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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:28 PM Author: Sadistic School because she can only play basketball for 3 years, instead of 4 ... because she REPEATED a grade in high school. LMFAO. This girl is the luckiest bitch in the world...
Et Tu, Harvard? By JOE NOCERA
If the worst thing that ever happens to Temi Fagbenle is that she gets to play college basketball for only three seasons instead of four, she’ll have lived a blessed life. No question, the wrong being perpetrated on this 6-foot-4 Harvard freshman pales compared with some of the injustices in college sports that I’ve been recounting lately.
Still, Fagbenle’s ordeal is worth telling for three reasons. It illustrates the sheer pettiness of the N.C.A.A. It shows that the N.C.A.A. won’t rectify even an obvious mistake to help an athlete. Saddest of all, it shows that even mighty Harvard won’t stand up to the N.C.A.A. Originally intended to help universities police their athletic teams, the N.C.A.A. has become higher education’s Frankenstein, terrifying its overseers.
Let me tell you a little bit about Temi. Yes, she’s 6-foot-4 and a terrific basketball player, but she’s a lot more than that. Born to Nigerian parents — her father is a prominent journalist — she moved with her large family to London as a girl. When she was 15, her parents enrolled her as a junior in Blair Academy, a New Jersey prep school, hoping the education she got there would lead her to the Ivy League. The Fagbenles had their hearts set on Harvard.
Temi struggled her first year, so much so that she and her parents decided that she should repeat her junior year to better her chances of getting into Harvard. By the time she graduated, she had won letters in track and tennis as well as basketball, had starred in the school play, had improved her grades enough to be accepted at Harvard, and had become one of the most popular students at Blair. Along the way, she turned down scholarship offers from big-time basketball schools like Duke.
If you are wondering how this outstanding high school career could have led to Temi’s being ruled ineligible to play as a freshman, you’re not alone. Her mistake, if you can call it that, was to take an exam, the General Certificate of Secondary Education, required of all British students when they are around 15. Inexplicably — and incorrectly — the N.C.A.A. says that the exam marks a British student’s graduation from high school. Under its rules, a British high school graduate must enroll in college within two years of taking the G.C.S.E. Because Temi repeated her junior year, it took her three years.
The sheer idiocy of this rule boggles the mind. As Harvard pointed out in a letter to the N.C.A.A., if she had stayed in London until she finished high school, she could have played. If she had started as a freshman in an American high school and repeated a grade, she could have played. But because she repeated a grade after coming to the United States, she is ineligible. It not only seems unfair, it seems discriminatory.
Behind the scenes, Harvard worked to get the N.C.A.A. to reverse its decision, making four separate appeals. All were denied. With Harvard’s help, Temi retained a lawyer, who gave serious thought to trying to get a restraining order against the N.C.A.A., on the grounds that the rule violates state antidiscrimination laws. But, in the end, Temi decided not to sue, to Harvard’s palpable relief. After all, if Temi began playing and then ultimately lost the case, the women’s basketball team would have to forfeit the games in which she had played. Sotto voce, officials also expressed fears that the N.C.A.A. might retaliate in other ways.
Despite its behind-the-scenes efforts, Harvard has never once said publicly that the rule is wrong and that Temi is being unfairly punished. On the contrary, in an e-mailed statement, Bob Scalise, the Harvard athletic director, said, “We at Harvard are fully committed to following all N.C.A.A. rules and guidelines.” Even, apparently, when those rules are wrong and unjust.
And, I might add, deeply hurtful. “When someone has a tremendous talent, you are taking away a fundamental part of their identity,” says Temi’s lawyer, Beth Reilly. “And there is a stigma in being declared ineligible, an implication that you have done something wrong. You have a label attached that the whole world sees.”
I understand why a school like the University of Connecticut won’t stand up to the N.C.A.A. There is nothing bigger in the state of Connecticut than UConn basketball. If it were to start playing Ryan Boatright, the suspended point guard whose mother is the subject of an N.C.A.A. witch hunt, it would risk not only forfeiting games, but missing the N.C.A.A. championship tournament. The price is too high.
But I would have thought that Harvard was made of sterner stuff. Harvard claims to have values that transcend wins and losses. Harvard has often been a leader in changing how universities act. So long as schools continue to cower in the face of N.C.A.A. abuses, those abuses will continue.
The Temi Fagbenle case was a perfect opportunity for Harvard to stand up for what’s right. Maybe next time. |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:29 PM Author: bat shit crazy big cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856054) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:55 AM Author: chestnut psychic wtf? is this really worth a fucking ny times column? who gives a fuck? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19857280) |
Date: January 28th, 2012 11:30 PM Author: bat shit crazy big cuckoldry what kind of #s does top athlete need to get into HuG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856063) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: Sadistic School i dunno, but that's a much more newsworthy issue than why this bitch can't play basketball for an extra year. this is the same school that routinely rejects valedictorians and perfect SAT scorers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856069) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: Laughsome Boistinker cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856072) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: Laughsome Boistinker you just can't be retarded that's about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856070) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:33 PM Author: bat shit crazy big cuckoldry so what, like 1300 sat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856081) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:35 PM Author: Laughsome Boistinker it can be way below that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856102) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:37 PM Author: Territorial Deer Antler you can probably subtract a couple hundred points for the girl in the article (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856111) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:42 PM Author: nighttime out-of-control twinkling uncleanness address LOL a non-athlete, unremarkable black can get in with 1300 SAT. for a 6'4" basketball playing giantess like her, from a good school and with a prestigious family background (said dad is famous in his country), probably 1000 would suffice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856157) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:41 AM Author: lascivious drab stock car water buffalo bros from my prep school lax team go into Harvard and Princeton to play lax with 1250s and 3.4s. One of them was a lights out goalie.
Princeton lax was notorious for letting in dumb jocks to win national titles. In fact, Princeton lax is the last ivy league team to win a D1 National title. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:53 AM Author: Motley Gaming Laptop A guy I knew who was later a top flite D1 lacrosse player wanted to play for princeton, but the school wouldn't admit him without either a 1200 or 1250 SAT. I think he got like an 1150. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19857275) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 2:50 PM Author: Disgusting ungodly round eye parlour 3.4 makes sense. I was wondering htf you could improve your grades enough to get into Harvard expecting you would need 3.9 or so min. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19858457) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:34 PM Author: deep public bath persian Dumb, wealthy, prep school-educated girl gets into Harvard, how? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856089) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:37 PM Author: Territorial Deer Antler disadvantaged minority who managed to get passing grades while playing sports in high school!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856116) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:35 PM Author: Twisted karate whorehouse What is the chance the NYT would publish this story if the student was named Terri Flannery? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856094) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:35 PM Author: Angry marketing idea dilemma A pumo has poor reading comp, why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856097) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:36 PM Author: bat shit crazy big cuckoldry Joseph "Joe" Nocera (born May 6, 1952 in Providence, Rhode Island)[1] is an American business journalist and author. He became a business columnist for The New York Times in April 2005. In March 2011, Nocera became a regular opinion columnist for The Times' Op-Ed page, writing on Tuesdays and Saturdays.[2] Nocera is also a business commentator for NPR’s Weekend Edition with Scott Simon.
Prior to joining The New York Times, Nocera worked at Fortune from 1995 to 2005, in a variety of positions, finally as editorial director. Nocera was the "Profit Motive" columnist at GQ from 1990 to 1995, and wrote the same column for Esquire from 1988 to 1990.
In the 1980s, Nocera was an editor at Newsweek; an executive editor of New England Monthly; and a senior editor at Texas Monthly. In the late 1970s he was an editor at The Washington Monthly.
Nocera earned a B.S. in journalism from Boston University in 1974, and lives in New York City. |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:40 PM Author: Sadistic School unimpressive guido (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856138) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:49 PM Author: fishy thriller nowag ITT: a slew of bitter (likely Asian or Jew) Harvard REJECTS.
Get over it, guys. |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:51 PM Author: bat shit crazy big cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856207) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:04 AM Author: Sadistic School sup, Reginald? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856284) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:11 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag Look, Wang, Tufts is a fine school.
Two girls I know in HR went there. They seem nice. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:15 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker you're black, we get it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856334) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:17 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag yeah. and I went to HYP. and my life is pretty SWeet because of it.
you're a bitter Asian that didn't, which is most unfortunate. we get it. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:20 AM Author: Sadistic School lol, i admire ur shamelessness, brotha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856366) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:22 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag i pity your envy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856375) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:23 AM Author: Sadistic School your delusion amuses me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856383) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:27 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag I went to HYP, and I fucking loved it. You didn't. Hopefully they at least WL'ed you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856419) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:29 AM Author: Sadistic School well argued, bro. you clearly were deserving of admissions to an elite school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856432) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:31 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag not an argument. two statements of fact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856439) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:34 AM Author: Sadistic School ok, and your point is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856456) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:36 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag ... that saying something is 'well argued' is non-responsive. take your bitter medicine and work to better your situation.
you seem mad. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:38 AM Author: Sadistic School i'm just stating facts, too. why so defensive, happy, elite guy? u seem insecure (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856473) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:39 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag not at all man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856480) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:22 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker ohnoes Jermaine just snapped on my ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856377) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:23 AM Author: Sadistic School mmmnmmm, girlfriend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856389) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:29 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker *snaps fingers in a z formation* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856429) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:24 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag I know your parents worked hard at the dry cleaners to send you to college, and I know they expected more of you. The others in your horde may have made it to Michigan, or WUSTL, but you did the best you could. Hold your head up high. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856399) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:27 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker lol azn running flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856417) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:30 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag whatever helps you sleep at night.
the best part about the whole process was getting the 'likely letters' from all these schools--RD admission weeks before the official date. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:31 AM Author: mind-boggling codepig meetinghouse If you had half a brain you would find the whole minority courtship offensive. Keep pounding your chest ape. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856443) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:35 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag was I wrong about the dry cleaners? Do your parents own one of those Chinese restaurants with the pictures of the food on the menu?
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:35 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker two pumos here, ape nvm looks to be more than two |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:38 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag telling pumos apart no different than two chinamen. waste of my time. assume the other insults as directed at you, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856474) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:39 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker lmao you're obviously not a nigger stop this flame at once (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856477) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:41 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag Are all Asian HYP rejects this irritable? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856488) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:44 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker you seem to be the only pumo here mad as fuaark, supposed nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856500) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:49 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag I'll take that as a yes.
And anyway, why would I be mad? I have everything you ever dreamed of.
For the sake of your Asian brethren, I'll tip an extra 10% on my next seamless order of general tso's chicken (by the way, why can't you fucks comprehend 'white-meat only'?).
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:50 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker lol i am done with this zit faced jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856524) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:56 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag I'm black, man. Sorry if I struck a nerve.
In all seriousness, you should probably focus your efforts on the boost given to legacies and athletes (the majority of whom are white--no Blacks playing women's field hockey or lacrosse). |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 1:08 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker right because monied elites who inherently make certain schools prestigious and people with athletic talent are far less deserving of admission than some dark skinned fellows whose 3.5 gpa's put them in the top 100 students in the country within their racial group (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856577) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 1:27 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag jesus. 'monied elites' and 'athletes' have stats similar or worse than the dark skinned fellows you so envy. and they're a much larger % of the admits.
that you couldn't draw this logical conclusion from my post has me questioning whether you even made it to tufts.
'monied elites' or athletes don't contribute as much to HYP's prestige as you'd believe. but I don't expect you to understand that, so whatever. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 1:32 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker cut the stats talk, azn/jew legacies and athletes are useful beyond being the token black student in every viewbook photo poor flame |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 1:37 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag if that token black turns out to be, say, president of the united states, then it's well worth it.
please DESCRIBE the usefulness of a female golf or field hockey HYP alumnus. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 1:41 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker oh yes let's compare the most visible black HYP grad in history to an ordinary white HYP grad, oh mighty YUG african studies major (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856676) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 1:46 AM Author: fishy thriller nowag non-responsive
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Date: January 29th, 2012 2:00 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker AA baby from YUG in the bottom 10% of his class applies to YLS, why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856729) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:39 AM Author: Sadistic School says the pumo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856478) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:41 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856487) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:37 AM Author: Sadistic School aww, did he hit a nerve? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856471) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:33 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker congratulations i hope you're enjoying duke law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856445) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:40 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker unresponsive
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:41 AM Author: Sadistic School y so bitter, bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856489) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:42 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker not bitter at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856494) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:44 AM Author: Sadistic School (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856501) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:45 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker lolyes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856503) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:15 AM Author: Sadistic School did you check the box? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856336) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:28 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker do you think they have to? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856422) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:25 AM Author: bat shit crazy big cuckoldry haha harsh dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856404) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:50 PM Author: Territorial Deer Antler Yet another reminder to NEVER be impressed by any black's edge-uh-cation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856198) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:51 PM Author: nighttime out-of-control twinkling uncleanness address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856202) |
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Date: January 28th, 2012 11:52 PM Author: Laughsome Boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856213) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:03 AM Author: Sadistic School ekspecially if they went to Harvard! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856277) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:05 AM Author: mind-boggling codepig meetinghouse It's much more true if they come out of top tier schools as opposed to mediocre ones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856293) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:07 AM Author: Sadistic School it just makes me wonder how low they go for URMs. i remember one lunch time when the talk turned to the ridic LSAT scores u needed to get into our law school, the black and hispanic kids at the table suddenly got silent and looked sheepish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856298) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:11 AM Author: nighttime out-of-control twinkling uncleanness address It's been studied and blacks get what is equivalent to a 300 out of 1600 points SAT boost over whites, and 450 over asians, on an all-else-equal basis. Since it's rarely the case that all else actually IS equal (blacks are worse across the board), the actual score disparity is probably significantly smaller than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856316) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 12:51 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19856526) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 1:51 AM Author: Mildly autistic vivacious really tough guy Doods, in my experience the kids who come straight from Africa are usually pretty fucking smart, even fucking gifted as fuck. I wouldn't be surprised if this bitznatch got a 1500 plus SAT
Western Africa especially, some of those rich fuckturd kids are smart as fuck man |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 1:54 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker oh yes definitely much better than american blacks |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:48 AM Author: chestnut psychic while i generally agree let's not go fucking crazy.
western africa nigs are generally respectable, hardworking types though, i agree. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 11:30 PM Author: 180 rambunctious headpube stage TIMFCR
Children of immigrants from Africa have the highest educational attainment of any immigrant group. In case you were wondering, yes, they even beat Asians.
Racists, u mad? |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 6:17 AM Author: glittery spruce corn cake http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/1476144/viewall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19857138) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 6:36 AM Author: Laughsome Boistinker after a lifetime of being told by short chicks that she should model, she opens a modelmayhem account prestigious |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 8:17 AM Author: citrine private investor Fuck! Please tell me she wocwwg's (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19857165) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:49 AM Author: wonderful mewling becky I don't feel sorry for her at all.
But her situation does highlight another example of the NCAA's sheer stupidity quite well.
Same with that Todd O'Brien kid at UAB. |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 9:59 AM Author: Sadistic School she's an overprivileged kid who is finally learning a valuable lesson that life isn't always fair. Kudos to the NCAA for teaching her that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19857283) |
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Date: January 29th, 2012 10:03 AM Author: wonderful mewling becky Kudos to the NCAA for arbitrary stupidity? Gotcha. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19857288) |
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Date: January 30th, 2012 1:11 AM Author: marvelous resort quadroon Harvard looks pretty bad here and not for the reason the author thinks it should. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1860379&forum_id=2#19863104) |