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exit options from national L&E "boutique"

Think oagletree deakins, littler, jackson lewis. Been here ...
Crystalline step-uncle's house
  04/02/13
Welcome to Plaintiffs side employment law
walnut learning disabled associate
  04/02/13
99% of these firms are shit. i'll do doc review or leave law...
Crystalline step-uncle's house
  04/02/13
Some of them must make money otherwise there'd be no LE liti...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
rofl uh, there are no exit options
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
I thought L&E had the benefit of good in-house exit ops,...
maize rehab idea he suggested
  04/02/13
Yeah, LE is good for inhouse options but the OP doesnt have ...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
i lateraled as a 5th year, so i have experience (a lot, actu...
Crystalline step-uncle's house
  04/02/13
yea BIGLAW is shit.. just apply inhouse.. u prob have enough...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
just do: help fuck over workers, bro
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
this is american way
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
what does a 1st/2nd yr in oglatree make
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
if they are in NYC/LA etc probably 20-30k less than v10 firm...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
how much in an atlanta or minneapolis cannot believe thes...
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
check nalpdirectory in case u haven't noticed like every ...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
i can confirm all of the above. we represent a lot of househ...
Crystalline step-uncle's house
  04/02/13
are all of these firms defense side? or both?
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
management-only as far as i know. i don't think they dabble ...
Crystalline step-uncle's house
  04/02/13
% of the work is legitimately fucking over poor worker bros?
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
basically 99%- from what ive seen all defense side firm's do...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
lol at our divergent replies. You a plaintiff's side bro?
walnut learning disabled associate
  04/02/13
i was not referring to whether the cases are legit or not.. ...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
180, noticed that
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
Maybe 10-20% of cases are legit,and most of those cases will...
walnut learning disabled associate
  04/02/13
its their own fucking fault..
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
labor and employment? you should be able to get in house ea...
Bipolar gay space regret
  04/02/13
how do you get one of these gigs as a first year associate? ...
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
lateral. i traded up, from a solo's office, which i suppose ...
Crystalline step-uncle's house
  04/02/13
know someone who got it after being UNEMPLOYED coming out of...
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
most of the big boutiques have summer associate programs but...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
I worked at a F500, before law school. Most of the L&E ...
charcoal doctorate
  04/02/13
this is why i wish i'd done L&E
Bipolar gay space regret
  04/02/13
dont any lit ppl who go inhouse just farm out work to law fi...
emerald razzmatazz place of business
  04/02/13
that's what corp people do too (supervise outside counsel)
Bipolar gay space regret
  04/02/13
Yes, they farmed out all trial work. The VP of the group (ol...
charcoal doctorate
  04/02/13
At my megacrop, if the potential liability crosses a certain...
Hilarious domesticated puppy toilet seat
  08/21/17
why do firms even bother hiring minorities; seems like costs...
bisexual therapy
  04/02/13
just do exit to regular "biglaw" (Jill Filapovi...
Glittery personal credit line
  04/02/13
i was looking at jackson lewis and littler. seems like they...
cerebral area
  04/03/13
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Crystalline step-uncle's house
  05/26/18
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Lascivious Carmine Theater Blood Rage
  08/21/17
State?
Navy exciting newt
  05/26/18
If you do L&E, just chop your balls off.
odious wagecucks base
  05/26/18
coke and trannies, apparently
Smoky french chef
  08/22/18
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Crystalline step-uncle's house
  08/22/18
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irradiated very tactful shrine
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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:11 PM
Author: Crystalline step-uncle's house

Think oagletree deakins, littler, jackson lewis. Been here for 7-8 months. got great feedback at first and got lots of work. haven't been getting much lately, and recently managing partner wasn't too happy with a brief i wrote (although the next thing i gave him he said was "great"). can't decide whether things are just slow, or i need to get off my ass to get work, or it's hopeless and people are phasing me out. assuming the latter, where can i end up?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925764)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:13 PM
Author: walnut learning disabled associate

Welcome to Plaintiffs side employment law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925776)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:17 PM
Author: Crystalline step-uncle's house

99% of these firms are shit. i'll do doc review or leave law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925803)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

Some of them must make money otherwise there'd be no LE litigation faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925829)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:14 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

rofl uh, there are no exit options

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925779)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:17 PM
Author: maize rehab idea he suggested

I thought L&E had the benefit of good in-house exit ops, since basically every company has employment issues. The associates who have left the L&E section at my firm definitely seem to have found decent jobs. I can't imagine it would be different from one of the well-known management side firms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925808)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:20 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

Yeah, LE is good for inhouse options but the OP doesnt have nearly enough experience. If he is fucked after just 7m he has no future and shld just hang himself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925825)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:26 PM
Author: Crystalline step-uncle's house

i lateraled as a 5th year, so i have experience (a lot, actually because i started out with a solo and was co-chairing NLRB trials and handling EEOC investigations on my own) before i came here. now it's 5 attorneys staffed on a case, and i get asked to do discrete research assignments. i guess i shouldn't complain, but it is a bit disappointing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925865)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:27 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

yea BIGLAW is shit.. just apply inhouse.. u prob have enough experience.. back when id check inhouse job postings literally like 15-25% were probably for LE... its one of the most common

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925875)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

just do: help fuck over workers, bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925830)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:24 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

this is american way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925852)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:21 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

what does a 1st/2nd yr in oglatree make

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925833)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:24 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

if they are in NYC/LA etc probably 20-30k less than v10 firm, not including bonus

if in atlanta less

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925850)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:30 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

how much in an atlanta or minneapolis

cannot believe these firms have enough work to pay a first year associate anything in the 6 figures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925905)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:33 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

check nalpdirectory

in case u haven't noticed like every fuckin company in america has LE issues and these national boutiques do a lot of work for the fortune 500 companies so definitely enough work to go around and it is recession proof basically

all the ones OP mentioned pay six figures in major markets.. probably even in shittier places like phoenix and atlanta too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925930)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM
Author: Crystalline step-uncle's house

i can confirm all of the above. we represent a lot of household names. so do the other firms.

i'd say in a secondary market, starting pay is 110-120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925940)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

are all of these firms defense side? or both?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925948)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:37 PM
Author: Crystalline step-uncle's house

management-only as far as i know. i don't think they dabble in plaintiffs/union work for obvious conflicts reasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925959)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:38 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

% of the work is legitimately fucking over poor worker bros?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925963)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:43 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

basically 99%- from what ive seen all defense side firm's do is try to DESTROY an employee who sues a company.. u just say they were a horrible employee and they have all sorts of non-work related emotional issues.. just absolutely destroy a human being.. its fucking pathetic in a way that even other BIGLAW specialties arent as pathetic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925995)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: walnut learning disabled associate

lol at our divergent replies. You a plaintiff's side bro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926011)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:46 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

i was not referring to whether the cases are legit or not.. i was just saying that in 99% of cases defense side LE lawyers will try to destory the fucking employee-plaintiff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926019)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:47 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

180, noticed that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926024)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:43 PM
Author: walnut learning disabled associate

Maybe 10-20% of cases are legit,and most of those cases will settle.

Vast majority of Title VII cases are complete shit. I can't even imagine the aggregate cost to businesses per year from having to defend all this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925996)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

its their own fucking fault..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926013)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:31 PM
Author: Bipolar gay space regret

labor and employment? you should be able to get in house easily.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925913)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:34 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

how do you get one of these gigs as a first year associate? didnt think they have SA programs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925935)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:35 PM
Author: Crystalline step-uncle's house

lateral. i traded up, from a solo's office, which i suppose counts as shitlaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925944)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:36 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

know someone who got it after being UNEMPLOYED coming out of LS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925951)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:44 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

most of the big boutiques have summer associate programs but not as huge.. they look for LE experience..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926004)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:42 PM
Author: charcoal doctorate

I worked at a F500, before law school. Most of the L&E inhouse attorneys came from actual L&E firms. Then there was a separate group of "corporate" attorneys that worked on contracts and acquisitions and shit.

Big companies are constantly sued for employment issues. Essentially, any black, any female, minority, or person over 50 has a colorful claim when they are terminated. But it seemed like the L&E attorneys basically handled mundane FMLA, ADA, and some labor shit. They would be involved with the lawsuits, but it was mostly farmed out to firms.

These guys weren't doing super exciting shit, but they had pretty decent lives. Made mid 100s, got decent bonuses, and worked sane hours (no weekends for the most part). I got to know them because we regularly played golf together after work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925985)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:44 PM
Author: Bipolar gay space regret

this is why i wish i'd done L&E

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22925997)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: emerald razzmatazz place of business

dont any lit ppl who go inhouse just farm out work to law firms? i think inhouse lit ppl just fuckin supervise and monitor outside firms who actually handle all the lit BS.. that is why inhouse is so awesome.. u dont have to do 100 page discovery requests and shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926010)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:47 PM
Author: Bipolar gay space regret

that's what corp people do too (supervise outside counsel)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926028)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 11:14 PM
Author: charcoal doctorate

Yes, they farmed out all trial work. The VP of the group (older attorney) supervised the trials. Seemed like the normal attorneys just monitored.

Day to day they handled LOTS of advisory stuff. Example: giving guidance to some redneck manager in Alabama to not retaliate against a lady with a disability (bullshit back injury). If a labor contract was up for negotiation, they would fly out and do that shit. If we needed to fire a union worker for missing work for the 10000th time, they'd pull out the CBA and give guidance.

Looking back and knowing what I know now, they really weren't doing any lawyerly shit you would do in a firm in terms of motion practice, etc.

BUT, they were "Legal." In-house prolish drones in the Corporate gave them mad respect. And instead of any random partner busting their balls/destroying their weekend, they just had one boss, like any other big company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926237)



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Date: August 21st, 2017 9:37 AM
Author: Hilarious domesticated puppy toilet seat

At my megacrop, if the potential liability crosses a certain monetary threshold or has some particular penalty (like a loss of license, etc) then it'll get farmed out. The lit attorney then essentially oversees it acting as the middle person between the business and outside counsel.

There are times when a matter doesn't meet the criteria for going to outside counsel, so then they get more heavily involved. Analyzing the issue to see whether the other side has a valid claim/dispute, and whether we should just pay now, negotiate the claim, or flat out reject.

They also get involved before there is a dispute when you know one is going to happen (either someone fucked up or we're about to deliver some really bad news to a counterparty, etc). We'll generally give them some background, and they may give us some guidance as to how to do it or that they may want to be on the call, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#34036309)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:46 PM
Author: bisexual therapy

why do firms even bother hiring minorities; seems like costs are too high

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926017)



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Date: April 2nd, 2013 10:45 PM
Author: Glittery personal credit line

just do exit to regular "biglaw"

(Jill Filapovic)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22926014)



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Date: April 3rd, 2013 12:41 PM
Author: cerebral area

i was looking at jackson lewis and littler. seems like they had a lot of F100 clients and people who left went in-house a lot into the clients.

i hate littler, btw. they're all from ttts and were super hostile toward me. jackson lewis had really nice folks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#22928683)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:04 PM
Author: Crystalline step-uncle's house



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Date: August 21st, 2017 9:28 AM
Author: Lascivious Carmine Theater Blood Rage



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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: Navy exciting newt

State?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36132168)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 3:11 PM
Author: odious wagecucks base

If you do L&E, just chop your balls off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36132175)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 5:57 AM
Author: Smoky french chef

coke and trannies, apparently

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2219619&forum_id=2#36661234)



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 7:00 AM
Author: Crystalline step-uncle's house



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Date: August 22nd, 2018 7:03 AM
Author: irradiated very tactful shrine



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