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Date: May 13th, 2013 11:08 PM Author: Citrine Party Of The First Part Twinkling Uncleanness
The deals you work on are not interesting. There is nothing interesting about anything that is even peripheral to corporate finance, mergers & acquisitions, BET-THE-COMPANY litigation, trusts & estates, intellectual property issues, transactional work, private placements, etc., Nothing. You are conning yourself into thinking that what you are doing is meaningful and it is reinforced by an entire industry devoted to puffing up the egos of empty suits with empty lives (financial media). Oh what an interesting deal! Oh how FASCINATING to think of the impact we ultimately had on preserving shareholder value. JFC, this is no way to spend the one life you have.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193465) |
Date: May 13th, 2013 11:20 PM Author: Citrine Party Of The First Part Twinkling Uncleanness
Sunday: Read the WSJ leisurely. "Stop by" the office for a few hours (in khakis!) after a rushed brunch you were not even mentally present at. End up staying for a few hours. Go home. Watch your stupid fucking AMC/HBO Sunday night shows. Post a few facebook status updates about it.
Monday through Friday: FIVE consecutive days of 930am - 11pm days. Cereal for breakfast, wraps from Pret for lunch and a SEAMLESS dinner (usually Thai or Japanese). LITERALLY spend the entire day in front of your computer, sitting your fat ass down, typing and clicking away.
Weekend's here. Go out for a drink with another miserable fuck on Friday night. Get ABSOLUTELY NO PUSSY BECAUSE YOUR JOB HAS MADE YOU BORING, PATHETIC, UNREMARKABLE AND INCAPABLE OF SEDUCING WOMEN. You get a little angry when some faggot who probably works in a mailroom, or has never seen the inside of an office building, is flirting with a girl and you know it's not a fluke and you think to yourself well surely I can do that I have so much to offer and I make all this money and my apartment is beautiful and I have a doorman there's no way that faggot has a doorman and by the time you're done thinking and being angry about this, it's 4am (because you left the office at 12) and he's already left with her.
Saturday you sleep the morning away only to completely panic when you realize that a semi-important partner who has yet to develop an opinion about you sent an e-mail at 10am and it is now 1pm and you don't even have time for coffee at home, you have to rush to the office again.
There is no amount of money that justifies this. I don't care about your stupid fucking loans or shallow upper middle class yearnings, you can make it work another way without literally signing your life, personality, TIME and future over.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193584) |
Date: May 13th, 2013 11:27 PM Author: Garnet magical institution puppy
I'm a freelance journalist and just sold my first novel to an indie publisher for a low four figure sum. Am just beginning to make a name for myself. I sit in front of a screen in a large home office six or seven days a week. The work is interesting but it's still a chore to do it some days. I spend much more time looking for new clients and researching than actually writing.
I'm lucky if I gross 45K a year, going out to dinner is a luxury. I have no health insurance. Money is a constant source of anxiety. I don't have a car and my credit is all kinds of fucked up. (Saving for one)
Would you really want to trade places with me?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193634) |
Date: May 13th, 2013 11:28 PM Author: wonderful indecent corner fat ankles
I'm doing solo and its 100 times better than BIGLAW.
Sure all law sucks but part of the reason BIGLAW sucks so much has nothin to do with law. Doing anything by retarded billable hour policies and being forced to inflate said hours would ruin anything.
Once you actually practice law it isn't taht bad esp when you have a decent idea wtf you are doing and you don't have some animal KIKE breathing down ur neck
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193647) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:15 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy lay telephone
all we need of hell - harry crews
yiddish police union -michael chabon
frank merriweather qb - forgot author
edit: i really only liked the crews book and in fact have read all his shit the last 4-5 months.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23194110) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:20 AM Author: Garnet magical institution puppy
Try Robert Stone "Dog Soldiers"
Tom Bissell essays
Barry Hannah "Airships" if you can take the voice
Jonathan Lethem if you haven't already (pre-Fortress of Solitude)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23194154) |
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Date: May 13th, 2013 11:48 PM Author: wonderful indecent corner fat ankles
he is like caribbean turdskin
cant actually think of a male turdskin american famous writer
u hae rushdie but he british really
and have bitches like jhumpa lahiri
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193886) |
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Date: May 13th, 2013 11:50 PM Author: wonderful indecent corner fat ankles
i just started so havent made much but honestly I think i can easily pull in 150-250k working maybe 20-30 hours legit a week, not even that
And client interaction is shit when u are solo cause u are ur own boss. if the client doesnt like u then he can go fuck off.. its not like BIGLAW where u arent even scared really of the client as much as pissing off the faggot kike-partner cause the client doesnt like u
biglaw is just artifical bullshit.. ppl who are "litigators" in BIGLAW are just doing nothing.. they know nothing.. they are just billing machines doin shit to fuk over their own client
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193908) |
Date: May 13th, 2013 11:32 PM Author: Citrine Party Of The First Part Twinkling Uncleanness
People who make enough to survive ($100k+) in the creative professions live lives that are so much more fulfilling, fun, interesting, memorable and love-filled than any of their white collar six figure faggot counterparts. The idea that people actually spend the bulk of their total waking hours (in life) sitting in front of a stupid fucking computer screen, accountants, paralegals, lawyers, bankers - JESUS CHRIST people, you are working to make someone on the beach richer and they are tossing you table scraps to keep you coming back for more but you will never be them. The best you can hope is to be a top pawn some years down the line. You are not "solving some of the world's most interesting problems", you are saving Uncle Warbucks a few million here and there and DEDICATING YOUR LIVES TO THE CAUSE. Do you not see the inhumanity in that? You once had interests, loves, passions, fire, intensity, curiosities. Now? You read the Financial Times on your red eye to Cleveland and hope that girl in economy class noticed you in the terminal and maybe you'll get the balls to say hi to her and try your 100% ineffective "oh I'm just in town on business." Yeah, someone else's business. Fucking character in someone else's book too. Your whole fucking life.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193684) |
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Date: May 13th, 2013 11:45 PM Author: Citrine Party Of The First Part Twinkling Uncleanness
I can't tell you about them because it's entirely subjective. Half the people who work in Biglaw, if they were to have put their efforts and intellect into developing their ACTUAL interests, not their socially-engineered false ambitions, would have ended up being remarkably successful. Owning a restaurant, or bar. Being involved in the art world, on the business side. Being a musician. A teacher. Being an entrepreneur, a tradesmen. A professor. Working at a legitimate non-profit (not the "philanthropic" fucking scams that dominate this field, but actual non-profit organizations that do good in the world). Working your dream job on Capitol Hill for peanuts just to share a shitty 2 bedroom in Foggy Bottom with your trust fund baby roommate because it actually makes you happy and you love working the late hours and holy shit you saw John Boehner at lunch today. Be a park ranger. Work in a store and don't define yourself by your profession and stop living your life according to other people's narrow definitions of what is OK and what is not. Or don't. It's so specific to the individual. I can tell you that NO ONE, not a single person, is actually interested in the bullshit inherent with the careers I am criticizing.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193847) |
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Date: May 13th, 2013 11:49 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy lay telephone
i don't understand. so i like football and once was good at it. are you saying i'd be happy coaching some hs team and teaching ap history or grinding it out as a running backs coach at grand valley state hoping to angle someday for o coordinator at univ of dayton someday in my mid 30s?
i like ufc, pussy, watching youtube videos, and lifting weights. wtf am i supposed to do with that? i like animals too. short of being a vet i'd make like $8/hr at petsmart.
these people ALL envy biglaw and hedge funds and shit. right?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193903) |
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Date: May 13th, 2013 11:59 PM Author: Citrine Party Of The First Part Twinkling Uncleanness
To your first question, yes. If you actually loved it, which you need to be honest with yourself about given the fact that you deliberately chose not to pursue it as a career or even relate your own lawyer career to it in any capacity (e.g. gunning to be a sports agent), then yes. You 100% would be happier coaching a HS team and teaching AP history. You like UFC, pussy, youtube videos and lifting weights - but those are not the kind of interests that I am discussing. Those, in the context you lay them out, are shallow, meaningless things that have nothing to do with the actual world. Those are distractions and completely distinct from your LOVE of football - which, though just as much of a distraction from the real world as political theater or MMA fighting, you claim to LOVE. That is the distinction. No, if you like to squat three times a week, you should not dedicate your life to that. However, if you love football then arguably the life you described would be much better than the life you lead now. You gotta go with what you love and look past the BS distractions that have completely eroded the loves in your life that you have since lost.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193992) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:24 AM Author: Walnut dead boistinker laser beams
You're a fucking idiot who doesn't know shit about shit. Oh look, you're talented at a musical instrument! Dedicate your life to it and be a musician, bro!
Yeah that sounds so great from 30,000 feet up. Let's talk about details. Are you going to make your living giving concerts? You have a better chance of getting HIV, syphilis, and herpes from the same girl the first time you fuck her. So, no, not quite. You're going to teach. Guess what--when you teach music, it's not like an office job where you "bill" an hour for every 30 minutes you work. It's like you're sitting in a goddamn room with a kid, trying to keep that kid's attention for 55 minutes straight and get him to actually learn something, while his parents (who are kind of mildly pissed that they are paying their "hard-earned money" to some fucking musician to teach their kid some bullshit instrument) usually sit and look on, monitoring you to make sure you earn that. And then you rinse and repeat, 8-10x a day, 5x a week. If you're *lucky* enough to have a big enough studio to fill that time up.
But at least you have weekends. Oh no, you don't. Because that's when you're playing gigs around town to do your own shit... if you're lucky. If you're not lucky, you're doing gigs around town to make side money and hating the background music that you play in that shitty restaurant/bar while everyone around you is eating and drinking and living life. Or playing in church, where you get to mindlessly perform the same stupid goddamn hymns for the millionth time, for all 4 masses in a row. Or weddings: you know, those glorious occasions where everyone is having the time of their lives and you get to watch and not drink anything because you're on the job and these cheap fucks aren't paying for you to drink their wine.
But at least you have holidays... nope, you don't fuck you. Because that's when the real money is made--you're playing at some Christmas party, you're playing NYE, you're playing every time someone will pay you 3x the normal rate to entertain them instead of living like a human being. Because you're greedy? No, because you actually really need that money.
PS: The lawyer spent 3 years getting his law degree (and most of the last 2 years was bullshit). The professional musician spent 10,000 hours of his youth learning his instrument, probably spent tens of thousands of dollars over that period taking lessons, and then probably went to college and took out student loans to keep studying it.
PPS: The lawyer is making six figures. Even after all of the above, the musician is struggling to hit high five figures.
Basically shut the fuck up and stop pretending that you know anything because you sound like a fool.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23194190) |
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:40 AM Author: Walnut dead boistinker laser beams
lol you're literally too dumb to exist, so I assume you're flame
Do you think the musician that I just described is 'happy' with his life as he teaches another snot-nosed 9 year old "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" for the thousandth time? Or when he's playing "Piano Man" (which he hates by now and can't even listen to on the radio) at the bar and the tip jar is empty and no one is even paying attention? Or when he has to walk into his gig through the kitchen because his "clients" don't want him using the main door? Or when he's so sick of all of this shit that he doesn't even want to play or listen to music for fun anymore, and that was the whole point to begin with? Do you think he gets reimbursed for lugging his equipment around? Do you think he has health insurance? Do you think he expenses his gas? Do you think he gets a lot of respect from the people who hire him and think that they therefore own him? Does he get sick days? If he breaks his arm in an accident, is he just totally fucked because fuck his life he can't play for a month?
Life sucks for almost everyone in almost every profession. The "dream jobs" your imagining fucking blow, and my final point was that on top of sucking a lot, most of them pay a lot less than being a lawyer, too. XOXO Hth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23194348) |
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Date: May 15th, 2013 5:57 PM Author: cerebral unhinged whorehouse indirect expression
You're right man, virtually every profession has statistics like these:
According to an often cited Johns Hopkins University study of more than 100 occupations, researchers found that lawyers lead the nation with the highest incidence of depression.(1)
An ABA Young Lawyers Division survey indicated that 41 percent of female attorneys were unhappy with their jobs.(2)
In 1996, lawyers overtook dentists as the profession with the highest rate of suicide.(3)
The ABA estimates that 15-20 percent of all U.S. lawyers suffer from alcoholism or substance abuse.(4)
Seven in ten lawyers responding to a California Lawyers magazine poll said they would change careers if the opportunity arose.(5)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23205071) |
Date: May 13th, 2013 11:43 PM Author: impertinent vibrant police squad
Deal goes through, 5000 people lose their jobs.
I rather work on the deal than be one of the 5000.
Sometimes it is fun and you get a hostile or a squeeze out.
The way I look at it is that it beats digging ditches and it is interesting enough to get your name in the paper or at least see what you are working on in the paper.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23193821) |
Date: May 14th, 2013 12:05 AM Author: abusive hyperventilating karate plaza
Former life:
Show up to the office in a building that does not have great insulation. It's snowing. Again? My room is about 45 degrees. Fire up the personal heater from my old college dorm. Sit down on my 30 dollar chair and power on my ancient PC. The fat, farm wife secretaries and paralegals loudly talk about the gun show and one of the younger ones tells a tale about her latest match.com date with a guy from (town of 500 people). Took her to Red Lobster, but he didn't offer to pay, so she did. Another wasted evening out on the town.
Oh shit, it's 8:11AM. I forgot to sign in. Rush over to the front desk. She's a nice secretary, is going to tech college at night to support her disabled Iraqi vet husband. She's 20. I tell her to please mark it down as if I came in at 8AM. I am the only associate and this is how the partners keep track of my arrival at the firm. Thankfully I got Burger King with her and the husband a few weeks back, so I think she likes me.
8:33AM and I get around to my first assignment. Farmer A wants to buy property from Farmer B. Problem is, we don't know any details. In fact, Farmer A's voicemail just says the county it's in and some details. "(Farmer B) lives near the old red house on the corner of X and Y in ____ county. Not sure the specifics but I wanna buy it so what do I do?"
10:45AM and I finally figure out the details. Put together the paperwork.
10:46AM and a partner comes in to talk to me. They're moving my desk. Apparently the "rain maker" (he brings in a total of 260K a year in terms of billables) needs more space. So I am being moved to a glorified closet where the ethernet cord cables hang down. No windows. Even colder. One electrical outlet. It's the size of a NYC studio bathroom. I won't be able to bring my desk so they buy me one of those 30 dollar folding tables to put my computer on.
10:52AM and another partner comes in. They need me to go to a "networking event" at the Chamber of Commerce in a town 55 minutes away. The meeting is at 7pm and I need to be there 20 minutes early. I need to call the partner and tell him whether our rival firm is there and who from that firm is attending. I don't know anyone from the firm, so I have to print out a list of their names and faces. I will be there until 9PM. I will probably roll in at about 10PM at home. I cannot bill for any of this time. The firm will not pay for my travel expenses or dinner even though I have to stay late.
11AM, on to the next assignment. Two 21 year olds want to start an LLC. We haven't been able to reach them on the phone. So I am told to find them and put it together. They invite me to their apartment at 2PM. Put that on the calendar.
11:05AM one of the partners comes in to tell me that my work on a contract from last week needs revisions. Get it to them by lunch. Also told that I need to start wearing ties with my suits. I casually note in my head that the rest of the firm wears sweatshirts and khakis. But I guess this is the expectation on the new guy.
Noon, finish the revisions and turn it in
12:15, get to the local gas station where I pick up some string cheese, an apple, and a ham sandwich. The ham sort of smells like diesel fuel.
Rush back to my office at 12:20 where the two partners are discussing Beghanzi. One believes he should call the local Congressional rep (the firm donated the max amount) and stress the need for impeachment. The other things Obama won't be impeached, but they should bring it up at their next Tea Party Patriot meeting. Maybe they can do another march "downtown" (it's a few buildings above 2 stories and some are made of brick!!!)
12:40 I have a call with opposing counsel about an issue we cannot figure out. Literally. Neither side knows what we are doing because our clients, two 80 year old men trying to figure out how to close a business, cannot decide how they want to end the business or find the paperwork. Unfortunately, the opposing counsel is a dick to me, even though I stress how new I am to the profession and this area. I had never heard of the local business before, and they suggest I might need to reassess whether or not practicing law in this town is a good idea.
12:42pm, I sign out to use the bathroom.
12:45pm I take a shit. I hope to die.
12:46pm return to my closet. See one of the partners on my way. I say hello but she refuses to speak with me. For some reason, she refuses to answer my emails. She won't help me. She won't talk to me. I don't know what her problem is, but it's not good.
12:47 pm, time to start on a memo to a partner. Determining what regulations must be followed to close down a small factory in the town. I am also supposed to draft a way to limit the exposure to the guy who runs the plant because he is planning on running for the local town board and does not want negative publicity from kicking out 30 people from their jobs.
1:30pm head over to the apartment of the guys with the LLC idea.
Drive behind a few Amish people and about 50 pick up trucks and semis. Very slow roads. Very icey.
2pm, get to the apartment. Welcomed inside by two, heavy set guys who obviously just smoked a heavy amount of pot. They ask if I want any cherries. I say no. As I begin talking to them about the LLC, one of them puts on Skrillex. The other starts to play Grand Theft Auto on their xbox. They decide that they're not sure what they want yet but thank me for coming over.
2:30pm, return to the office. Find stack of medical records on desk. 456 pages. Note: "please summarize the different medical problems our client faced and what doctors suggestion at each stage of the treatment. Need it ASAP."
2:31pm, begin the review.
5pm rolls around. I am through 323 pages. Send partner an update of my progress.
5:05pm, partners begin to drink beer. One of them has a whiskey sour. I stick my head out and the partner with the medical records file tells me I can't have a beer until I finish my research.
6:10pm, finish the research. Partners have stopped drinking. They headed over to the Applebees for dinner. I have to rush out because I have the networking event at 7pm. Grab a snickers from my drawer.
7pm, get to the networking event in a very tiny town. I am late. I scribble down whether the rival firm is there (no one shows). I try to talk to the big burly high T rural males at the event. I am just a nebbish urban Jew. Introduce myself to some of the local business people. They ask if I am one of the "city lawyers". I tell them that I am from the area 55 minutes away. It's no city, but to these people, it might as well be New York City. They frown a little bit and mention the solo practitioner does their wills and estates. I mention we have lawyers who specialize in much more than wills and estates. They say they just use some website (legalzoom.com).
9pm, finally able to leave. Speed home. Zip through Burger King again for dinner. In the door at 10pm.
Post on xo and drink beer. Pass out.
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No health insurance.
No 401K
In the office or working on office-related matters from 8AM until 10PM, M-F, expected in the office Saturday/Sunday for at least 5-6 hours a day. Still expected to bill every 6 minute increments. But the partners knock down EVERYTHING because no one can afford what a legit hour would cost. Means padding hours is functionally IMPOSSIBLE. I am still expected to bill over 8 hours a day.
45K salary.
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:14 AM Author: abusive hyperventilating karate plaza
HOW DID THIS END? Here's how.
2PM one day I am called into the main "conference room" of the firm. All the partners are there. I notice as I walk in that the secretaries are all gone. I think, that is odd!
2:01PM, "______, we have decided to terminate your employment as an attorney with our firm. We issued you a series of tests over the past two days and you did not pass. You have two minutes to collect your things and leave. If you do not leave in a professional manner, we will call the local police who are aware that we have terminated your employment.
Me: I would like to be given COBRA information and discuss a severance because of the hours I put in and what I gave up to take this job.
Partner: you will be mailed COBRA information (never ended up doing that) and we voted against a severance because you did not work here long enough. We are considering your firing misconduct if you appeal for unemployment."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23194101)
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:24 AM Author: swollen fragrant kitchen
if this is true, you should burn down their office.
or just out them here.
WHY did they fire you?
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:23 AM Author: soggy sneaky criminal national security agency
WOW WHAT A GROUND BREAKING PROFOUND DISCOVERY BY OP ITT
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23194183)
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Date: May 14th, 2013 12:41 AM Author: Supple pale site
Disagree pretty strongly bro. Litigation is pointless but M&A, capital markets stuff, leveraged buyouts etc. is all inherently cool whether you're on the legal or IBD side of things.
Working on a deal to sell $17 billion in Apple debt is cool as shit and likely way more interesting than whatever faggy lib junk OP has in mind. Most Americans spend their time in 40hr/week shitjobs then go home to sit around and watch TV with their shitspouse and shitkids. Oh what a life
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Date: May 14th, 2013 4:22 AM Author: Plum hell love of her life
yeah sure, but i think you have a rosy view of "creative work".
is doing a startup "creative"? is working in advertising "creative"? they are both soulcrushing after a while.
the truly "creative" work, like being an actual artist, performer, writer etc. really doesn't pay much at all, unless you get very very lucky.
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Date: May 14th, 2013 10:47 AM Author: Flirting gas station
to be fair, luck is only 15-20% of someone becoming successful. it's not 70% like you're making it out to be.
lebron james didn't just get "lucky"
tiger woods didn't just get "lucky"
bill gates didn't just get "lucky"
warren buffet didn't just get "lucky"
the only people who just get "lucky" are powerball lottery winners.
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Date: May 17th, 2013 2:48 PM Author: bisexual base travel guidebook
"yes, they had some luck, but that luck was only 15-20% of the equation."
this is a load of shit, hth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2255383&forum_id=2#23217394)
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Date: May 17th, 2013 2:51 PM Author: titillating insecure station
MFCR
However, I'm posted up in my office right now, shoes off, watching season 4 of Mad Men on Netflix while drinking a freshly brewed iced coffee and eating premium grilled chicken. what's up
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