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Congresswoman has "very little tolerance' 4 student loan debt
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:26 PM Author: purple death wish church building Rep. Virginia Foxx On People With Student Loans: ‘I Have Very Little Tolerance’ For Them
Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC) took on a unique enemy during a radio interview yesterday: people with student loans.
Though many politicians sympathize with those who are saddled with exorbitant student debt, Foxx, who chairs the House subcommittee on higher education, had a different take. Appearing on G. Gordon Liddy’s radio show, the North Carolina congresswoman recounted her own experience paying for college, where she worked her way through and graduated after seven years. Foxx then pointed to her own experience as justification for why she has “very little tolerance for people who tell me that they graduate with $200,000 of debt or even $80,000 of debt.” “There’s no reason for that,” she concluded:
FOXX: I went through school, I worked my way through, it took me seven years, I never borrowed a dime of money. He borrowed a little bit because we both were totally on our own when we went to college, totally. [...] I have very little tolerance for people who tell me that they graduate with $200,000 of debt or even $80,000 of debt because there’s no reason for that. We live in an opportunity society and people are forgetting that. I remind folks all the time that the Declaration of Independence says “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” You don’t have it dumped in your lap.
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Dear Congresswoman:
I have very little tolerance for entitled boomers enjoying mortgage bailouts, Soc. Security payments, Medicare benefits and pensions (all of which I'll likely never receive) thanks to my tax dollars. When you graduated from college in 1968, a student working 6.2 hours a week at minimum wage could pay for college.
http://oncampus.mpr.org/2011/03/working-through-school-1968-vs-now/ |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:33 PM Author: Puce bisexual pit Foxx worked as a research assistant and then an English instructor at Caldwell Community College and Appalachian State University before moving into university administration. From 1987 until her 1994 entry into politics, she was president of Mayland Community College.[6] Under North Carolina Governor James G. Martin, Foxx served as Deputy Secretary for Management.[5] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472591) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 5:21 PM Author: Electric Gaped Point Roommate The worst part is, Appalachian State is really the only major employer in her district, and somehow the fucktard townies keep getting her reelected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476812) |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:08 PM Author: Walnut comical candlestick maker site Greetings, Appalachian State University is hot hot ho! |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:37 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Messiness Piazza Virginia Foxx is a silly cunt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476126) |
Date: April 15th, 2012 11:27 PM Author: Cracking Green Foreskin Queen Of The Night cot damn this makes my blood boil (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472527) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:27 PM Author: purple death wish church building ya know! fucking boomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472530) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:28 PM Author: Brass Vivacious Giraffe to be fair,
if you deal in arms, narcotics or humans you can probably pay for LS while working part-time |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:41 AM Author: Hot box office mediation lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473110) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: nudist affirmative action love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472570) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:53 PM Author: mint brunch i dont know who she is but i'm imagining her as a shitboomer & nigger just to make myself angrier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472747) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:54 AM Author: Startled provocative karate elastic band CR, bro. Ignorant statements like this make me contemplate murdering people.
I feel like I could justify it to St. Peter |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:29 PM Author: lemon razzle feces http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Virginia_Foxx.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472545) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:30 PM Author: purple death wish church building looks like Estrada's mom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472548) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: supple tank station :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472560) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:40 PM Author: Vigorous Sandwich looks like Al Bundy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472633) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:57 PM Author: arrogant garrison Christ. Someone should gas her (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472772) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:49 AM Author: Bull Headed Thriller Factory Reset Button Cruise Ship I came (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473441) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:37 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Messiness Piazza She even looks stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476130) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: canary boyish ladyboy theater She's a stupid fucking hypocrite like all politicians.
That being said, I agree with her up to a point. Yes, tuition HAS skyrocketed at a rate far exceeding inflation every year, and we need to address this as a nation. And yes, the average student now is going to have much more problems "working their way" through school than a Boomer did.
That being said, if you are a Cali bro, go to community college for 2 years, then transfer to a UC and or CSU, work, get scholarships, etc. you should be able to graduate with a minimal amount of debt. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:51 AM Author: vengeful floppy people who are hurt center credited. any faggot who goes to a 4 year college for 4 years nowadays is a fucking retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473607) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:32 AM Author: copper selfie old irish cottage U two idiots realize even the cc road is hard now? Higher tuition limited classes overcrowding all mean you may fuck yourself if you ignore your 4yr college acceptance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474154) |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:13 PM Author: Walnut comical candlestick maker site Greetings, First two years of college are the most important. CCing them means the last two years are basically worthless for anything but the credential. You learn more being around college students 18-20yo than you do in class then or thereafter. We need to make it harder to get loans. Smart doods should be able to go anywhere they can get in, restricted to the top 50 unis or so. |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:34 PM Author: vengeful floppy people who are hurt center stupidest post on the planet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20483091) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 4:00 PM Author: charismatic university stock car transferring into UC then getting a scholarship? is this flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476236) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: territorial corner I love how these boomers think that 200k debt is like 90% pot and alcohol, or that we all take 9 years to graduate or some bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472569) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca she is widely known as one of the dumbest members of the entire legislature, including members from the affirmative-action sheila jackson-lee-type districts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472571) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:33 PM Author: Brass Vivacious Giraffe but she has an Ed.D (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472586) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:35 PM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca her career actually makes a point about a lot of university education being fundamentally worthless in any real sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472598) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:38 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Messiness Piazza ...A low-level masters that took twice as long to complete. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476135) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:38 PM Author: supple tank station Link? Or are you such a dailykos loserfaggot that you have a fucking dossier on every no name US rep? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472622) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:53 AM Author: vengeful floppy people who are hurt center (confirmed homosexual whose moniker is a take on trayvon martin's "no_limit_nigga" twitter handle) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473611) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:31 PM Author: soul-stirring really tough guy sanctuary GODDAMNITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472575) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:32 PM Author: Impertinent area lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Foxx (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472582) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:41 AM Author: Sinister address OMFG
"Matthew Shepard Act
In April 2009, Foxx expressed opposition to the Matthew Shepard Act, claiming that the murder of Matthew Shepard was not a hate crime. While debating the act at the House of Representatives, which was attended by Matthew Shepard's mother, she called the incident a "very unfortunate incident" but also "we know that that young man was killed in the commitment of a robbery. It wasn't because he was gay." She continued that "It's really a hoax that that continues to be used as an excuse for passing hate crimes bills."[11] However, that statement is disputed by the police reports, the ensuing police investigation and by the trial testimony of the accused themselves." |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:49 AM Author: supple tank station ^lol shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473173) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:52 AM Author: Sinister address wait, putting aside for a second whatever you actually think about hate crime law or matthew shepard, can you just read what it says there? She literally made up a theory of what happened out of thin air that was supported by nothing, i.e. that he was killed during a robbery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473207) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:55 AM Author: vengeful floppy people who are hurt center hey dumbass - they DID actually rob him before killing him. get your facts straight faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473614) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 7:15 AM Author: supple tank station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473977) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:42 AM Author: Sinister address Health care debate
When commenting on the House version of the reform bill that funds counseling for end-of-life issues, Foxx said, "Republicans have a better solution that won't put the government in charge of people's health care," and "(The plan) is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."[13] She later said that "we have more to fear from the potential of [the Affordable Health Care for America Act] passing than we do from any terrorist right now in any country."[14][15]
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:44 AM Author: Excitant ebony wrinkle range batshit fucking insane. if she can become a house member, literally all of us can. at least that's the heartening aspect here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473130) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:55 AM Author: lime parlor ShitCongress is the last hope for all of us TTTers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473222) |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:30 PM Author: Walnut comical candlestick maker site Greetings, serious LOL @ six figure pension after <10yr of employment being "shitcongress" |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:35 PM Author: canary boyish ladyboy theater Also, this is a prime example of why people expecting a student loan bailout (beyond IBR) are just wrong.
The current people in power went to school at such a different time that there is a vast disconnect between their own experiences and what's happening right now. You can't empathize with someone's problem when you don't even realize there is a problem.
The costs of education and the issue of student loans won't be addressed in a significant manner until people of our generation start assuming positions of power in politics. |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:36 PM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca most of the gen-x'ers in power are sellouts like paul ryan who want younger americans to wear hairshirts while olds get to viva viagra into the sunset. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472603) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:38 PM Author: canary boyish ladyboy theater Our generation = Gen Y, imo.
Honestly, the plight of Gen X isn't too far off from the Boomers. They went to college when it was still pretty cheap.
Most of these problems have really accelerated in the 2000s when the millenials started hitting adulthood. |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:36 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park this is 100% credited and lol at any of the bitter fags on here who claim otherwise. i WORKED my entire way through college just like my parents did. i graduated with zero debt from undergrad because i busted my ass. i become enraged when i hear about faggots on here who just HAD to go to some middling college like emory and think the world should pay off their $150k in debt when they could have easily gone to a state school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472605) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:37 PM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca if taxpayers want their money back, they should demand refunds from the universities themselves - from administrators past and present, from their endowment funds, etc. that's where the money actually ended up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472615) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:39 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park lol fuck that. no one put a gun to your head and told you to take out $170k in debt for a fucking bachelors degree from Middlebury (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472625) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:41 PM Author: supple tank station Tcp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472637) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:41 PM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca i don't hold much debt, so, this isn't exactly my fight, but be logical for a moment: if you wanted fast money, would you rob an actual bank, or would you rob some beggar on the street with 35 cents in change on him?
similarly, if you want to get money from jobless college grads, good luck to you. maybe you can open up a biogas facility and have them mail you containers of their poop or something. i'm not sure what else of value most of them even have. |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:45 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park i don't really know what you're saying, bro. i'm not trying to *get* any money from anyone, but i'll be damned if my income is going to be taxed to bail out some faggot who got a 1320 on the SAT and was told to "follow his dreams" to get that BA from a "top" school like Davidson or some crap and now he's crying losing hope because he has $150,000 in non-dischargable debt and no job and his credit is ruined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472672) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:49 PM Author: Puce bisexual pit so, in other words, you are mad at people who got to private TTTs, but don't really have anything interesting to say on the actual subject of this thread got it. are you also the pumo who doesn't like to read? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472718) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:51 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park lol i'm a pumo who put MYSELF through college at a top 30 school and had a job offer making more money than you ever will on the day i fucking graduated. in other words, i'm the guy who does my fucking job. you must be the other guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472738) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:52 PM Author: Puce bisexual pit no: you are the pumo who is the whiny bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472743) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:55 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park explain to me why i should feel bad for kids who decided to go to college they couldn't pay for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472760) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:56 PM Author: Puce bisexual pit you have a mental disorder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472766) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:58 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park explain how i'm wrong. your first argument was "ohhh you just want to talk about yourself and don't have anything *interesting* to say about the student loan *problem*".
lol
it's amazing that we live in a day and age where saying that people shouldn't go to colleges that they can't afford is considered a stupid and uninteresting comment. why don't you tell me something interesting about the education problem in america? or are you just going to megapost shit like "you have a mental disorder" because you're getting fucking raped in this argument? |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 7:36 AM Author: apoplectic native Gen X and gen Y were rigorously brainwashed into thinking going to the best school at any cost was a wise investment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473999) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 4:06 PM Author: Galvanic silver hall titcr. the rage against whole generations of people following conventional wisdom is completely disingenuous. especially when the SAME FUCKING PEOPLE who created this meme are now on the other side telling them "oh you shouldn't have taken out all of that debt" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476268) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:57 AM Author: vengeful floppy people who are hurt center what the fuck are you trying to say faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473617) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:00 AM Author: fragrant claret pistol shitlib Middlebury meets 100% of need, no one would ever need to take 170k out to attend Midd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473475) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:39 PM Author: Bistre Keepsake Machete Mental Disorder I'd generally agree with this, but even most state schools are now unaffordable without loans even if working. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472626) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:42 PM Author: canary boyish ladyboy theater Yes. We really need to address the issue of how tuition gains are far exceeding inflation.
The only way this is remotely affordable anymore is basically community college 2 years - transfer to State U.
And yea, even the, State U is getting pricey. I think annual expenses at like CAL would be about 20k now. |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:50 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park so go to a state U that is cheaper than CAL. or study a discipline that will allow you to get a job that will let you service your debt. or fucking WORK FOR A FEW YEARS and save some money if it's so fucking important to you. college tuition isn't too expensive because boomers are raising tuition that outpaces what the market will bear, it's too expensive because every 18 year old faggot who can write their name on the SAT thinks it's their God given right to go sit by a fountain for four years an "find themselves." lol finding yourself and waking up at 3 and going to frat parties every weekend are luxuries for kids whose parents will pay $100k cash for their school. everyone else, be really fucking smart or grab a shovel. the world needs ditch diggers too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472728) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:51 PM Author: Puce bisexual pit SO FUCKING EDGY. EVEN A QUOTE FROM CADDYSHACK!@@!!!11111111 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472734) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:53 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park wahhhhhhhh mommy and daddy didn't want to pay for me to go to bennington college, so instead of asking about work study programs i just borrowed $70k each year but NOW all these collection agencies keep calling and making me FEEL BAD! :(
don't go to a college that you can't afford to go to, shitbrick. it's pretty fucking simple. |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:56 PM Author: Puce bisexual pit you have a mental disorder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472763) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:14 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park lol so you got pwnd and have nothing to say. got it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472878) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:22 AM Author: slate community account No he didn't, it's just hard to respond to a dumb comment like yours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472950) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:16 AM Author: Cerebral primrose shrine stain lol, you realize work study is capped right? it doesnt even come close to paying expenses even at state schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472891) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:13 AM Author: awkward resort new version might be the dumbest poaster on the board. you probably would have benefited from studying more and working less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473503) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:40 PM Author: dark laser beams this is NOT what people on here are complaining about, retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472632) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:42 PM Author: Burgundy house most state UGs cost like 25k/yr, it.is.fucking.insane
unless your parents pay, your pretty much HAVE to go into some kind of debt to go to a university; the system is FUCKED |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:46 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park so go to a cheaper state undergrad, or study harder and get a scholly. or *gasp* work for a couple of years to save money for school if it's so fucking god damn important to you to fucking read Proust by a fountain for four years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472687) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:53 PM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca that's all great on an individual level, but the student loan bubble is already at $1.1 trillion, and less than 40% of that debt is being repaid on time. we're fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472746) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:54 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park lol so obama should just pay all the philosophy major's student loans?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472756) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:57 PM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca no; we should demand that money back from the universities and their administrators. they willingly took in what is essentially federal money even though they knew that their "products" - their degrees - were increasingly worthless in the employment market.
they were in the best position to know exactly how valuable or non-valuable their degrees actually are/were.
they had a moral duty to warn prospective students and the federal government that their degrees were no longer capable of providing students with jobs that would allow for debt repayment - and they failed to do so. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:03 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park lol so they government made federal loans available to anyone for any college for any major for pretty much any educational institution including the university of pheonix, but we should hold the institutions responsible because of some convoluted 1L torts class Coase theorem argument that they were in the best position to assess the risk??
protip: if you're writing checks and are in a position where you cant assess the risk that you won't get paid back, YOU SHOULD GET OUT OF THE CHECK WRITING BUSINESS. the idea that the government should blame colleges because they (the govt) didn't have the foresight to understand that $150k BAs in philosophy were unsustainable but the colleges should have clued them in is the most lulzy libtarded intellectually dishonest shit i have ever heard. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:05 AM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca the colleges HAVE THE DAMN MONEY. once again, i assume you are interested in the money actually being paid back?
well, broke-assed post-college basement losers living at home are not going to BE ABLE to pay that money back.
so what then? you can either give up like a little bitch, or you can follow the money to the colleges.
which is it? |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:11 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park i don't think that colleges just put that "ill gotten" money in a savings account. they committed it to capital projects, hired new faculty, renovated the football stadium etc. so i don't necessarily agree that they "have the money" but you're right that they have more access to money than their useless graduates. each september people will show up wanting to give the college money for their services while no one wants to make that trade with the grads, which is how we got here in the first place. if you want them to pay it back it's going to take a long time, but i don't see why we don't just leave it to the graduates who borrowed teh fucking money. eventually they're going to get a job, flipping burgers or whatever. 30% of every paycheck is garnished to pay for their years at farthest cornell. seems fine to me. it will give them a good incentive to make more money so they can keep a little more of their paycheck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472858) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:19 AM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca the trend so far is that college grads who can't get "real" jobs largely just give up. they simply aren't willing to work at a fast-food place at minimum wage and have a chunk of it taken for student loans. they would rather drop out of the economy entirely, and live off of under-the-table work, family, girlfriends, etc.
they don't (generally) have kids, get married, buy houses or new cars, or participate in the wider american economy. the breeding is largely left to immigrants and true poors who never had any pretensions of something like "college."
i can't imagine that you consider those to be positive trends.
part of the purpose of having a "society" in the first place was to provide a framework in which new generations could be given a solid foundation in life, and given opportunities to make their way in the world without the wolves eating them alive in the crib.
now we appear to be doing the opposite to some extent. we financialized kids and turned them into vehicles for debt speculation. it's a novel experiment for sure, but it doesn't seem to be turning out very well. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:19 AM Author: Cerebral primrose shrine stain thats a lot of nice MFE anecdotal shit without one piece of evidence to back it up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472922) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:21 AM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_01.pdf
also, think about it - would YOU work at mcdonald's if you had to fork over 15% or more of your $7.25/hr to student loans?
could you even afford to get to the worksite on that kind of salary? that's not enough to pay for a car + gas + maintenance + insurance. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:09 AM Author: Exhilarant salmon mother great idea, sink slightly less money into an undergrad that makes you even less competitive for the jerbs you already are not getting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472845) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:49 PM Author: Fuchsia Curious Liquid Oxygen Locale this is what 4-yr uni kids get for laughing at all the CC, JC, and vocational school kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472716) |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:57 PM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park cr. i knew several people who went to community college for ~$1,000/semester and WORKED JOBS since their school was so easy and they lived at home. then they had money to pay for college when they transferred as juniors to our state flagship which is one of the top universities in the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472773) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:02 AM Author: Cracking Green Foreskin Queen Of The Night how's virginia man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472800) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:07 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park all of the top state schools (Michigan, Texas, UVA, Florida, all the UC's, Washington, UNC, etc.) have generous spot allowances for in-state transfers from community college. anyone in those states can get a degree from a top school for very little money if they're willing to do their first years at CC, live at home and work/save money. hell, ANYONE can. if you don't live in a state with a good state school, just move to California and work a job for a year mowing lawns or working retail or whatever. establish residency in the state and then one year later start going to CC, then transfer to Berkeley or UCLA. christ, if you were mowing lawns in Argentina for a year for zero dollars it would be considered an amazing "gap year" experience for you to "gain perspective" before matriculating at harvard or yale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472832) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:01 AM Author: passionate swollen turdskin (bizarre Gainesville trolling) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473478) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:10 AM Author: pea-brained temple holy shit, FUCKING CREDITED
You're an idiot if you don't take the CC 2 year, stay at home route. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:17 AM Author: Cerebral primrose shrine stain the problem is jobs are getting so competitive it really helps to actually have a relevant sophomore summer job. you're getting jack shit out of a CC. the only exception to this is basically de anza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472901) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:22 AM Author: pea-brained temple exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472964) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:35 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park this is a lie that faggots tell each other. oh you NEED to go to Haverford all four years so you can get that sophomore internship that's totally going to set you up for that GREAT JOB in consulting or ibanking or "marketing" that companies really demand a BRAND NAME SCHOOL like Haverford or Wharton or Harvard or Columbia (what a convenient grouping of schools) for entry level hires.
LOL. go to penn state. major in engineering or computer science. have five job offers before graduation where no one gives a shit about what your "sophomore internship" was. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:50 AM Author: lime parlor some people actually want to get laid in college brah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473447) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:29 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park lol just take out $210 thousand in non-dischargable debt so you can go to foam parties at the FIJI house as an 18 year old, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473664) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 4:09 PM Author: Galvanic silver hall i lol'd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476283) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 7:39 AM Author: insecure sable background story explain De Anza
http://www.deanza.edu/ appears to be a cc in silicon valley, do people get good internship out of there or something? |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:55 PM Author: Impressive dashing incel I would still say that a decent number of people can make it through UG without major debt. If you didn't, you were striving.
It also goes without saying that UG is no longer sufficient for employment unless you are looking for secretarial work, military officer, or professional sports.
With the exception of science Ph.D. programs and other special fully-funded programs, very few people can get a graduate or professional degree without significant debt.
Foxx has proven herself a full on retard on multiple occasions. If the large university in her district wasn't also full of retards they would send her out on a rail. |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:59 PM Author: canary boyish ladyboy theater Not if your major in something useful like engineering or accounting.
If you are good at math/ science, do engineering.
If you suck at the above, just do accounting, bro. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:03 AM Author: Impressive dashing incel i got an engineering degree at a T20 engineering school.
i am 5-10 years out. out of 62 people in our graduating class, 3 are engineers. most went on to Ph.D. programs, med school, law school, whatever.
"go to engineering school ---> be an engineer" isn't massive flame, but it's pretty fucking close. there are no jobs. |
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Date: April 15th, 2012 11:57 PM Author: snowy rebellious volcanic crater this dumb bitch who profited from the higher education scam should get her ass kicked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472776) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:07 AM Author: Talented Generalized Bond jfc if are country had any fucking balls left we would put these goddamn boomers' heads on a stake and display them before the realm! when did we lose our dignity! what is dead may never die! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472831) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:10 AM Author: lemon razzle feces we should at least spam the fuck out of this cunt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472853) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:58 PM Author: Carmine parlour brethren SSG: ENGAGE GODDAMMIT! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475458) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:11 AM Author: pea-brained temple Step 1: Attend Community College 2 years. Live at home. Work. Debt Free + Some extra cash to save.
Step 2. Transfer to State U with Great Grades and Commute. Work. Debt Free + Job lined up
THis is the path to success kidos. LOL at you entitled Yers |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:17 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT i need to go to the *BEST* private college on USNWR that will swallow my mediocre SAT and charge me $38k/yr in tuition. i've got to go to the *BEST COLLEGE I CAN* so i can be competitive for TOP JOBS or LAW SKOOL!!! ew. no i can't do my first two years at community college ... how embarrassing would that be to tell all my friends!
*attends emory at 100% tuition*
*majors in political science*
*gets 3.4*
*dreams of going to GW law* |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:30 AM Author: Excitant ebony wrinkle range the fuck, man? gw is a pretty good school. your beef should be with the T30s and below of the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473027) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:59 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park just LOL if you think GW law is worth $70k/yr COA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473249) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:33 PM Author: spruce fear-inspiring library multi-billionaire http://www.richmangreer.com/Attorneys/AdamMMyron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474854) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:17 AM Author: Violent medicated azn not every state u is affordable, even with a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472905) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:18 AM Author: Cerebral primrose shrine stain commute from where? most people dont live next door to a good school. lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20472908) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:23 AM Author: shimmering property goal in life this was the thinking before the easy credit came along. also, this path doesn't let kids follow their dreams to become NYU-educated cultural anthropologists.
but in general, you're right. most directional state schools are affordable and most have at least a handful of majors that are employable ITE. kids should know that, and if they don't, then the DoE needs to either make them aware or quit giving out loans. ditto for grad programs. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:25 AM Author: pea-brained temple I was flaming.
I think this is a horrible path unless you're not that bright. Going to some TTT college with scholarship is better than going to CC, but I guess if you can't swing it, you should consider.
Not everyone deserves better than commuter schools which is one of the problems. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:31 AM Author: Excitant ebony wrinkle range you're flaming but a big problem (in CA at least) is that CCs are fucking FULL and people simply cannot get into the classes they need to transfer. a recent proposal to make these required classes more expensive at santa monica college was shot down in about 5 minutes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473047) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:38 AM Author: supple tank station Just do DREAM Act bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473095) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:45 AM Author: Excitant ebony wrinkle range not sure how any intelligent person can oppose the dream act, incidentally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473144) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:51 AM Author: supple tank station Moar handouts/amnasty for illegals!!! Yay!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473191) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:56 AM Author: lime parlor here's how: they know what's in it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473227) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:10 AM Author: flatulent yarmulke how is that related at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473493) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 7:17 AM Author: supple tank station After house repubs courageously said "no, fuck you" to somg please help these po' wittle immigrant doods get a head start, the state of California passed a retarded version all it's own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473980) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:47 AM Author: Indigo place of business depressive I'm torn. On the one hand I despise entitled shitheads who coast through college and even look down on ppl who have to work all the while racking up insane debt levels themselves. On the other hand, most state college tuition is so fucking high that unless you have scholarships or full support from your parents, you're going to have to take out loans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473160) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:02 AM Author: lime parlor I had family help and money saved up so I have little debt from law school. But I have no job and no real prospects. So I say fuck em. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473265) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:07 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park this "state school is too expensive" argument is flame. i just looked up a couple of schools for in state. Ohio State: $9700/yr. University of Iowa: $8,054/yr. University of Oklahoma: $8,070/yr. Kansas State $7,656. these are all top 100 or close state schools. i don't know what faggots do in the people's republic of berkeley and maybe they try to charge their kids $30,000/yr in state with a straight face, but there is no reason a kid shouldn't be able to go to one of these schools i mentioned and come out with less than $30,000 of total student loan debt. if they're willing to live at home and go to community college for the first two years they should come out even or with savings.
if you live in a state where there are *NO* respectable state schools with reasonable tuition then fucking move to one of the 35-40 states that have affordable schools and work for one year to establish residency. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:31 AM Author: shimmering property goal in life you don't even need to establish residency in many of them. lots of states waive OOS tuition outright to get more geographic diversity or in exchange for modest SAT/ACT scores. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473395) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:35 AM Author: Indigo place of business depressive I think the national average for in-state tuition is around 11-12K/year, add living expenses, books, essentials, and walking around money, you're looking at 20K+ per year. Not horrendous, but not exactly chump change either. Without parental assistance that's going to require 40K in loans, and that assumes part-time work and full-time summer employment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473404) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:45 AM Author: Fantasy-prone filthpig macaca also, a lot of majors basically require five years to finish, because the most popular courses are oversubscribed and full of waiting lists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473433) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:33 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park this is egregious flame or if it is true it applies to a very narrow subset of schools, i.e., i have heard this about some of the UC's and berkeley in particular. at any other state school you can easily graduate in four years, except some schools where engineering majors legitimately take five to get everything done. i went to a top non-UC public (i.e., UVA/Mich/UNC type school) and no one i knew who put in a modicum of effort failed to graduate on time. it seemed structurally built in for some engineering majors, but around half the engineers i knew were graduating in four years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473671) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:54 AM Author: lime parlor some people actually want to be around other intelligent people for 4 years of college. who wants to spend the best four years of your life in Iowa or Oklahoma? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473457) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:37 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park OHWHATASCHOLAR
i'm too special to go to Iowa which is in the top 60 or so (approximating) colleges! i need to be surrounded by INTELLECTUAL and CREATIVE people like me!!!!!
*takes out $150,000 in loans to study english at emory* |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:13 AM Author: opaque jew heaven Do you really expect some kid from Bloomfield, NJ or East Meadow, NY to go to college in Iowa? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474110) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:19 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park tuition at Rutgers is $10,000/yr. a new jersey kid who is smart enough to get into some fancy "top 15" college should be able to graduate with no debt at all if they take a small scholly to their state flagship school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474122) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:32 AM Author: lime parlor many top 15 colleges have great financial aid now though. So they might not even need to make that choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474315) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:08 AM Author: fragrant claret pistol shitlib just do move to bumfuck kansas at 18 and work flipping burgers for a year to attend a middling state school and save on tuition. this doesnt sound like a great plan man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473485) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:11 AM Author: flatulent yarmulke just take out a 120k in unsecured non-dischargeable loans as an 18 year old. that's brilliant! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473497) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:14 AM Author: fragrant claret pistol shitlib pretty sure there's a middle ground. seems reasonable to take a decent school with an alright financial aid package, maybe a couple scholarships, and perhaps take on some debt too. pretty much immediately stacks the odds against poor kids if their only option is to move into some completely alien environment, work for a year at some shitjob to save cash, then attend random square state u and hope they excel (because mediocrity means they are fucked). i dont see this working out for most people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473513) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:47 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park LOL! this was my advice for the few kids who can MAYBE claim there are no inexpensive decent colleges in their state. i mean i know the UC's all have expensive tuition, but i don't know that there are no schools in california that offer a solid education with tuition of around $8-10k/yr.
ASSUMING that such states exist, i suggested that kids could move to a state where there is an affordable school. and if you just HAVE to attend a "top" school, then pick north carolina or virginia. establish residency there and go to UVA or UNC for ~$9k/yr in tuition.
and of course i agree with you about the middle ground. my argument is not "all people must go to state schools" it's "people should not take on educational debt they can't afford just because it's there." if you get a good financial aid package from johns hopkins and you'd rather go there than michigan, then by all means, do it. but the idea that kids have just been cheated by the system and have NO ALTERNATIVE to going $100,000 in to debt for college is absurd. people who say this just want to have it both ways: they're pissed at the ludicrious debt load they have to carry but they are ENRAGED at the suggestion that they can't afford to go to the BEST USNWR college they get into because dammit they need the validation of telling their parents friends they go to a "TOP 20" college, and the thought of going to their state school with all those people who got 1250s on their SAT would make them feel like they aren't a special brilliant unique flower. |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 6:03 PM Author: Misunderstood Kink-friendly School this is mostly cr. one thing that baffles my european friends is how prestige obsessed students here are about all universities not just the elite ones. it seems like you have a lot of kids choosing almost entirely on usnwr ranking, even between like the 90th and 40th ranked school regardless of money, location, potential career path, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20484403) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:13 AM Author: lime parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473506) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:51 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park oh my god! i might have to work or not go to college the minute i finish high school! flipping burgers!?? saving money for my education!? no that's bullshit! i DESERVE to go to a top 20 school that costs $35k/yr where everyone else took an SAT prep course just like me and i can wake up at noon and skip my classes! justice delayed is justice denied! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473709) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:35 PM Author: Honey-headed adulterous school cafeteria lol @ the notion of saving money while flipping burgers and your parents letting everyone live at home. wtf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20478523) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 6:45 AM Author: adventurous lavender national security agency indian lodge look, pal, don't start throwing numbers around...i am sure 9700 times 5 is something like 230K (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473959) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:09 PM Author: Chocolate marvelous plaza lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475119) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:42 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Messiness Piazza $12/hour full time only gets you about $24,000. Minimal living expenses are about $18,000. After payroll and income tax, you might have a couple thousand dollars left over. So the tuition mostly ends going on the loan balance. You generally parental assistance or scholarships to avoid that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476156) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:18 AM Author: Clear appetizing crackhouse regret Fair-if she wants to put tuition prices back to her day, adjusted for inflation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473351) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:21 AM Author: Stirring codepig nibblets FUCK THIS CUNT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473357) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:22 AM Author: Stirring codepig nibblets Another hit:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/virginia-foxx-story-of-ma_n_192971.html |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:09 AM Author: flatulent yarmulke i have very little tolerance for her health care needs.
but yes, the pumo arguing that huge numbers of people waste money at overpriced schools is right. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:16 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook This is a HARD problem to solve because it is not like EVERY single fucking other RICH nation on Earth has affordable universities and better student loan plans.
It is not like we can look at Canada or France or Japan and see how they do things. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:19 AM Author: flatulent yarmulke step 1: stop loaning stupid people money to study stupid shit in college
step 2: track stupid kids towards vocational training by age 15 or so |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:21 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook That does not solve the problem.
The real problem is INSANE tuition costs that you never find in any other country on EARTH and that has never occurred in HUMAN HISTORY.
I agree though, you have to reform student loans, but also cut the fucking interest rate. Forgive loans after 10 years. People shouldn't go bankrupt trying to get a "good" education, and just telling ppl to go to JC's is fuckin stupid and doesn't solve anything. Then you just have a society where teh top 1% can afford univs and everyone else is shit out of luck and goes to a JC. That sounds like a pretty shitty society to me. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:24 AM Author: fragrant claret pistol shitlib credited!
but 10 years is a pretty short period for forgiveness to be honest. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:25 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook That is what they do in the UK I believe. Or at least tie it to your income. If you don't make much money your first 10 years then maybe it gets extended to 15 or 20. But dont just fuck over ppl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473562) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:31 AM Author: flatulent yarmulke you have to starve the beast by stopping federal loans. too many shitty schools have been jacking up their tuition for far too long. there is no reason anyone with a pulse should attend gwu or nyu or emory or trinity. these shitty overpriced schools should be full of the mouth-breathing children of the rich. instead smart middle and upper-middle class kids think that if something is expensive it must be good so they take out huge loans to attend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473579) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:34 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook It is not just federal loans. Its private fucking loans. Just fuckin regulate the industry. Cap interest rates. Cap repayment terms. And then also cap tuition increases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473586) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:36 AM Author: flatulent yarmulke ok, whatever the source of loans, some poor kid should not be able to take out 180k to attend gwu when they award him a 20k four year "scholarship". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473592) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:39 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook well, i just checked and the max stafford loans u can borrow is not a lot, 7.5k max for UG
http://www.staffordloan.com/stafford-loan-info/
so the prob is the fucking private loans that just rape ppl cause the interest accrues while u are in school and the rate is usually higher
and fuck man, stafford subsidized loans rate goes up from 3 percent somethin to 6.8 percent next year.. WTF.. .
this is insane.. just kill an entire generation |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:54 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park the places outside the US with the best universities, like the UK and japan, brutally weed people out of the college track. if you are clearly not a top student by the time you're 10 years old it's determined that you should probably shovel shit as an occupation, and they take you out of class and put you on that path so you don't slow down the intelligent/monied children. should we do that also? if we did we could afford to make sure every college bound student can get a bachelors degree for $10,000 total. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473716) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 4:27 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook Japan actually graduates a high percent of its ppl from college:
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Date: April 16th, 2012 4:30 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook LOL, Canada graduates more. Socialist Canada. LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473771) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:34 AM Author: lime parlor Japan and Canada have fewer dumbs than us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474323) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 8:02 AM Author: milky kitchen legal warrant the uk is simply trailing the US when it comes to tuition and overeducation. any idiot can more or less fail their final school exams then get gov funding for a three year degree in anthropology. tuition cap has increased 3 -> £9k in part to combat this, but enrolment is already at around 40% of the university age population (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474008) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 8:19 AM Author: passionate swollen turdskin Just do no one go to med school, ever, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474025) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:33 AM Author: pale judgmental office lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473582) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:35 AM Author: Azure puppy theater stage There are two root causes to this problem
-The effective prohibition on using intelligence/aptitude tests to select people for jobs is causing employers to rely on degrees instead
-Readily available, non-discharge student loans
I thought that this was common XOXO wisdom |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:43 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook you sound like a fuckin idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473600) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:46 AM Author: Azure puppy theater stage A higher % of the population is going to college every fucking year. Most are not there to learn things, they're there to get a piece of paper that allows them to compete for white-collar jobs. Most people don't actually use the stuff they cover in college, it's just a fucking hurdle to prove that you're not retarded. Let people prove that they're not retarded with testing, and there will be less incentive to go to college. Fewer people go to college, demand curve moves downward, education prices drop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473603) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:48 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook the idea that employer aptitude tests solves this problem is fuckin god damn retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473605) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:56 AM Author: Azure puppy theater stage It probably wouldn't solve the problem quickly or completely, there are other factors at play. But it would at least be a step toward removing this idea that college is essential for getting a job above ditch-digger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473615) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:57 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook it is retarded we even have this discussion.
a normal society would want ppl to go to college or at least endeveor to go to college but we are just creating a society where its only the top 1% that can do anything
everyone else is shit out of luck.. we are going to hell with this attitude
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Date: April 16th, 2012 7:18 AM Author: supple tank station Je's trout you dmb shitlib faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473981) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:36 AM Author: lime parlor You are a moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474334) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:58 AM Author: vengeful floppy people who are hurt center and how about the wonderlic faggot? how about that test? LOL brother, i just SHOT YOU DOWN. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473621) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 7:19 AM Author: supple tank station (guy who got a 6 on DAT wonderlic) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20473982) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 8:13 AM Author: Mind-boggling cream masturbator chapel look at countries where aptitude tests are used commonly and you'll find that you are wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474022) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:36 AM Author: lime parlor of course it solves it. College is used as a proxy for intelligence. if employers can give an IQ test, the need largely goes away and it becomes what it used to be - a finishing school for the highly intelligent and/or upper class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474332) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:35 AM Author: Cerebral primrose shrine stain um, your first point is total bs for any private sector job (and even certain public sector jobs like the foreign service have ways to get around it). its just that most companies don't care to do it--there are exceptions like barzini's company which basically solely hired him off the test he took when he applied.
it has far more to do with this: most people can still afford college, through some combination of parents and loans. people who go to college are at the very least not total 18 year old shitheads and may have learned something. therefore there is no reason not to hire college grads when theres an ample supply |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 8:12 AM Author: Mind-boggling cream masturbator chapel the uk and euro countries all use aptitude tests, yet they all indulge in exactly the same sort of over education of their citizens. you basically cannot get a good job in those countries without a degree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474021) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:19 AM Author: opaque jew heaven Congresswoman Virginia Foxx 1230 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515
Are we going to inundate this crusty old cunt with hate mail, or what? |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:23 AM Author: tan heady pozpig trailer park lol at the MAD AS FUKKK ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474132) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:25 AM Author: opaque jew heaven We need to fight the boomer menace, bro. If you're not with us, you're against us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474137) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:07 AM Author: Contagious windowlicker ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474427) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:35 AM Author: Flesh boltzmann link to schools like UCLA and Mich taking swarths of CC transfers like everyone is saying itt? I think that would be harder than people are making it out to be. Especially in majors like CS and engineering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474160) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:42 AM Author: opaque jew heaven IKR? If it were that easy, everyone would do it.
Kind of like the "Just do nursing, bro" and "Just do engineering, bro" memes that have been propagated. Everyone just did it and now nurses and engineers can't get jobs. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:54 AM Author: Chestnut ticket booth halford Tell me more about the suffering of nurses. Are they really unemployed like JDs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474195) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:38 AM Author: lime parlor nope. Nurses have it fucking made.
Engineers, I hear varied things. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:12 PM Author: Chocolate marvelous plaza http://www.smc.edu/StudentServices/TransferServices/Pages/Transfer-Admission-Guaranteed-Programs.aspx
for mich this link says that 301 out of 634 transfer applications from michigan community college were accepted so they take almost half of those who apply.
http://commcoll.umich.edu/apply/mythbusters.html
i went to one of the better UC's but not berkeley and it was quite easy for people to transfer into our class as sophomores or juniors from other cali colleges, including community colleges. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:06 AM Author: ungodly obsidian field dog poop she sounds like a real retard, someone email her this thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474227) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:24 AM Author: Yapping tanning salon You all are just MAD because BOOMER ARE STYLIN' ALL OVER YOUR LIVES... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474277) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:30 AM Author: duck-like arousing public bath rigpig Damn this is infuriating. My parents used to do shit like this all the time by telling us how they worked worked odd jobs through college to pay for it themselves. They finally shut the fuck up once they saw our tuition rates and realized you would need a high paying full-time job to even make a dent in tuition.
It also reminds me of my dad would tell us stories about how he nearly flunked out of high school several times. He went to HYP for college. All he had to do was apply and be willing to pay tuition.
Fuck this generation dudes |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:05 AM Author: Anal gold home tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474417) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:39 AM Author: lime parlor Remember the REAL problem - federal government involvement in education as a whole. They give aid to colleges, they subsidize loans, and then the colleges jack up prices because people will pay. They then hold colleges hostage for things like Title IX - making up women's "sports" that higher tuition helps to pay for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474345) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:49 AM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook JESUS FUCKING CHRIST CONTURDS: is every fucking problem in the world solveable by just dismantling the fucking god damn federal government?
You guys are such fuckin trolls with no mental ability. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:20 AM Author: duck-like arousing public bath rigpig (low iq schtick) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474470) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:22 PM Author: Exhilarant salmon mother i am libtarded but the ease of student loans is a real problem largely caused by the govt, that has inflated higher Ed costs
we should have a system of heavily subsidized and cheap state schools that mostly cater to in state students, and private schools that charge a reasonable tuition based on need |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 10:52 AM Author: beady-eyed water buffalo base That's what always happens when Uncle Sam becomes a consumer. Biggest wallet in the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474389) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:06 AM Author: brindle ape why doesn't this happen in other countries? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474423) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:24 AM Author: duck-like arousing public bath rigpig (guy willfully ignoring the fact that Spain, Italy, and Greece are on the verge of total bankruptcy) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474485) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:29 AM Author: brindle ape http://www.mcgill.ca/student-accounts/tuition-fees/general-information/fees-residency
Canada isn't. Anyway, I don't think that university tuitions are what's bankrupting Greece. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:56 PM Author: duck-like arousing public bath rigpig This is funny, because when I posted the above I KNEW you were going to come back with the "I don't think university tuition is what's bankrupting Greece"
Your response is truly myopic to the point of stupidity. Obviously no one is asserting that government funded higher education is the single reason for economic problems. In fact, no one asserts that ANY one thing is the single reason for economic problems.
The point, which you missed, is that countries whose governments actively participate in private industries have bad track records (Spain, Italy, Greece)
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:23 AM Author: milky kitchen legal warrant not really
problem is a having mixed quasi private system
you could have a perfectly rational wholly gov run system of higher education. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:06 AM Author: Flesh boltzmann UNC still is pretty damn cheap.
http://admissions.unc.edu/Aid_and_Scholarships/Tuition_and_Fees/default.html
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:15 AM Author: Rambunctious bateful abode 80k all in for instate residents. You realize in every other country in the world that would be considered patently absurd, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474461) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:19 AM Author: Chestnut ticket booth halford Then move to France. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474469) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:28 AM Author: brindle ape http://www.mcgill.ca/student-accounts/tuition-fees/general-information/fees-residency
McGill students from Quebec pay 2700 for 30 credits. In the US it's rare to find a community college that cheap. |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 1:57 PM Author: Ruby shivering business firm http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/link/students/fees13/dom_ase.htm?quot;%20title=
Not all Canadians Universities are as cheap as McGill. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:25 AM Author: milky kitchen legal warrant 80k ALL IN is fine. the majority of that is living expenses... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474488) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 8:50 PM Author: blathering kitty meetinghouse Someone who pays 80k for a college education is going to graduate with 50k+ in students loans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20478175) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:28 AM Author: Flesh boltzmann a lot of those expenses could be reduced and you have to eat/have a place to stay regardless. $7K for tuition is not a lot.
you are right that $500 a month for rent would be considered absurd in most countries. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:17 PM Author: Chocolate marvelous plaza lol it's $7k/yr in tuition. live with ten roommates if you're that fucking poor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475166) |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:01 PM Author: Ruby shivering business firm The Room/Board/Books/Travel expenses are worst case. If you live in a single, have the most expensive meal plan, and buy new books from the campus bookstore, it's going to be expensive.
You can live off campus with roommates, not eat 3 meals/day at the dining hall, and use the internet to get used books.
Only the straight tuition rates are comparable. |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:34 AM Author: Pearl locus goyim lot of trolling for community college on a (at least formerly) prestige obsessed forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474519) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:37 AM Author: Maroon concupiscible dilemma nowag Just do taco truck bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474530) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:35 AM Author: Maroon concupiscible dilemma nowag I can't believe people think the answer is to go to retard college for 2 years then hopefully transfer to Ohio state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474522) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:37 AM Author: opaque jew heaven It's like this bort has been invaded by shitboomers or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474527) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:38 AM Author: Flesh boltzmann guys from my hs transferred from CC to Berkeley all the time, it was nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474534) |
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Date: January 24th, 2013 11:17 PM Author: titillating splenetic casino mexican feels good man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#22498446) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 11:38 AM Author: Pearl locus goyim obviously if there are no jobs for highly credentialed people in the market now, just go to community college for that desirable degree - you'll be a much sought after commodity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474535) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:37 PM Author: lascivious drunken senate travel guidebook (Nation of 250 million people going to JCs, 25 million children of rich boomers attending real colleges. PROFIT, WIN) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20474880) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 12:50 PM Author: milky kitchen legal warrant http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rocky-acosta/15/a3/319?trk=pub-pbmap
looks like it is bro |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:18 PM Author: Chocolate marvelous plaza i can't believe people think the answer is to go to retard college (any private non HYP) for four years and accumulate $180k in non-dischargable debt for a bachelor of arts degree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475175) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 1:57 PM Author: Maroon concupiscible dilemma nowag lots of private schools have excellent need based financial aid. Stanford is cheaper for a middle class kid than any of the UC's and probably Cal State too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475453) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:00 PM Author: opaque jew heaven And the ivies now give full rides to pretty much all middle class kids who get in. The kids who get screwed are those with parents who can pay but refuse to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475473) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:19 PM Author: Aquamarine Cuckoldry Whorehouse "Hopefully"
Any non-retard can do this easily. People don't like doing this because they would like to have four years to socialize in an uncontrolled environment. This preference shouldn't be subsidized or encouraged |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:38 PM Author: Honey-headed adulterous school cafeteria lol bro have you gone to CC recently? there are plenty of azns in CA trying to game the system by doing this and many fail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20478551) |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 1:22 PM Author: maize useless brakes sneaky criminal A man who has been in decline since 18, V3 ugrad -> V6 LS -> V17 firm -> midlaw, believes the sanctity of $50K undergrad must be protected, why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20482499) |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:03 PM Author: Maroon concupiscible dilemma nowag Thank you for admitting Stanford is top 3.
More like T5 -> T4 or 5 -> V10. You gotta take into account when I was there. |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 1:45 PM Author: turquoise menage just do OSU-Newark, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20482714) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:01 PM Author: Know-it-all White Coffee Pot Double Fault An absolute fucking retard makes an absolutely fucking retarded statement but pumos still lick her boots because of the "R" by her name (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475479) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:02 PM Author: opaque jew heaven probably cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475481) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 2:21 PM Author: Carmine parlour brethren CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20475573) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 3:34 PM Author: Trip lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476114) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 4:05 PM Author: Exciting Overrated Messiness Piazza Question for Foxx:
Assume the student has average living expenses and goes to the average state university. If the student works 20 hours per week and receives no outside assistance, how much must the student make per hour to incur no debt? |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 4:10 PM Author: odious orchestra pit Bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20476301) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:26 PM Author: Clear appetizing crackhouse regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20478463) |
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Date: April 16th, 2012 9:45 PM Author: rose underhanded state i am leaving this country (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20478611) |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 1:06 PM Author: Clear appetizing crackhouse regret y bro? where? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20482393) |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:06 PM Author: rose underhanded state the demographics ensure that our generation will be fucked. there's no way around it.
the only opportunity left in America is in tech, and you don't have to live here to do that. all other industries are fucked except finance or one of the industries like law that feeds off of finance, in which case you'll have a few years of working like a dog in a shitty environment to suck away whatever profits you can from the rest of the economy while adding no value. meanwhile, you'll be absolutely fucked by taxes because of the demographics and the rest of the country will see you as rich and evil and be OK with taking 50% of your income because they are in one of the other sectors that is declining.
don't know where i'm going yet. |
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Date: April 17th, 2012 2:33 PM Author: Garnet Mood Stag Film you forgot the energy industry, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#20483076) |
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Date: November 12th, 2012 2:07 PM Author: Cheese-eating Ceo Corn Cake bump was this idiot reelected (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#22027843) |
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Date: November 12th, 2012 2:17 PM Author: Khaki Big Reading Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2012#North_Carolina (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#22027950) |
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Date: November 12th, 2012 2:21 PM Author: tripping institution trust fund As a Democrat and a person who has student loan debt, I absolutely agree with this. People need to take personal responsibility for their own financial decisions. The key word here is DECISION. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1925090&forum_id=2#22027972) |
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Date: November 12th, 2012 2:54 PM Author: Misunderstood Kink-friendly School follow the common wisdom!
you're an idiot for following the common wisdom! |
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