justify or account for what all of its students say.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557064) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 2:00 PM Author: razzle shivering party of the first part locale
"No law school should start down the road of believing it has to justify or account for what all of its students say."
Bullshit. If Elie Weisel had spoken at NYU, and an invited guest student had given him a "heil hitler" salute, I'm sure the dean (and everyone else on the administration) would've been tripping over themselves to apologize.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557377) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:59 PM Author: Glittery Native
It was the act of one student, and one the rest of the student body does not condone. He needs to address his comments to only one student, not the entire student body. Why would he have to make a statement? That makes no sense.
Not to mention that if one student making one inappropriate comment can color the Justice's decisions as to whether or not hire qualified classmates who have nothing to do with the event, then you know that the Supreme Court clearly cannot distinguish the personal from the professional. I, however, have more faith than that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557071) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:10 AM Author: talented old irish cottage
"What is the dean supposed to do about it"
As I suggested yesterday, the administration should commission is political cartoon lampooning the moron.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2562989) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:09 AM Author: talented old irish cottage
"There's no point in disadvantaging legitimate, respectful clerkship applicants"
Yes, there is. It says, "look, fuckwads, if you do stupid things, you'll not only hurt yourself, but you'll hurt your school and your peers, so even if the cost/benefit calculus of being a dipshit is in your favor, it may not be good for others." And that additional potential harm will tend to reduce undecourus behavior.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2562982) |
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Date: April 16th, 2005 3:28 AM Author: poppy odious faggotry
"And that additional potential harm will tend to reduce undecourus behavior."
you obviously fancy yourself quite "decorous." that's fine; and i assume it's more important to you that you've conveyed that than an utterly uninformed behavioral theory.
if you've ever been in school with true radicals, you would know they have no interest in things like clerking. and the opportunity to undermine it would be nothing but incitement.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2569002) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:45 PM Author: Idiotic University
It happens all the time too, if a judge has a bad experience with a clerk from a school or a firm has a bad experience with a student from a school in which they dont normally recruit.
They blackball the school.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556983) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:11 PM Author: Idiotic University
I cant imagine they dont let their personal biases in, assuming 2 equal applicants.
We already know Scalia does.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557131) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:13 PM Author: Idiotic University
Maybe, if there was another applicant of the same credential level.
We'll never know though.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557143) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 12:46 PM Author: Glittery Native
Sheesh people... it was one guy who said that one comment that was inappropriate. No students present clapped or otherwise showed any kind of support for his behavior. Should he have shown more respect towards a Supreme Court Justice? Of course. Do many, including me, wish he never said it? Again, yes. But it is becoming rather funny (and sad) how this board (and only this board) has totally blown this out of proportion. So one guy makes an inappropriate comment that the student body as a whole disapproves of, but it blackballs NYU from the Supreme Court? Gee... I'm sure that's very likely.
As for the protesters, that is a completely separate topic. They were protesting that he was being honored, which they felt was undeserved. Sure, the yelling was distracting, but hey, it's a protest. Even Michigan had protests against him too.
Now everyone seems to be blending these topics. It's like the telephone game... this is all hear-say and it just gets more and more warped the more it's talked about. Pretty soon we'll be blaming a middle eastern country...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2556986) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:51 PM Author: Glittery Native
I didn't say only this board was outraged. I said only this board blows it out of proportion.
It's fine to be outraged by the incident. Many students at NYU are too. But take it for what it is: just an isolated incident with one student making an inappropriate and crass comment.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557008) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:57 PM Author: Pearl cracking filthpig
Alright GTO - even you have to take pause for a moment when you re-read what you just wrote: "..it's in Drudge, the NY Post, and countless blogs." Are you kidding me? Both Drudge and NYP are conservative scum (much like Scalia) and "countless blogs" is still a infinitely small percentage of the bloggosphere.
Nobody else is making that big a deal out of it. If Wonkette gave it nothing more than passing notice, it isn't a big deal.
Besides, the guy is best friends with Cheney - I'm sure he's accustomed to that sort of language. And last, look at him! One look at that beady little face... I'll bet he does do that, though I'm not sure Maureen likes it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557059) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:52 PM Author: Fragrant police squad immigrant Subject: the righteous indignation...
...on the part of conservatives, especially coming off Terri Schiavo and some of their repeated, heated, even violent threats against the judiciary, is quite amusing.
yes, it was obnoxious, but no, it doesn't merit collective punishment or even this level of outrage.
two days later==BFD
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557023) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 12:40 AM Author: talking awkward generalized bond
I expect all of the justices would be angered that Scalia was treated this way. It was an insult to the court as an institution, and no judge should have his or her family impugned because of a legal interpretation. Also, the conservative and liberal justices tend to be fairly friendly with each other.
They aren't like members of congress who have to fight each other for their jobs every couple of years. They have to work with each other for decades and they have fewer political pressures. I suspect because of this familiarity, they will all take offense at this behavior, and I would not be surprised if it does have a dampening effect on federal clerkships from NYU this year.
At the very least, justices will be less likely to speak here in the future, and that's a huge disservice to the school and to the students here. One of the primary functions of a top law school is to be a forum for debates on important legal issues, and that means that some people are going to hear arguments they don't like, from people they disagree with. If they can't learn to deal with that, they don't belong here.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2561948) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:56 PM Author: Fragrant police squad immigrant
I doubt there's much liberal outrage still outstanding about this. what would be the point?
besides, we have that fesTTTering a-hole of TTTom DeLay to humiliate next. shouldn't be too tough.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557050) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:03 PM Author: Fragrant police squad immigrant
annoyed, obnoxed, disappointed, but I don't think there's much outrage coming from this left end of the spectrum.
Scalia is no pariah.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557094) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 12:57 PM Author: Fragrant police squad immigrant
STFU--I go to NYU and was at the event.
fuckwad.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557055) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:01 PM Author: Idiotic University
Fine. Hurt your TTT. I dont care. First your Dean is gone, then the faculty exodus, now this.
Columbia never looked like an easier choice.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557085) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:04 PM Author: Fragrant police squad immigrant
enjoy Harlem.
we got Issacharoff from Columbia, so suck it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557099) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:12 PM Author: Glittery Native
I'm surprised you would even pursue this... you should know better considering all the Leiter blog updates.
The last time there was lateral movement between the two schools was in the late 1980's. So sure, even if Columbia has taken NYU professors, this was way before NYU's rise and so long ago that I have to wonder why anyone would care. Why would you even bring it up as a point?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557134) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:06 PM Author: Idiotic University
I'm not too worried.
Isnt NYU a state school?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557106) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:12 PM Author: exciting location
That is a good point -- this comment was childish and disrespectful, but it wasn't nearly as offensive as, say, saying during a Congressional session that it makes sense that judges' families are getting murdered in light of the activist opinions they keep writing.
Sheesh -- where's the outrage over that?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557135) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:14 PM Author: Wonderful menage
was that Delay?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557147)
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:16 PM Author: exciting location
I believe DeLay said "They'll get what's coming to them" or "these men are going to pay for what they've done," and didn't come as close to saying that it's understandable that people want to shoot judges.
Edit: it was "The time will come when the men resposible for this will have to answer for their behavior." It was Sen. Cornyn who suggested that judges are bringing violence on themselves by being activists.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557157) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:20 PM Author: Wonderful menage
I think he is now feeling the backlash and the heat is being put on him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557165) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:20 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
He had to apologize because the his party leadership was pissed. I grinned.
What a little varmint.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557173) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:21 PM Author: Pearl cracking filthpig
If it wasn't such a big deal then why is the scumbag apologizing for that comment today? (albeit a lameass apology where he says he didn't mean it).
Delay is scums scum. i'd love to see anyone try to defend him. Republican congressmen are event getting tired of it
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557175) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:24 PM Author: Pearl cracking filthpig
Cornyn's statement was 10X worse then Delay, believe it or not:
don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. . . . And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage in, engage in violence.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557190) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 2:58 PM Author: Ivory Cheese-eating Site
This hasn't been blown out of proportion.
HTH.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557658) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 12:49 PM Author: offensive point stain
why are all you people on Scalia's nutsack? It was a legitimate question.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557001) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:08 PM Author: Fragrant police squad immigrant
no, at least Big Bill would have had a pimpin' comeback:
"only 'cause she begs for it"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557117) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:10 PM Author: Wonderful menage
I think I would too.
He would probably just get a big smile on his face and light a cigar.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557127) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:09 PM Author: Pearl cracking filthpig
Fat Rush Limbaugh would be dancing in the streets of West Palm beach while the entire GOP contingent of the US senate would pass some congratulatory resolution to whomever did it. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.
Scalia has it coming, frankly.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557121) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:11 PM Author: Wonderful menage
Bullshit, to both points.
Everyone loves to feign outrage.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557133) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 1:33 PM Author: cerebral friendly grandma public bath
My problem is that the Dean has refused to even suggest that the comments in the Q&A or the shouting and bullhorns outside are innapropriate.
And people need to understand that there is a difference between protesting and disrupting the speech of others. liberals who support academic freedom should know the difference between criticizing scalia for his views and saying those views are not welcome on campus, and then trying to silence him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557252) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:40 PM Author: Pearl cracking filthpig
Conservatives should understand that when you mount a full scale attack on all things moderate through liberal, at some point people are going to turn and fight. Why should the dean tell his students off? Typcally its conservatives who push for a patronizing educational system wherein permission must be granted to express opinion. (I'd note that i don't actually believe in actions like this student took becayse i don't view it as helpful or effective, but he's got every right to do it given the chance).
#1 Peeve with conservatives -- they constantly accuse the left of being whiners, yet they themselves are the biggest whinging crybabies you'd ever see. suck it up. a student asked a politically charged question. frankly, Scalia should anser it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557291) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:51 PM Author: Citrine Diverse Field Skinny Woman
"a politically charged question" -- ha ha, I think you mean a question about his sexual practices.
The problem isn't just the question. It's also the way liberals like you seem to think it should be characterized as a valid question.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557335) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 2:43 PM Author: cerebral friendly grandma public bath
How about the students blowing airhorns and chanting fuck scalia at the window when the presentation was going on?
that was not protest, that was disruption.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557589) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 2:54 PM Author: magical fighting range
Why? Because Scalia might hear it and find it offensive?
Unless they were actually so loud that the presentation could not be conducted over the noise, that isn't really disruption.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557633) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 1:55 PM Author: Idiotic University
Whether the dean should tell the students off depends on whether NYU as an institution is more interested in civil discourse and its positive effects on the exchange of ideas or battling conservativism.
Your peeve sounds like whining, by the way.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557346) |
Date: April 14th, 2005 2:16 PM Author: magical fighting range
My two cents: this was a juvenile act by the individual student, but hardly an occasion for outrage. And I don't see what NYU as an institution would be apologizing for--failing to predict that one of their students was going to act like a moron?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557462) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 2:57 PM Author: magical fighting range
That's an odd definition of "encouraging" (that every time we don't discourage something, we therefore encourage it).
That would only plausibly make sense if it was somehow the general duty of law schools to comment on the proprety of what their students do, and that NYU was somehow selectively deciding not to fulfill that duty in this particular case. Otherwise, they are not "encouraging" the behavior in any normal sense.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557647) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 2:58 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
I don't think it encourages any behavior. It might not discourage it, but this is a law school, not middle school. These are adults, not children. I just don't see what can be done.
What kind of censure is a university going to dole out to an individual student who asks an inappropriate question? What should students anticipate will be the administration's punitive response?
When an individual in this kind of circumstance violates social custom and professional courtesy, the only plausible response is that the people who share his social environment and will be his professional peers shun his actions. By every account, that is what is happening here.
I doubt any of the few people at NYU Law who had an inkling of engaging in this type of unseemly behavior as a form of protest will follow through anytime in the near future.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557657) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:02 PM Author: cerebral friendly grandma public bath
let me rephrase, I think they should discourage such behavior.
Honestly if the school says "please respect the guests and let them be heard" the students will be more likely to comply. Right now they think what they did is fine, and the school is not telling them otherwise.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557679) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:15 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
And you think they'd behave differently just because a dean asked them to? They'd just add free speech to their list of concerns.
If a law school IS going to tell students how to behave, then some punitive system would have to be put in place to censure those who don't listen -- otherwise the administration looks weak every time some nutcase violates the behavior rules.
And then we're back to determing exactly what the administration of a law school would do to punish a student for asking an inappropriate question. That's a road no one wants to go down.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557753) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:26 PM Author: Idiotic University
"If a law school IS going to tell students how to behave, then some punitive system would have to be put in place to censure those who don't listen -- otherwise the administration looks weak every time some nutcase violates the behavior rules."
No rules, just tell them not to make fools of themselves.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557834) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:16 PM Author: cerebral friendly grandma public bath
you dont even know what I was saying pederast.
Nothing wrong with protest - protest does not = disrupting others and being classless. when you grow up hopefully you will learn this... and stop fucking young boys.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557755) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:20 PM Author: Stirring pit yarmulke
STFU, stupid bitch. had those "protests" risen to the level of disruption you wouldn't have been here to complain and whine (which you so hate) like a pussy about how you were hurt by those "disruptions". clearly, you were able to listen to your TTT scalia. so, shut the fuck up and suck it.
and also: learn to admit your mistakes. it's nice to see you learn the taste of your own medicine.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557786) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:11 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
I think it would be fine, even great, for the law school to say that, though that's nothing akin to censure.
But I'm not sure it would matter if the law school did say "respect the guests". The student who asks the kind of depraved, puerile question of a SCOTUS justice like this guy did isn't exactly the type to say, "Oh, I'll be quiet because the law school wants me to." They're not operating under normal social rules from the start, are likely to take offense that the law school demands they "respect" someone they revile, and may even feel antagonized enough by the law school's tinkering with free speech that they'd behave even more outrageously than if the law school had never suggested they behave a certain way in the first place.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557734) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:22 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
Then hopefully you guys are exerting pressure to elicit the kind of response you'd like to see from the administration.
I'm not saying in this thread that I don't understand your frustration. I do. I'm just not sure what's the best/most effective/appropriate administration response.
One thing: Depending on whether the offensive student was shepherded in outside the lottery system, this could've been avoided. If the lottery system dictates which students get to attend an event, that should apply to all students. You can't pick a few favorites to whom the lottery doesn't apply (in this case, I gather, the favorites were more likely to be antagonistic toward Scalia).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557803) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:27 PM Author: cerebral friendly grandma public bath
yes the lottery system bypass was fucked up, but I dont think the dean will divulge who got in as his personal guests.
we are exerting such pressure the best we can, so are alumni, and the fact that the big admit day is tomorrow is going to help.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557848) |
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Date: April 15th, 2005 3:16 AM Author: talented old irish cottage
"Why should law schools be editorializing about such things?"
Probably because schools do, as a matter of course, have certain normative committments.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2563019) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:26 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
It rubs off on the school, sure. But if law schools start taking even slight responsibility for the speech of individual students, where will it end?
Should the town of Park City, Oklahoma apologize for the BTK killer?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557831) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:49 PM Author: Pearl cracking filthpig
bOOM. And there it is. Exactly why NYU shouldn't apologize, and exactly why conservatives want them to. I've been waiting for someone stupid enough to say it out loud.
You people are human garbage.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558028) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 4:01 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
Give me a fucking break.
Out of the thousands upon thousands of liberals affiliated with NYU Law, NYU, or living in the immediately surrounding area, around fifty protested, and among those fifty a few were particularly childish and inappropriate.
"It is EXTREMELY likely, however, that the liberalism at NYU has fostered that kind of vitriolic speech"
Are you a fucking tard? What evidence do you have that the environment at NYU made it "EXTREMELY" likely?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558116)
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:59 PM Author: Haunting Theater Associate
It's not about apologizing. I agree that apologizing for the acts of others is usually silly (although it might be advisable if they ever want Scalia to return).
It's about censuring the idiots who behave like this. It's a problem of the Left and it wouldn't be tolerated from anyone except those on the Left.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558102) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 4:04 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
See my posts above.
Do you really want to go down the road of appointing a law dean to oversee what students should be censured for what they say? What kind of censure are you talking about?
And seriously, Macanudo, you really have to cut the bullshit that only extremists on the Left act in offensive ways. During the Schiavo fiasco, there were right-wingers who went apeshit calling for the heads of state and federal judges. And there are tons of examples of this. Rush Limbaugh is offensive and intellectually dishonest nearly every day.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558141) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 4:13 PM Author: Haunting Theater Associate
If a group of law students disrupt law school events, then it's certainly appropriate for the law school dean to censure them. The student could have asked any number of controversial/adversarial questions to Scalia and actual made good points about Scalia's dissent in Lawrence. He didn't. The question combined with the protest led to a mess of an event. It's not too much for a dean to tell the students to stop distrupting important law school activities.
And, I'm not talking about general offensiveness. I'm talking about a very specific type of behavior. This isn't an isolated incident; it's a pattern. Conservative groups on college and grad campuses do not, pretty much ever, disrupt events where someone they disagree with is speaking. Lefties do it all the time. I'm not saying that all liberals are to blame, but college and law school administrators rarely speak out against such activities.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558205) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 4:18 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
If you're restricting the discussion to campuses, I agree.
Again, what kind of censure do you propose? You are one among several in this thread who has raised the idea of a dean censuring a law student, but none of you has been able to articulate an example of what that censure would be.
And I think that's because even though you would LIKE to see the students censured, you realize that there's nothing a law dean can do to an adult who exercised free, if offensive, speech.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558227) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 4:24 PM Author: Haunting Theater Associate
He could write a letter to all students describing the events, with primary focus on the inappropriateness of the question and the noise of the protest. He could then state that questions of that ilk are unacceptable in that they don't encourage debate, but bring an event to a screeching halt. Of course, he would want to emphasize that all view points were welcome in an open debate, but that debate should be civil and cordial. He could say that when law students behave this way, it hurts the school and the profession in general.
I don't think anyone should be thrown out of school or anything like that, but the dean should at least publically state that law students shouldn't behave in such a manner.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558253) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 4:32 PM Author: hairless lodge wagecucks
It gets tricky when the dean starts telling students what questions are acceptable.
Like I said above, the kind of people -- and they are very few in number -- who would ask a SCOTUS justice about butt sex with his wife are not the kind of people who would refrain from doing so because the dean puts a memo in their mailbox telling them to behave.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558314) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 4:41 PM Author: Haunting Theater Associate
They're not as tough as you think. They know that they can get away with what they're doing b/c no one in any position of authority ever tells them to stop. Plus, they're law students and aren't real revolutionaries.
I think it'd be a much different story on campuses in general if administrators got serious about saying that counter-protests of events have to be respectful of the event's right to go on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558382) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:09 PM Author: Idiotic University
USNews should incorporate this into the ratings.
-2.5% for failing to say anything when the school hosts a Supreme Court justice and a student makes a scene.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557725) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:26 PM Author: Ocher ticket booth
Sexpert, you don't think that the philosophy and attitude of the school foster an environment that encourages such vitriolic speech? That's the problem, in my book. NYU does not foster intelligent, rational, restrained dialogue. Instead, it feeds this hate for conservative ideology (rather than engaging it in rational discourse), which results in unexpected explosions.
If we were to make a conservative example, it would be akin to a fundamentalist Baptist church railing against the evils of abortion, calling for the overthrow of such evil individuals, and then shocked when one of its members blows up the abortion clinic. The church hadn't promoted the event, but they fostered an environment that could only inevitably lead to a wicked act.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557836) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:29 PM Author: magical fighting range
I don't have any basis for making such an assessment, since I am not an NYU student.
But one thing I do know--there are idiots everywhere. So just because someone acts like an idiot does not necessarily mean their environment is to blame.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557854) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:37 PM Author: Stirring pit yarmulke
"NYU does not foster intelligent, rational, restrained dialogue."
Intelligent, rational, restrained dialogue is impossible when you deal with people who are ready to lie or misrepresent issues and facts whenever it can give them an edge. Ten dollars say that had any DECENT conservative justice come instead of Scalia, none of what had happened would have happened.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2557928) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 3:55 PM Author: Ocher ticket booth
"facetious hypocrite"
Discuss.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2558069) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 7:45 PM Author: magical fighting range
Again, there are idiots everywhere, including the 2L class at NYU. Of course, by "idiot", I don't mean someone with a low LSAT. I mean someone who exercises poor judgment.
The same goes for the people in the protest, although I find that case a lot less idiotic (not that I would join them, but it is an order of magnitude less idiotic than the the other event).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2559829) |
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Date: April 14th, 2005 8:12 PM Author: frozen feces plaza
"It's so incredibly obvious that the political leanings of the protesters is THE reason nothing is being done."
Exactly, if they were right-wingers calling for the deaths of abortion doctors, Pres. Bush would put in a call to commend them on their excellent work.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=165282&forum_id=2#2560025) |
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