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UPenn LawProf Amy Wax on IQ and Disparate Impact

Just read the whole damn thing. This woman has balls of stee...
razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt
  07/06/12
I endorse this scholar
crusty racy indian lodge
  07/07/12
But what about multiple intelligences?!
mentally impaired medicated tank double fault
  07/30/15
saytpEQ
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know-it-all private investor
  07/06/12
You racist fuck!!!
self-centered hominid native
  07/06/12
*Leiter angrily fires up his MacBook*
self-centered hominid native
  07/06/12
Leiter's "scholarship" is about as substantive as ...
razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt
  07/06/12
"Stay in your lane, Brian. Stay in the lines."
stirring casino candlestick maker
  07/31/15
Too bad comments are disabled, it would be fun to watch the ...
Anal Curious Hall Nowag
  07/06/12
The ones who are dumb enough to respond emotionally wouldn't...
razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt
  07/06/12
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Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home
  07/07/12
Read this article you faggots
self-centered hominid native
  07/06/12
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razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt
  07/06/12
an honest jew, what a delightful surprise
alcoholic ticket booth associate
  07/06/12
this isn't the first time she's written about it either. thi...
Frozen Toaster Kitty Cat
  07/06/12
so, basically, disparate impact says: "blacks are incom...
Costumed fluffy theater stage becky
  07/06/12
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Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home
  07/07/12
Maybe we should hire her as XO's new Education Director?
Pink resort
  07/06/12
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razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt
  07/06/12
I'm not sure she adequately addresses the issue of "ran...
Bronze gaming laptop
  07/06/12
you seem confused. what she's saying is that we see g being...
supple love of her life liquid oxygen
  07/06/12
yes, i was confused. thank you for clearing this up. so th...
Bronze gaming laptop
  07/06/12
right.
supple love of her life liquid oxygen
  07/06/12
I will be the king of cashiers. THE KING!
mentally impaired medicated tank double fault
  07/06/12
I like lawyer bros with relatively low iqs, like 120s. They...
Boyish transparent milk
  07/06/12
cr
supple love of her life liquid oxygen
  07/06/12
Majority of T14 students have IQs somewhere in the 120s.
Adventurous party of the first part
  07/09/12
doubtful, silly
Overrated doctorate spot
  07/31/15
Entirely believable.
Twisted Station
  07/31/15
Do we believe LSAT correlates with IQ?
Appetizing public bath
  07/31/15
the entire HR and pre-employment apparatus is built around t...
free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma
  07/06/12
the legal profession has been doing exactly this for years.
supple love of her life liquid oxygen
  07/06/12
banks/financial institutions are starting to catch on too. S...
free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma
  07/06/12
they're not "starting" - this has been the case fo...
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  07/07/12
i say starting because i think this will ultimately lead to ...
free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma
  07/07/12
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wonderful hospital
  07/09/12
do you think the hiring emphasis on ls grades comes from a b...
Bronze gaming laptop
  07/06/12
both
supple love of her life liquid oxygen
  07/06/12
only pretty loosely by school rank. if they wanted to do it ...
wonderful hospital
  07/09/12
You kinda do, actually. Stanford doesn't place nationally n...
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Cr. I think the implications of this article are much more s...
self-centered hominid native
  07/07/12
there would still be lengthy and arbitrary interviews bro. i...
alcoholic ticket booth associate
  07/07/12
At least aptitude can get you an interview.
self-centered hominid native
  07/07/12
i didn't say when the disparate impact standard was thrown o...
free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma
  07/07/12
elite consulting operates entirely on hiring smart people, n...
slate pit
  07/07/12
her cv is incredible, but why would someone come off a harva...
Contagious locus
  07/07/12
if she's so smart how come she's a law professor?
mustard insecure step-uncle's house brethren
  07/07/12
srsly? there are few cushier jobs in the nation.
Costumed fluffy theater stage becky
  07/09/12
NYC residency bro
self-centered hominid native
  07/07/12
Probably had a 180/4.33, but wrote about IQ and disparate in...
Electric sienna depressive codepig
  07/30/15
i want to see some shitlib commentary ITT. u mad libs?
free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma
  07/07/12
They are so mad...mad that Amy Wax copped dat STEM degree, d...
self-centered hominid native
  07/07/12
Imagine a world where you could get interviews on the basis ...
self-centered hominid native
  07/09/12
you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
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  07/31/15
Irony is that this bitch probably got her gig at a top LS be...
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  07/09/12
ljfl her name is WAX. you know what that derives from? WAXMA...
Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home
  07/31/15
except she graduated from med school and did her first year ...
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The problem with building your policy on lies is that eventu...
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  07/31/15
protip: youre right except neither of the two things about c...
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"or that deporting 12 million illegal immigrants or kee...
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Acceptance of gays in general has already led to great socia...
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Here's a 180 incident when she visited Middlebury. http:/...
Stimulating useless dragon
  07/31/15
the audio from the lecture and q&a: http://www.middbe...
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She’s a white academic who claims that her quantitative data...
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Those smug, shitlib retards in the audience should be gassed...
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Here's a 180 Op Ed from her: http://www.wsj.com/articles/...
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This is really an incredible editorial. I've been waiting ye...
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Um, it just was said in our public sphere, this is from the ...
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10 years ago.
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probably wouldn't fly today, in the era of twitter/buzzfeed/...
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Irregardless
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180
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My hero: Short of outright coercion, it is literally impo...
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  07/31/15
strong fucking post
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Frozen Toaster Kitty Cat
  08/15/17
XO Amy Wax being a hero
Appetizing public bath
  07/31/15
This was written by a Jewish woman????
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  07/31/15
They're not all kikes brah!!!
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they banned her from teaching 1Ls
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Date: July 6th, 2012 12:00 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt

Just read the whole damn thing. This woman has balls of steel. In thirty years, writing this will likely get you a stiff prison sentence.

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-dead-end-of-disparate-impact

Contrary to the Supreme Court's assumption in Griggs, the comparative power of IQ extends even to relatively uncomplicated positions requiring modest skills, such as clerical or retail work. What this means is that hiring on the basis of intelligence — as opposed to other, non-cognitive personal attributes or talents — will almost always produce better-performing workers.

As for alternatives to written tests, it is revealing that no relevant research findings were adduced (either by New Haven or in the amici briefs for the city's case) to support the assertion in Ricci that alternative job screens can achieve better results while promoting diversity. Although studies show that written tests of job knowledge are robust predictors of performance in public-safety jobs like policing and firefighting, "assessment center" procedures like those touted in the Ricci briefs rarely achieve comparable validity. And even when such procedures reduce adverse impact, the effects are usually too modest to satisfy legal standards. All told, there is essentially no credible evidence that "better" selection methods — ones that are equally or more valid but have less adverse impact — exist or can be readily devised.

This is not for lack of trying. An entire cottage industry is now devoted to refining personnel selection with the goal of increasing work-force diversity without compromising an employer's search for the most able employees. This quest has spawned a voluminous literature; the basic approach in nearly every case is to de-emphasize the academic and analytic measures on which minorities lag behind in favor of other abilities that yield smaller or non-existent racial differences.

This work has produced uniformly disappointing results. Except in highly specialized circumstances or in staffing for the least competitive jobs, adopting alternative screening methods that minimize the significance of abilities related to intelligence almost always results in the selection of less capable workers. The reason is simple: The paucity of non-Asian minorities in competitive positions reflects real differences in human capital and skill. Thus changing entry requirements to create a more diverse work force, including scrapping existing civil-service exams, will generally not result in a more qualified work force. For now, the diversity-validity tradeoff remains the iron law of personnel selection.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21027760)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:07 AM
Author: crusty racy indian lodge

I endorse this scholar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033793)



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Date: July 30th, 2015 11:50 PM
Author: mentally impaired medicated tank double fault

But what about multiple intelligences?!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28446985)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 12:07 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home

saytpEQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28447151)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 12:04 PM
Author: know-it-all private investor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21027782)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 12:11 PM
Author: self-centered hominid native

You racist fuck!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21027813)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 12:13 PM
Author: self-centered hominid native

*Leiter angrily fires up his MacBook*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21027829)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 12:19 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt

Leiter's "scholarship" is about as substantive as a three-year old's coloring book compared to Wax.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21027861)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:02 PM
Author: stirring casino candlestick maker

"Stay in your lane, Brian. Stay in the lines."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450248)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 12:18 PM
Author: Anal Curious Hall Nowag

Too bad comments are disabled, it would be fun to watch the shitlibs descend on this story.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21027860)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 12:20 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt

The ones who are dumb enough to respond emotionally wouldn't be able to understand it. The ones who can understand it would furrow their brows and then click back to Gawker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21027870)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 10:54 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033728)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:05 PM
Author: self-centered hominid native

Read this article you faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21028169)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:07 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21028181)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:08 PM
Author: alcoholic ticket booth associate

an honest jew, what a delightful surprise

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21028186)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:20 PM
Author: Frozen Toaster Kitty Cat

this isn't the first time she's written about it either. this woman is a fucking hero as far as I'm concerned.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1795443

"The combination of well-documented racial differences in cognitive ability and the consistent link between ability and job performance generates a pattern that experts term “the validity-diversity tradeoff”: job selection devices that best predict future job performance generate the smallest number of minority hires in a broad range of positions. Indeed, the evidence indicates that most valid screening devices will have a significant adverse impact on blacks and will also violate the 4/5 rule under the law of disparate impact.

Because legitimately meritocratic (that is, job-related) job selection practices will routinely trigger prima facie violations of the disparate impact rule, employers who adopt such practices run the risk of being required to justify them – a costly and difficult task that encourages undesirable, self-protective behaviors and may result in unwarranted liability."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21028252)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:25 PM
Author: Costumed fluffy theater stage becky

so, basically, disparate impact says: "blacks are incompetent - deal with it, LOL!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21028291)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 10:55 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033734)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 1:34 PM
Author: Pink resort

Maybe we should hire her as XO's new Education Director?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21028343)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 3:38 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle sickened people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21029004)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 5:44 PM
Author: Bronze gaming laptop

I'm not sure she adequately addresses the issue of "range restriction" that she, in fairness, brings up. Does the overall dominance of g as a selection criterion hold true for the narrow band of a particular profession, and does it remain as relatively dominant when compared to other factors? She seems to say no, but then spends the entire article talking about g's impact on work performance of the entire population. If g's predictive powers are much weaker in any given particular profession, why all the outrage? A little clarity on this subject would have helped. Any statistics mastermen care to weigh in?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21029735)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 6:21 PM
Author: supple love of her life liquid oxygen

you seem confused. what she's saying is that we see g being predictive even in shitty clerical professions. but because of range restrictions, the effect may be even MORE pronounced than we see.

most people in a given profession have similar iqs--and EVEN THEN we see how much it matters--but the clustering means it probably matters even more than we think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21029959)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 6:35 PM
Author: Bronze gaming laptop

yes, i was confused. thank you for clearing this up. so the validity of g is in the .5-.6 range within individual profession bands?

edit: nm. i guess this seems obvious in retrospect. how would we even go about measuring the on-the-job performance of 80 iq astrophysicists against their more able colleagues?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030066)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 6:44 PM
Author: supple love of her life liquid oxygen

right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030114)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 6:48 PM
Author: mentally impaired medicated tank double fault

I will be the king of cashiers. THE KING!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030133)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 7:09 PM
Author: Boyish transparent milk

I like lawyer bros with relatively low iqs, like 120s. They are the coolest to hang out with and shoot shit with in courthouse. They are hilariously lazy and have the best stories.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030282)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 7:10 PM
Author: supple love of her life liquid oxygen

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030290)



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Date: July 9th, 2012 6:29 PM
Author: Adventurous party of the first part

Majority of T14 students have IQs somewhere in the 120s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21049293)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 10:28 AM
Author: Overrated doctorate spot

doubtful, silly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28448918)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:14 PM
Author: Twisted Station

Entirely believable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450315)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:36 PM
Author: Appetizing public bath

Do we believe LSAT correlates with IQ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450486)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 6:52 PM
Author: free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma

the entire HR and pre-employment apparatus is built around the lie that only through lengthy and arbitrary interviews assessing "interpersonal skills" can a person's true value as an employee be determined. as soon as the world realizes this isn't the case and employers start placing a much reduced weight on interviews the economy will experience a significant productivity boost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030155)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 6:54 PM
Author: supple love of her life liquid oxygen

the legal profession has been doing exactly this for years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030168)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 6:57 PM
Author: free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma

banks/financial institutions are starting to catch on too. SAT scores are often requested on resumes or asked for in interviews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030191)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:03 AM
Author: Fantasy-prone geriatric garrison roast beef

they're not "starting" - this has been the case for a long time. consulting firms and buyside firms do the same thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033769)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:06 AM
Author: free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma

i say starting because i think this will ultimately lead to the conclusion that they need better, more reliable measures of intelligence during the interview process. it's still in the early stages

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033789)



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Date: July 9th, 2012 6:20 PM
Author: wonderful hospital



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21049223)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 7:03 PM
Author: Bronze gaming laptop

do you think the hiring emphasis on ls grades comes from a belief in their correlation with intelligence or a belief in their correlation with the ability to grind like a mofo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030242)



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Date: July 6th, 2012 7:09 PM
Author: supple love of her life liquid oxygen

both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21030287)



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Date: July 9th, 2012 6:20 PM
Author: wonderful hospital

only pretty loosely by school rank. if they wanted to do it much more efficiently they'd go off LSATs. they'd also treat low LSAT schools like Stanford and Boalt differently from their peers, yet we don't see this to be the case.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21049226)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 2:06 AM
Author: Cracking ultramarine famous landscape painting

You kinda do, actually. Stanford doesn't place nationally nearly as well as H and Y and Boalt is basically a regional school. OTOH, Chicago is treated like a deputy HYS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#33991662)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 10:47 AM
Author: self-centered hominid native

Cr. I think the implications of this article are much more serious, for are generation especially, than most people realize.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033697)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 10:56 AM
Author: alcoholic ticket booth associate

there would still be lengthy and arbitrary interviews bro. in the uk aptitude tests are used for screening and then interviews mostly decide after that...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033744)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 10:57 AM
Author: self-centered hominid native

At least aptitude can get you an interview.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033751)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:03 AM
Author: free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma

i didn't say when the disparate impact standard was thrown out this would occur. i said when employers realized that cognitive tests were far better measures of ability than interviews there would be a large gain in productivity. UK employers are able to use these tests, but they don't fully realize their value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033767)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:05 AM
Author: slate pit

elite consulting operates entirely on hiring smart people, no matter what their particular interests or talents.

You have to ace the case interviews, but those cases themselves are designed to weedout people without analytical ability.

They always ask for your test scores

This is why the industry will continue to succeed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033779)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:14 AM
Author: Contagious locus

her cv is incredible, but why would someone come off a harvard m.d. + neurology residency only to finish up law school at columbia?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033838)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:36 AM
Author: mustard insecure step-uncle's house brethren

if she's so smart how come she's a law professor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033973)



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Date: July 9th, 2012 6:35 PM
Author: Costumed fluffy theater stage becky

srsly? there are few cushier jobs in the nation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21049327)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:39 AM
Author: self-centered hominid native

NYC residency bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21033991)



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Date: July 30th, 2015 11:49 PM
Author: Electric sienna depressive codepig

Probably had a 180/4.33, but wrote about IQ and disparate in her personal statement, getting her autodinged from lipschitz YHS.

CLS needed her LSAT score to keep their median high, so they waved her in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28446974)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:48 AM
Author: free-loading beta wrinkle friendly grandma

i want to see some shitlib commentary ITT. u mad libs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21034039)



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Date: July 7th, 2012 11:50 AM
Author: self-centered hominid native

They are so mad...mad that Amy Wax copped dat STEM degree, dat MD, dat Marshall, and dat CLS JD OFS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21034056)



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Date: July 9th, 2012 6:07 PM
Author: self-centered hominid native

Imagine a world where you could get interviews on the basis of IQ as opposed to pointless low-signal rent-seeking degrees and bullshit "experience," bros. Imagining it is about all you can do...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21049151)



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Date: July 9th, 2012 6:29 PM
Author: Frozen Toaster Kitty Cat

you may say I'm a dreamer,

but I'm not the only one...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21049291)



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Date: July 30th, 2015 11:39 PM
Author: Bearded piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28446900)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 4:05 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Messiness Market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28451097)



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Date: July 9th, 2012 6:51 PM
Author: mildly autistic halford persian

Irony is that this bitch probably got her gig at a top LS because she is a woman, like most woman professors in t14's.

If they just used a intelligence test to hire professors at Penn she would not come even close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#21049424)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 12:09 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home

ljfl her name is WAX. you know what that derives from? WAXMAN. you know who is named WAXMAN? jewish geniuses like former SGOTUSA seth and that ugly fucking california turd shitlib henry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28447167)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 10:17 AM
Author: razzle khaki ape fortuitous meteor

except she graduated from med school and did her first year of law school during her residency.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28448877)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 12:06 AM
Author: provocative laser beams

The problem with building your policy on lies is that eventually they fall apart and get exposed. The GOP has suffered for this recently by peddling the idea that gay marriage will lead to some great social harm, or that deporting 12 million illegal immigrants or keeping them non-citizens is a viable option. The dems are building a similar web of lies around some of these SJW causes and over time as these efforts to diversify continually fail they will be unable to keep up the façade.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28447134)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 12:08 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home

protip: youre right except neither of the two things about cons you said were lies. hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28447157)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 10:17 AM
Author: Lascivious trump supporter

"or that deporting 12 million illegal immigrants or keeping them non-citizens is a viable option."

lol. stfu, retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28448880)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:06 PM
Author: concupiscible quadroon school



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450267)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 4:06 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Messiness Market

Acceptance of gays in general has already led to great social harm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28451103)



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Date: August 1st, 2015 1:20 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28454814)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 10:08 AM
Author: Stimulating useless dragon

Here's a 180 incident when she visited Middlebury.

http://middleburycampus.com/article/wax-lecture-stirs-controversy/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28448844)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 10:39 AM
Author: Bistre big coffee pot

the audio from the lecture and q&a:

http://www.middbeat.org/2013/11/21/today-black-people-are-lazy-and-gays-are-bad-parents/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28448973)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:23 PM
Author: hilarious stock car

She’s a white academic who claims that her quantitative data trumps the real, lived experiences of marginalized individuals!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450383)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:57 PM
Author: Thriller Impertinent Mexican

Those smug, shitlib retards in the audience should be gassed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450639)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 10:31 AM
Author: Overrated doctorate spot

Here's a 180 Op Ed from her:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB110471317183614902

Some Truths About Black Disadvantage

By AMY L. WAX

Updated Jan. 3, 2005 12:01 a.m. ET

Bill Cosby's repeated suggestion that the behavior of some American blacks impedes group progress has transgressed the long-standing taboo against "blaming the victim." Defined by sociologist William Ryan in 1971 as an attempt to explain inequality "by finding defects in the victims of inequality," victim-blaming is virtually banned from polite discourse. The time has come for that to change.

The disdain for anything that smacks of blaming the victim is based on a fundamental confusion. No one can deny that black Americans have endured a history of sustained and grievous mistreatment. Those wrongs have wreaked immeasurable harm. The key question confronting society is not how the harms occurred. Rather, the crucial issue is how to reverse them.

A central tenet of the law of remedies is that someone who harms another person -- the wrongdoer -- must undo that harm. Justice requires that the culprit right the wrong by restoring the victim to his rightful position -- the state he would have enjoyed had he never been wronged. In distinguishing between liability and remedy -- between causing harm and undoing harm -- the law also recognizes that reality can fall short of the ideal. The wrongdoer may quite literally lack the power to make the victim whole. The assailant cannot replace the eye he has destroyed. The murderer cannot bring the dead to life. Full justice for the victim may simply be out of reach.

There is a special case in which the victim's injuries can be healed -- but not, unfortunately, by the culpable party. Rather, in a cruel twist of fate, the victim is the only one who can wholly undo the harm he has suffered from others' wrongful actions. The victim must restore himself to the rightful position.

Consider the parable of the paraplegic. A reckless driver runs over a pedestrian, leaving him unable to walk. The driver pays for the pedestrian's treatment and physical therapy, but recovery will require a long, exhausting, and painful effort. The victim is angry. It's not his fault, so why must he face an overwhelming, uphill struggle? But there is no help for it. Although the driver can and must pay, he cannot guarantee success. He cannot make his victim walk again.

The parable illuminates the present dilemma of black disadvantage. There is no question that the social problems blacks face today are the outgrowth of slavery and gross oppression. Unfortunately, centuries of bias have distorted the victims' behavior and values. Bad habits take on a life of their own, impeding the ability to grasp widening opportunities as society progresses, discrimination abates, and old obstacles fall away. The victim himself has changed in ways that place him beyond the reach of outside help alone.

Enduring injuries to human capital are now the most destructive legacy of racism. Evidence suggests that soft behavioral factors, including low educational attainment, poor socialization and work habits, paternal abandonment, family disarray, and non-marital childbearing, now loom larger than overt exclusion as barriers to racial equality. But society's power to address these patterns is severely limited. Short of outright coercion, it is literally impossible for the government or outsiders to change dysfunctional behavior or make good choices for individuals. No one can force a person to obey the law, study hard, develop useful skills, be well-mannered, speak and write well, work steadily, marry and stay married, be a devoted husband and father, and refrain from bearing children he cannot or will not support. These decisions belong to individuals and families.

The quest for justice blinds us to these hard truths, fueling the demand that those who created the problem solve it. Because the ideal is that society should fix what's broken, everyone wants to believe society can. Indeed, it is often assumed that everything can be made right just by reversing course. If discrimination is the culprit, then eliminating it is the cure. If racism is to blame, purging racism will do the trick. This is the myth of reverse causation.

* * *

The law recognizes that reverse causation doesn't always work. Liability may diverge from remedy. The one who caused the problem cannot necessarily solve it. That something is fair does not mean that it is possible. Others can help, but there are some things people can only do for themselves. What do these insights mean for thinking about racial inequality?

First, accepting a key role for victims does not really "blame the victim" because it implies no exoneration of the wrongdoer. Slavery and discrimination, not blacks themselves, brought us to the current predicament. That means that the government must do what it can to eliminate racial disadvantage. Given the nature of the problem, however, its role is necessarily modest. The key reforms must come from within individuals and communities.

True racial justice may not be achievable. Is it fair to charge blacks with the weighty task of self-improvement when others' wrongs have made their burden so great? The answer must be no. But that doesn't change reality. Just as the careless driver can bankroll recovery but cannot make the paraplegic walk again, the government and society can supply resources and create opportunities but cannot return blacks to their rightful place. Try as they might, they cannot fully restore the victims' capacities. Only the victim can heal himself.

Third, rehearsing the history of racial oppression, although important for moral clarity, is of little use in addressing current inequalities. In seeking solutions, we must look forward rather than dwell on the past because the way out of the present dilemma may not resemble the path in. Trial and error, aided by an open mind and a willingness to do what works, should be the order of the day. Above all, the road to true equality begins at home.

Finally, the persistence of racial disadvantage does not mean that society has failed to do enough. The greatest need at present may not be more government spending and new programs but a conversion experience. The victim must see that, although others have wronged him, his fate lies in his own hands. Justice may be forever elusive, but success is the best revenge.

Ms. Wax is Professor of Law, University of Pennsylvania Law School.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28448927)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 1:05 PM
Author: fishy abode dog poop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28449769)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 1:57 PM
Author: judgmental trailer park

This is really an incredible editorial. I've been waiting years to see this. It avoids the typical right-wing, XO racism, acknowledges history, but reminds blacks they have to take some ownership, irregardless of the injustices that have been placed upon them. This is so CR. It could never be said in our public spheres.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450202)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:05 PM
Author: concupiscible quadroon school

Um, it just was said in our public sphere, this is from the WSJ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450263)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:23 PM
Author: Irradiated twinkling uncleanness space

10 years ago.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450380)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:47 PM
Author: shimmering electric furnace

probably wouldn't fly today, in the era of twitter/buzzfeed/gawker.

a lynchmob would be knocking on the WSJ's doors and they'd cave like they scared, little cuckPIGs they most certainly are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450575)



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Date: August 1st, 2015 1:26 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28454841)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 3:29 PM
Author: razzle khaki ape fortuitous meteor

Irregardless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450858)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:32 PM
Author: Twisted Station

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450454)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 3:33 PM
Author: crusty racy indian lodge

My hero:

Short of outright coercion, it is literally impossible for the government or outsiders to change dysfunctional behavior or make good choices for individuals. No one can force a person to obey the law, study hard, develop useful skills, be well-mannered, speak and write well, work steadily, marry and stay married, be a devoted husband and father, and refrain from bearing children he cannot or will not support. These decisions belong to individuals and families.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450887)



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Date: August 1st, 2015 1:03 AM
Author: Frozen Toaster Kitty Cat

strong fucking post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28454715)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 1:39 AM
Author: Frozen Toaster Kitty Cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#33991564)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:22 PM
Author: Appetizing public bath

XO Amy Wax being a hero

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450370)



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Date: July 31st, 2015 2:51 PM
Author: charismatic cruise ship

This was written by a Jewish woman????

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28450595)



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Date: August 1st, 2015 1:27 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home

They're not all kikes brah!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#28454847)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 1:44 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#33991578)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 11:22 PM
Author: cocky rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#35649967)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 11:37 PM
Author: mauve heaven alpha

they banned her from teaching 1Ls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#35650082)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:18 AM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home

shocker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#35650326)



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Date: December 26th, 2021 8:48 PM
Author: Comical Avocado Sound Barrier Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1987645&forum_id=2#43680462)