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ITT: Examples of BIGLAW Beta Gotcha!

Beta Gotcha!
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  07/07/13
Hah, a sr assoc did that to me once when i was more jr, too....
Razzle-dazzle organic girlfriend wrinkle
  07/08/13
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Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask
  07/06/20
Or : huge email on obscure point of law, partner asks you to...
salmon site
  07/07/13
Yeah, sounds like this one: At partner's request, you cre...
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  07/07/13
...
Fiercely-loyal sexy stain
  07/08/13
why would you say yes without disclaiming the fact that you ...
maize curious fanboi
  07/08/13
I've gotten quite good at rarely giving firm answers to anyt...
bossy public bath pervert
  07/08/13
tbf, some partners are no-bullshit and hate this hedging / c...
concupiscible church legend
  07/08/13
This. Partner I used to work for would probably say: "S...
Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple
  03/16/17
yeah, the answer is probably more like "i think so"...
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  07/08/13
If you manage to catch them all the judge may grant you the ...
vivacious self-centered immigrant internal respiration
  07/08/13
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passionate state azn
  07/09/13
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Odious dun juggernaut hairy legs
  07/09/13
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geriatric big church building
  05/31/14
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Mauve learning disabled box office
  06/25/17
why not just say that that's the best you could do in the ho...
histrionic bat shit crazy piazza digit ratio
  03/18/17
*sends email outlining 450 changes he would like to document...
bossy public bath pervert
  07/08/13
That's not a gotcha. That's called "churn[ing] that bi...
wine center karate
  07/08/13
lol'd at :the best way to learn this stuff is to input the c...
fantasy-prone tanning salon dog poop
  07/08/13
cr
white boltzmann
  07/08/13
also LOLed
coiffed mischievous becky
  07/09/13
...
Lemon judgmental field multi-billionaire
  05/31/14
So basically it's when a Higher-Up bitches at you over somet...
geriatric big church building
  07/08/13
It's when a partner probably already knows what the "pr...
Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People
  07/08/13
Exactly. My gf has started doing this in normal conversation...
amber locus
  07/08/13
This. An alternate version is limiting your assignment ...
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  07/08/13
"We're trying to keep the bill down, so let's just focu...
french fishy blood rage
  05/31/14
Oh, hai me.
Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple
  03/16/17
Or it's when a superior tells you to do something, you do it...
carmine cracking base
  05/31/14
Beta Gotcha is a good name for this. Of course it's not just...
thirsty frisky shrine athletic conference
  07/08/13
yeah, don't know where the poster in the other thread got it...
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  07/08/13
So fucking many...
Stimulating dilemma elastic band
  07/10/13
- Nasty senior associate bitch with "mentoring" re...
Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple
  03/16/17
My favorite... Partner: Send me just a very brief memo/ro...
Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People
  07/08/13
lololol 180 or the recent variation I encountered: &qu...
stubborn psychic address
  07/08/13
surely every associate must have some version of this story....
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  07/08/13
i hate beta gotcha as much as the next guy but tbf this is a...
Appetizing sex offender
  07/08/13
...
concupiscible church legend
  07/08/13
(biglaw partner)
white boltzmann
  07/08/13
...
Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask
  08/22/20
Yeah, "don't spend much time on this" =/= "tu...
carmine cracking base
  07/08/13
This is absurd. If you know something is just being used int...
Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People
  07/09/13
i fell for this as a summer associate--i was told to only sp...
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  07/08/13
yeah that third year is spot-on. polish the fuck out of that...
emerald galvanic pit
  07/10/13
The way to do this is to print it out and go through it care...
Exciting roast beef fat ankles
  07/10/13
...
Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask
  08/22/20
*sends partner draft of a document 2-3 weeks before due date...
stubborn psychic address
  07/08/13
haha
thirsty frisky shrine athletic conference
  07/09/13
Don't forget the part where he bills 15 hours for reviewing ...
stirring fuchsia orchestra pit nowag
  07/09/13
...
Adventurous Institution
  03/16/17
...
crawly hyperventilating resort
  06/25/17
is this the personality type that manages to thrive in bigla...
jade travel guidebook idea he suggested
  06/02/14
There are plenty of these types in Biglaw.
Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple
  03/16/17
The one that drives me bonkers is when I come to a point whe...
carmine cracking base
  07/08/13
that's actually somewhat useful training if done right and h...
concupiscible church legend
  07/08/13
Yeah, but X or Y is only clearly right when he gives you the...
carmine cracking base
  07/08/13
this is even worse when you send an email analyzing each opt...
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  07/08/13
I figured the partner wants to feel involved. Whenever I cam...
shivering iridescent jew
  06/27/17
Not the same thing, but this one always bugs me. *Weekend...
magical friendly grandma lay
  07/09/13
LOL, do you put "send outlook invite" on your time...
spruce impertinent set
  07/09/13
Correspond and confer with [name(s)] re upcoming [subject] m...
passionate state azn
  07/09/13
couldnt they just be emailing from the bb and doing somethin...
Orchid Plaza
  07/09/13
an email "send out an email invite" grinds my gear...
Arousing lake home
  06/02/14
One time one of our clients called me (low level associate) ...
bisexual hall old irish cottage
  07/09/13
180
carmine cracking base
  07/09/13
Meh. That's not too bad. He didn't throw you under the bus ...
olive principal's office liquid oxygen
  07/09/13
What? He did throw him under the bus. He just implied that h...
Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People
  07/09/13
eh, this isn't that bad. this shit happens in any job. ...
Splenetic Frozen Pistol House
  07/09/13
these aren't that bad. unless the partner is a complete soci...
aromatic bright national security agency gaping
  07/09/13
Seems like a smirk and *high five* would be the appropriate ...
Yellow Legal Warrant Menage
  07/09/13
Obv. a Jew
razzle coldplay fan
  05/30/14
Lol at shittigators
elite university
  07/09/13
...
elite university
  07/09/13
It drives me up the wall when you ask a partner a general ti...
nighttime black jewess partner
  07/09/13
Fucking 180. Did you call support?
carmine cracking base
  07/09/13
Yea. Idk what else to do, I emailed him back asking him just...
nighttime black jewess partner
  07/09/13
Lol at how biglaw turns people into such betas. The proper r...
Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People
  07/09/13
Bro I'm a second year, I can't get fired. I have loans to pa...
nighttime black jewess partner
  07/09/13
This shithead partner sent me an email saying that I forgot ...
Exciting roast beef fat ankles
  07/10/13
can't believe a biglaw partner wouldn't know how to attach a...
abnormal cerebral point indirect expression
  07/16/13
Nearly 6 yrs into BIGLAW, and none of these horror stories h...
olive principal's office liquid oxygen
  07/09/13
(Power of Positive thought guy)
carmine cracking base
  07/09/13
protip: you were actually stealthed 4 years ago
stubborn psychic address
  07/09/13
protip: the protip meme kind of sucks
olive principal's office liquid oxygen
  07/09/13
...
Heady cuck hell
  05/31/14
1) u sure u are in biglaw? 2) u def are not in NYC. 3) there...
Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People
  07/09/13
Not sure if this qualifies but I've been told to draft a doc...
Floppy ticket booth stock car
  07/10/13
sucks but ultimately that's fair. should catch typos
Orchid Plaza
  07/10/13
(biglawyer aspie)
Hairraiser locale
  07/10/13
not gonna lie, ive been doing this for far too long im proba...
Orchid Plaza
  07/10/13
So I am supposed to read through the entire 50 page document...
Floppy ticket booth stock car
  07/10/13
I probably would have done the same thing as you under the c...
olive principal's office liquid oxygen
  07/10/13
Honestly, I do just to avoid the type of shit you described....
french fishy blood rage
  05/31/14
That's fair. What's fucked up is when they give you shit for...
Exciting roast beef fat ankles
  07/10/13
Yea that's what I'm saying, I got chewed out for portions of...
Floppy ticket booth stock car
  07/10/13
In the future, you can avoid this problem by remembering in ...
olive principal's office liquid oxygen
  07/10/13
I still think its bizarre. This is in the specific area of ...
Floppy ticket booth stock car
  07/10/13
Well, lesson learned. As I said above, had you asked, he wo...
olive principal's office liquid oxygen
  07/10/13
sorry buddy, but this just shows you don't understand the ty...
Internet-worthy milky telephone
  05/31/14
...
Exhilarant indigo national philosopher-king
  05/30/14
A partner came by and asked me if we got discovery responses...
boyish crackhouse preventive strike
  05/31/14
jfc. all partners are pathological sociopaths
razzle coldplay fan
  05/31/14
ugh
Comical twisted stag film place of business
  05/31/14
But you know and the partner knows that the partner fucked u...
domesticated electric cruise ship pozpig
  06/02/14
Not gotcha, but infuriating. One junior partner at our firm...
boyish crackhouse preventive strike
  05/31/14
junior partners are the fucking worst. they just finished th...
fantasy-prone tanning salon dog poop
  05/31/14
I HATE that shit. a senior associate I work with loves to gi...
french fishy blood rage
  05/31/14
...
french fishy blood rage
  06/27/17
I left at 8:30 pm once after hearing nothing from the deal t...
french fishy blood rage
  05/31/14
LOL, shrews
Green private investor
  05/31/14
Nice catch
talking bat-shit-crazy school persian
  05/31/14
this is seriously fucked. i don't even see what the upside ...
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  05/31/14
I don't understand how you would've got an email but didn't ...
aphrodisiac brass windowlicker
  06/01/14
On the off chance the above comment was written by someone w...
Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
  06/01/14
why did the dumbass call your office phone and not your mobi...
stubborn psychic address
  06/01/14
No wonder many of you get pwned at work. That associate didn...
titillating cumskin theatre
  06/01/14
ya titcq. I assumed she was calling his mobile
aphrodisiac brass windowlicker
  06/02/14
A lot of the examples itt aren't really beta gotcha, just fr...
Sepia talented property doctorate
  06/02/14
Gawd. As In-house counsel, I really wish I could tell who ar...
Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple
  03/16/17
...
Internet-worthy milky telephone
  05/31/14
Partner asks me to file a motion in an area I'm totally unfa...
fragrant rehab
  05/31/14
this is how you do biglaw. braise and criticism are very ran...
fantasy-prone tanning salon dog poop
  05/31/14
Your mistake was to rely on this poor advice of "just u...
titillating cumskin theatre
  06/01/14
Yeah, that's fucked and all, but here's a tip: if you're sti...
Sepia talented property doctorate
  06/02/14
I work with a partner on a memo that takes about three days ...
deep nursing home gaming laptop
  06/01/14
i would call him again and threaten a libel suit you kno...
stubborn psychic address
  06/01/14
Did you cc: HR on this email? A bad performance evaluation s...
titillating cumskin theatre
  06/01/14
midlevel shrew - gives me assignment friday night - she felt...
alcoholic laughsome boistinker
  06/01/14
UPDATE: we don't even have the emails from the time frame...
alcoholic laughsome boistinker
  06/01/14
I wouldn't poast real time work complaints.
At-the-ready topaz sweet tailpipe
  06/01/14
I read this as "medieval shrew" LO, HAST THOU R...
stubborn psychic address
  03/16/17
At my old firm: Partner: *calls me* CCSpecial. I am sendi...
Flatulent theater
  06/02/14
...
glittery smoky school cafeteria
  03/16/17
when i was a first year i got stuck on a deal working for th...
Swashbuckling voyeur
  03/16/17
appreciated twist ending
embarrassed to the bone ebony step-uncle's house
  03/16/17
BIGLAW is a PYRAMID SCHEME for a fucking reason. You make ho...
painfully honest goal in life parlour
  03/16/17
...
Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask
  03/18/17
JFC. U still in biglaw?
Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple
  03/19/17
...
Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask
  06/25/17
...
Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask
  03/18/17
...
Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask
  03/18/17
Un-italicizing a comma is flame right?
Peach Diverse Forum Alpha
  03/19/17
No. It happens in litigation because case names are supposed...
Pale kink-friendly brunch
  06/27/17


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Date: July 7th, 2013 11:24 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary
Subject: Beta Gotcha!

In response to today's Biglaw thread, ITT we discuss every partner's favorite game:

Partner sends group of associates a draft of a brief that he claims is in "near final" form and asks them to "glance" over it to make sure there are no major problems. Associates respond with "looks good" and maybe a few small typos (abbreviate case names, un-italicize commas, etc.).

Somehow partner comes to realize that one of the case citations misconstrues the case, and sends the group an email about how he is "troubled by the fact that no one managed to catch this very fundamental error. In the future, please be more careful."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23565558)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 10:25 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle organic girlfriend wrinkle

Hah, a sr assoc did that to me once when i was more jr, too.

I'm sure he got busted on it and this was his cover ass. I bet there was a BCC to a partner with the original "just glance it over" email chain part removed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23567261)



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Date: July 6th, 2020 11:46 AM
Author: Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#40555125)



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Date: July 7th, 2013 11:26 PM
Author: salmon site

Or : huge email on obscure point of law, partner asks you to check all cases and then rapes u for not being able to shepardize from memory

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23565582)



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Date: July 7th, 2013 11:49 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

Yeah, sounds like this one:

At partner's request, you create extensive list of all cases you can find on a given topic by his one-hour deadline. Partner asks if you have "exhausted your search" for this topic. You say yes, desperate to move on to the 10,000 other things on your to-do list. Partner responds by asking, "Are you sure? I think there is a case on this in X circuit. It just came up in a case I worked on."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23565774)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 12:03 AM
Author: Fiercely-loyal sexy stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23565891)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 12:04 AM
Author: maize curious fanboi

why would you say yes without disclaiming the fact that you really mean no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23565901)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 12:06 AM
Author: bossy public bath pervert

I've gotten quite good at rarely giving firm answers to anything. I think I would have told the dude that I looked pretty exhaustively and more hours would probably turn up more stuff but this is what I could find. CYA always.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23565920)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:43 PM
Author: concupiscible church legend

tbf, some partners are no-bullshit and hate this hedging / cya shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572653)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple

This. Partner I used to work for would probably say: "So, that's a no! Got it."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845237)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 3:19 AM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

yeah, the answer is probably more like "i think so" or "i'm pretty sure i have the major cases."

but if he knows there's a case that exists that is not in your list, why the fuck wouldn't he tell you about it? and does it really matter that there is a district of montana case that mentions this topic when there are two directly on-point d.c. circuit cases?! wtf is the point of collecting them all?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23566827)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:04 AM
Author: vivacious self-centered immigrant internal respiration

If you manage to catch them all the judge may grant you the illusive and powerful Mew 2.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23567433)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 10:10 AM
Author: passionate state azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574305)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 10:25 AM
Author: Odious dun juggernaut hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574413)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 6:57 PM
Author: geriatric big church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25663734)



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Date: June 25th, 2017 8:47 PM
Author: Mauve learning disabled box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#33639942)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:08 PM
Author: histrionic bat shit crazy piazza digit ratio

why not just say that that's the best you could do in the hour he gave you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32861127)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 12:02 AM
Author: bossy public bath pervert

*sends email outlining 450 changes he would like to document*

*could have just made the changes in 1/3rd the time*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23565885)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 12:11 AM
Author: wine center karate

That's not a gotcha. That's called "churn[ing] that bill, baby!" And/or "training" and "mentoring" since "the best way to learn this stuff is to input the changes yourself."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23565955)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 12:32 AM
Author: fantasy-prone tanning salon dog poop

lol'd at :the best way to learn this stuff is to input the changes yourself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23566078)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 3:27 AM
Author: white boltzmann

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23566843)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 4:32 AM
Author: coiffed mischievous becky

also LOLed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23573953)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 6:40 PM
Author: Lemon judgmental field multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25663659)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 10:39 AM
Author: geriatric big church building

So basically it's when a Higher-Up bitches at you over something stupid that they could've caught themselves?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23567318)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 10:59 AM
Author: Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People

It's when a partner probably already knows what the "problem" is, passive aggressively tests you on it, and then immediately calls GOTCHA ASS NIGGA when you fail

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23567411)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:01 AM
Author: amber locus

Exactly. My gf has started doing this in normal conversation. Prob gonna snap and punch her in the face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23567420)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:36 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

This.

An alternate version is limiting your assignment to certain things, and then getting pissed when you didn't do something outside the limitations that he created.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572575)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 2:23 PM
Author: french fishy blood rage

"We're trying to keep the bill down, so let's just focus on X for now and not spend too much time."

(three days later)

"How did you not realize we also had to address Y? This is sloppy and incomplete work. I expect a better product ready for me to review by 9:00 am."

(three weeks later)

"Can you resend that doc? I'm ready to review now."

*kills self*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25662485)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple

Oh, hai me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845265)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 2:17 PM
Author: carmine cracking base

Or it's when a superior tells you to do something, you do it, only the thing they told you to do was not what their superior or client wanted and so they say you should have done X when they told you to do Y.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25662468)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:00 AM
Author: thirsty frisky shrine athletic conference

Beta Gotcha is a good name for this. Of course it's not just work stuff, it's any casual conversation as well.

- Always looking for some smarmy point to make, ideally one that finds some tiny flaw in a word that the other person uttered. As soon as the point is made, become visibly overwhelmed with smug self-satisfaction and make an exit if possible.

- Come into an interaction with a prepared quip like "well double check everything, given your track record on this project!" This remark in your pocket is like a raging boner (clitoral erection if female) and uttering it is an exciting orgasmic release.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23567414)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:38 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

yeah, don't know where the poster in the other thread got it from, but it is amazing.

"well double check everything, given your track record on this project!"

i lol'd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572603)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 10:06 AM
Author: Stimulating dilemma elastic band
Subject: So fucking many...

- Nasty senior associate bitch with "mentoring" responsibilities during corporate leadership event. Question: "So you have talked a lot today about motivating junior employees and letting them understand the impact of their work. Could you talk instead about letting them know you don't like them or their work." Admittedly, one partner made a visible fucking gasp.

- Same person also marshaled several secretaries to give unsolicited reviews to people through the formal partnership feedback process, which repeated the same stock criticisms over and over again (the fucking admins were dumb enough to cut and paste her suggestions).

- Finding "errors" in work that are material disagreements of fact within the firm and that may demonstrate little to no knowledge of what the fuck your subordinates do day-to-day, and then seeking a "definitive" answer from some alpha as fuck associate with zero relationship to the question at hand to avoid discussing the matter like an adult.

- Partners insinuating their vacations to St. Lucia etc. are really business in order to make associates feel they are always working, when in reality the business consisted of one round of golf with another partner for leisure.

- Demanding the details of your national holiday / long weekend activities when no one at the firm worked. Proceeds to mention you take a lot of vacation if you say you spent like a night in the Hamptons with your parents (reality: took two real days off in my first two years).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581745)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 4:04 PM
Author: Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple

- Nasty senior associate bitch with "mentoring" responsibilities during corporate leadership event. Question: "So you have talked a lot today about motivating junior employees and letting them understand the impact of their work. Could you talk instead about letting them know you don't like them or their work." Admittedly, one partner made a visible fucking gasp.

LOL. Expound, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845292)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:04 AM
Author: Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People

My favorite...

Partner: Send me just a very brief memo/rough draft on X and we'll see if we want to look into this further. Don't spend too much on it.

Me: *Slaps something together in a few hours.*

Partner comes into office 2 hrs later, shuts door, red ink ALL over my memo: This kind of thing really fucking pisses me off. It's like you didn't even read your own work. There are typos and awkward sentences. And it's not very extensive, either. Please do an extensive re-write of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23567435)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:39 PM
Author: stubborn psychic address

lololol 180

or the recent variation I encountered:

"Draw up X. Just copy and paste from Y. No changes. It's the same thing."

The next morning:

"What the fuck is this. I can't tell any difference between X and Y. Where is your creativity? Where is the nuance?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572605)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:40 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

surely every associate must have some version of this story. this is classic BIGLAW mindfucking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572616)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:42 PM
Author: Appetizing sex offender

i hate beta gotcha as much as the next guy but tbf this is a rookie mistake. learn to fight the urge to send something and get it off your plate as soon as it feels "done." spend the extra 10-15 min necessary to carefully proof your own work and tweak your sentences and paragraphs until they're coherent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572647)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:47 PM
Author: concupiscible church legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572703)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:47 PM
Author: white boltzmann

(biglaw partner)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572708)



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Date: August 22nd, 2020 1:59 PM
Author: Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#40794809)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:48 PM
Author: carmine cracking base

Yeah, "don't spend much time on this" =/= "turn in crappy work".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572715)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 11:48 AM
Author: Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People

This is absurd. If you know something is just being used internally to determine if you want to look into something further (at which time you would presumably do a more polished version), and you are specifically told that it should just be a rough draft, then it shouldn't fucking matter if there's a typo or two. This is what is so dumb about bigfaglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574966)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:53 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

i fell for this as a summer associate--i was told to only spend an hour on an assignment, and turn in whatever i could get done within that hour. i did a memo that described the best cases and cited to some others, but it still had some of the weird westlaw formatting and shit (this was before next).

a kind-hearted third year reviewed my memo before it went to the partner and clued me in to this schtick. his advice was basically, "no matter what anyone tells you, do NOT turn in a rough draft, ever."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572765)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 8:32 AM
Author: emerald galvanic pit

yeah that third year is spot-on. polish the fuck out of that thing and then when you send it say "here's a preliminary rough draft, still a long way to go," etc. classic lowering of expectations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581494)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 7:22 AM
Author: Exciting roast beef fat ankles

The way to do this is to print it out and go through it carefully. The different medium helps you catch mistakes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581441)



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Date: August 22nd, 2020 1:58 PM
Author: Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#40794807)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:41 PM
Author: stubborn psychic address

*sends partner draft of a document 2-3 weeks before due date*

*gives partner frequent email and in-person reminders to review the document*

*partner emails at 3 PM on the day the document is due: "I see a typo." It is a 60 page document. There is no further guidance given. Nothing shows up on spellcheck, grammar check, and proofreads by 2 other associates*

*it is a single semicolon that he believes COULD have been a comma, found after 2 hours and 13 emails back and forth*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572637)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 1:25 AM
Author: thirsty frisky shrine athletic conference

haha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23573405)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 2:12 AM
Author: stirring fuchsia orchestra pit nowag

Don't forget the part where he bills 15 hours for reviewing it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23573656)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 4:09 PM
Author: Adventurous Institution



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845320)



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Date: June 25th, 2017 8:43 PM
Author: crawly hyperventilating resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#33639917)



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Date: June 2nd, 2014 2:05 PM
Author: jade travel guidebook idea he suggested

is this the personality type that manages to thrive in biglaw? thank the lord i did not pursue this path

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25673607)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 4:53 PM
Author: Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple

There are plenty of these types in Biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845605)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:46 PM
Author: carmine cracking base

The one that drives me bonkers is when I come to a point where I can do X or Y and both seem pretty good. I think really hard about it and I research the upsides and downsides to both and the I make a decision and choose one way that I think best fits our situation. I literally agonize over what's best.

Then I give to the partner and he's like, "Why would you do X when Y is clearly the right answer. You need to THINK about these things before you do them."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572686)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:48 PM
Author: concupiscible church legend

that's actually somewhat useful training if done right and he's decent about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572725)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:50 PM
Author: carmine cracking base

Yeah, but X or Y is only clearly right when he gives you the piece of information he learned on the client call that she never told you. And if you'd known it you would have definitely done X.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572740)



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Date: July 8th, 2013 11:49 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

this is even worse when you send an email analyzing each option and the partner doesn't respond

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23572729)



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Date: June 27th, 2017 7:31 AM
Author: shivering iridescent jew

I figured the partner wants to feel involved. Whenever I came to a 50/50 judgement call, I would always do the opposite of what I thought was the right thing. 90% of the time the partner would change it to what I wanted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#33651430)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 1:37 AM
Author: magical friendly grandma lay

Not the same thing, but this one always bugs me.

*Weekend email, I'm away from computer.*

*Partner or sr assoc emails about a conference call - "Send an outlook invite as soon as possible."

WTF, you are in Outlook sending the email, why the fuck can you not just take the 30 seconds and send out the invite? Should I also wash your hands for you when you use the bathroom? Can I expect an email asking me to open your door when it's time for you to get lunch?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23573457)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 1:43 AM
Author: spruce impertinent set

LOL, do you put "send outlook invite" on your time sheet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23573490)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:43 AM
Author: passionate state azn

Correspond and confer with [name(s)] re upcoming [subject] meeting and related logistics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574226)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 1:44 AM
Author: Orchid Plaza

couldnt they just be emailing from the bb and doing something else? this is typical low man on the totem pole shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23573498)



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Date: June 2nd, 2014 3:14 PM
Author: Arousing lake home

an email "send out an email invite" grinds my gears

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25673992)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 1:45 AM
Author: bisexual hall old irish cottage

One time one of our clients called me (low level associate) freaking out about something and wanting a conference call with partner asap. Apparently partner wasn't answering his calls or emails. I tried him several different ways, by text, email, phone, etc. Nothing. Finally he shows up 2 hours later and I ask where he was. He tells me he was having a "long lunch" with some hot young girl he's seeing. I then tell him what's up with the client.

He gets on the phone and it goes like this:

Partner: Hey, Client, sorry about the delay getting back to you

Client: Where the hell were you all day?

Partner: I'm sorry, i told [Dginobili Unchained] I was at a charity event earlier, but he must have forgot to tell you that. [complete horseshit btw]

me: X_X

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23573505)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 7:36 AM
Author: carmine cracking base

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574096)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:41 AM
Author: olive principal's office liquid oxygen

Meh. That's not too bad. He didn't throw you under the bus by saying you failed to try to find him, which would have really pissed the client off. He confirmed that you correctly concluded that he was unavailable, but forgot the reason why.

Would have been better if he had just said he had an emergency client meeting that came up at the last second.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574220)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 11:52 AM
Author: Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People

What? He did throw him under the bus. He just implied that he's too incompetent to remember why he was gone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574988)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:42 AM
Author: Splenetic Frozen Pistol House

eh, this isn't that bad. this shit happens in any job.

in shitlaw this happens between a judgge, the "associate" and the "partner"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574222)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 10:08 AM
Author: aromatic bright national security agency gaping

these aren't that bad. unless the partner is a complete sociopath (though since this is biglaw he probably is) he'll feel he sorta owes you one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574285)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 12:40 PM
Author: Yellow Legal Warrant Menage

Seems like a smirk and *high five* would be the appropriate response (depending, of course, on how young and fresh and tight... Wait, I forgot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23575269)



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Date: May 30th, 2014 11:57 PM
Author: razzle coldplay fan

Obv. a Jew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25660317)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 5:03 AM
Author: elite university

Lol at shittigators

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23573999)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 8:40 PM
Author: elite university



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23578566)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:21 AM
Author: nighttime black jewess partner

It drives me up the wall when you ask a partner a general timeframe to turn something around and they reply with something like "oh no rush at all, I don't want to ruin your weekend or anything. I'm not some Monster!" Partner chuckles and tells you midday Monday is fine, even though its Friday afternoon and he just gave you 20 hours worth of shit to do.

I have one partner who can't figure out how attachments work. He sent me something to change, no document attached. I email him back saying its not attached and instead of just attaching it he send me and email saying it must be something with my computer, call it support. 30 min later partner emails you again, with the doc attached this time, and then says "we are already behind the ball here so I'm going to need this back in [some unreasonable timeframe]. "



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574175)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:22 AM
Author: carmine cracking base

Fucking 180. Did you call support?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574182)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:38 AM
Author: nighttime black jewess partner

Yea. Idk what else to do, I emailed him back asking him just to attach it, but after 15 min he had not emailed me back so I had to do it to cover my ass. It guy thought I was dumb as fuck too. He sits down for 2 minutes and then partner send email with attachment. Kinda pisses me off even thinking about it still

I should also note he has done this multiple times. After the first time though I was like fuck it, if there isn't an attachment I let him know and do other work. One day I know he will do this, never attach the docs, and them flip shit when I haven't done it. When it does I'm going to punch him in his fucking face and go home and have a beer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574216)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 11:54 AM
Author: Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People

Lol at how biglaw turns people into such betas. The proper response should have just been "IT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH IT. IT'S A PROBLEM WITH YOU NOT ATTACHING THE FUCKING DOCUMENT."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23575003)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 1:05 PM
Author: nighttime black jewess partner

Bro I'm a second year, I can't get fired. I have loans to pay and I've literally worked my life to get here. Either I leave on my own terms or I punch this guy in the face and go out with dignity. Not gonna get dinged for sending dumb emails

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23575409)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 7:27 AM
Author: Exciting roast beef fat ankles

This shithead partner sent me an email saying that I forgot to log out of a document. It was Sunday and I had left my house ten minutes ago. So I drive home. Open my laptop. Log into Citrix. Look at the document. Stupid ape has it open. Send polite email saying hey it should be fine now! Get back in car, pissed off as fuck. Speed. Get pulled over. Give cop attitude because I'm pissed. Get four citations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581443)



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Date: July 16th, 2013 4:25 PM
Author: abnormal cerebral point indirect expression

can't believe a biglaw partner wouldn't know how to attach a doc to an email, even if he's age 70+. that's stuff people with 85 IQs can do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23658427)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:39 AM
Author: olive principal's office liquid oxygen

Nearly 6 yrs into BIGLAW, and none of these horror stories has ever happened to me. Only had like one incident in my career when I feel like I got treated really unfairly, and it wasn't as bad as most this stuff. Am I lucky? Or are you all too risk averse to stand up for yourselves to even the slightest degree?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574217)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:41 AM
Author: carmine cracking base

(Power of Positive thought guy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574219)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:43 AM
Author: stubborn psychic address

protip: you were actually stealthed 4 years ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574225)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 9:44 AM
Author: olive principal's office liquid oxygen

protip: the protip meme kind of sucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23574229)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 5:33 PM
Author: Heady cuck hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25663320)



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Date: July 9th, 2013 11:56 AM
Author: Indecent Cocky Sound Barrier Main People

1) u sure u are in biglaw? 2) u def are not in NYC. 3) there's a few good dood partners so if you have managed to do work for a limited # of people i guess it's possible. or maybe you just happen to work at an ultra chill office w/ a good managing partner who sets the right tone. but in my experience the majority of biglaw partners do beta gotcha shit all the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23575020)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 1:54 AM
Author: Floppy ticket booth stock car

Not sure if this qualifies but I've been told to draft a document using X form agreement (something around 50 pages). I show my redline with my changes. Partner goes into the agreement and I get chewed the fuck out for typos which have been embedded on the form for years, apparently I am responsible to catch them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23580969)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 2:10 AM
Author: Orchid Plaza

sucks but ultimately that's fair. should catch typos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23580997)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 4:39 AM
Author: Hairraiser locale

(biglawyer aspie)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581382)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 4:45 AM
Author: Orchid Plaza

not gonna lie, ive been doing this for far too long im probably compromised

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581387)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 9:23 AM
Author: Floppy ticket booth stock car

So I am supposed to read through the entire 50 page document for typos despite only modifying a select few portions of sections?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581602)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 9:25 AM
Author: olive principal's office liquid oxygen

I probably would have done the same thing as you under the circumstances (because I'm lazy, and suck at proof reading), but it isn't crazy that a partner would expect you to actually read the document you gave him, even if you didn't write most of it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581606)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 2:16 PM
Author: french fishy blood rage

Honestly, I do just to avoid the type of shit you described.

I just finished getting yelled at for copying and pasting some summaries into another summary. Counsel told me to do so. Partner yelled at me for doing so.

LOVE THIS JOB LOVE IT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25662465)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 7:24 AM
Author: Exciting roast beef fat ankles

That's fair. What's fucked up is when they give you shit for clunky form language.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581442)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 9:26 AM
Author: Floppy ticket booth stock car

Yea that's what I'm saying, I got chewed out for portions of the form that did not need modification.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581608)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 9:28 AM
Author: olive principal's office liquid oxygen

In the future, you can avoid this problem by remembering in any situation where you are told to use a prior document for form to ask the partner if he wants you to spend the time (and client's money) reviewing the form document for typos, or if you can just assume it's clean given that it's been used before. If he says you can trust the doc, he won't pwn you later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581614)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 9:32 AM
Author: Floppy ticket booth stock car

I still think its bizarre. This is in the specific area of leasing to give context where clients are EXTREMELY sensitive to the bill. We use the same lease form for hundreds of leases for the client and modify specific sections requested to be modified by the client. I don't think it would be fair for me to read over the form which has been used hundreds of times each time I use it, this would basically quadruple my billable hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581625)



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Date: July 10th, 2013 9:37 AM
Author: olive principal's office liquid oxygen

Well, lesson learned. As I said above, had you asked, he would have told you not to proof it, and you wouldn't have gotten yelled at. Just remember that you should always be thinking about covering your ass. Especially now that you've learned this partner may not be the most reasonable dood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#23581635)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 4:07 PM
Author: Internet-worthy milky telephone

sorry buddy, but this just shows you don't understand the type of product being produced in biglaw. you use something as a template but turn w/e it is into gold, no matter what, no matter how many billables.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25662959)



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Date: May 30th, 2014 10:13 PM
Author: Exhilarant indigo national philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25659708)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 12:02 AM
Author: boyish crackhouse preventive strike

A partner came by and asked me if we got discovery responses on a case that was already very contentious. I said no. He told me to write a fuck you letter to the other side to get them off their asses. I did--started with "I'm very disappointed" like I was their fucking dad, threatened to seek sanctions based on their continued bad faith, etc. Within 5 minutes of sending the e-mail, opposing party forwards me an e-mail he had sent the partner a week earlier attaching the discovery responses, along with an e-mail thread where the partner agreed to accept service of them by e-mail. He copies the partner. The partner comes by, and gives me shit for writing a contentious e-mail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25660337)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 12:05 AM
Author: razzle coldplay fan

jfc. all partners are pathological sociopaths

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25660356)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 6:31 PM
Author: Comical twisted stag film place of business

ugh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25663620)



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Date: June 2nd, 2014 2:12 PM
Author: domesticated electric cruise ship pozpig

But you know and the partner knows that the partner fucked up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25673649)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 12:19 AM
Author: boyish crackhouse preventive strike

Not gotcha, but infuriating. One junior partner at our firm always has tight deadlines on his projects. "Need this tomorrow" type shit. All the time, it means people work all weekend or work on holidays.

Invariably, the dude will come up to you 3 weeks after you sent him the completed work on the "I need this tomorrow" assignment, and he'll ask if you've finished it yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25660406)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 12:41 AM
Author: fantasy-prone tanning salon dog poop

junior partners are the fucking worst. they just finished their hazing and now theyre ready to dish it out. more senior partners often develop a little empathy and chill out once they realize none of this shit matters at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25660478)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 2:14 PM
Author: french fishy blood rage

I HATE that shit. a senior associate I work with loves to give you a major markup at like 10:00 pm and ask for it the next morning. Then like a week later (after you stayed up until 2:00 am working on his shit) he'll email and say "can you resend? I found some time to review".

I've totally checked out of my job in part because of shit like this. Fuck it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25662454)



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Date: June 27th, 2017 8:43 AM
Author: french fishy blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#33651582)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 2:12 PM
Author: french fishy blood rage

I left at 8:30 pm once after hearing nothing from the deal team for a few hours. Wasn't supposed to close that week - we had about two weeks until closing. Nothing frantic that day. Just a normal day at the office.

The senior associate (crazy person trying to make partner) called me 5 or 6 times that night after I left to ASK ME IF I HAD MADE ONE CHANGE. Senior could have just opened the document on the system to check. But no. Senior called 5-6 times instead.

Senior never left a voicemail because that would have meant i would receive an email telling me about the voicemail and I would have figured out senior was looking for me. Senior never sent an email for the same reason. Just called, let it ring, then hung up. 5 or 6 times.

Then the next day senior sent me an email, copying the partner, saying "I called you [x] times last night. Were you still in the office with [other team member] and I?"

Lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25662444)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 3:16 PM
Author: Green private investor

LOL, shrews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25662727)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 4:41 PM
Author: talking bat-shit-crazy school persian

Nice catch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25663112)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 6:35 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

this is seriously fucked. i don't even see what the upside is for the senior -- wouldn't the partner rather just have an answer than another problem on his plate? the best associates make LESS work for the partner, not more.

don't know how you avoided the obvious response (assuming you did) of writing the following with the partner CC'ed: "i had left the office by that time, but was available remotely all evening. had you sent an email or left a vm, i could have easily told you that yes, i did make the change you were inquiring about."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25663640)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 2:33 PM
Author: aphrodisiac brass windowlicker

I don't understand how you would've got an email but didn't see 5 or 6 missed calls?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25667955)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 3:13 PM
Author: Amethyst Mother Sanctuary

On the off chance the above comment was written by someone who retired in 1989:

BIGLAW firms universally have something known as "remote access." This allows one to access both emails and voicemails via devices known as "smartphones," or on mobile computers known as "laptops." When a caller does not leave a voicemail, no call will be registered "remotely."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25668112)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 9:29 PM
Author: stubborn psychic address

why did the dumbass call your office phone and not your mobile?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25669922)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 11:24 PM
Author: titillating cumskin theatre

No wonder many of you get pwned at work. That associate didnt give 2 sh**ts about whether you made the change or not. He/she was angry that you werent at your desk like you were supposed to be at 9 pm, like the other sucker associates. You were caught leaving "early" so associate decided to make everyone else aware of your "error".

Much of these biglaw "gotcha" mindfu**ks are there to drive home only 1 fact: they are paying you $160K not to produce Einstein quality work, but just to be AVAILABLE 24/7 to any client or partner's whim.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25670762)



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Date: June 2nd, 2014 1:56 PM
Author: aphrodisiac brass windowlicker

ya titcq. I assumed she was calling his mobile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25673550)



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Date: June 2nd, 2014 2:53 PM
Author: Sepia talented property doctorate

A lot of the examples itt aren't really beta gotcha, just frustrating bullshit that goes along with biglaw. But this is the best fucking example in the thread. If she calls and you're there, you make the change, and maybe your email gets forwarded to the partner with her comments and the header shows you were working at 11 pm. If she calls and you're not there, GOTCHA. And don't think the other associate wasn't in on it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25673845)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple

Gawd. As In-house counsel, I really wish I could tell who are the chill, cool attys so that I could praise them and just make life miserable for the assholes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845875)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 4:06 PM
Author: Internet-worthy milky telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25662952)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 4:22 PM
Author: fragrant rehab

Partner asks me to file a motion in an area I'm totally unfamiliar with, and I let him know that fact. He says they are desperate and also need it ASAP, and I can just rely on two samples that he sends me. He also tells me that to keep costs down I can't do any research, and that the cases in the samples should be fine.

He calls me multiple times that day checking up on my progress. I heavily rely on the two samples, never directly copying but following the format, rewording things and relying on the same case law (which I do look at to make sure it's not obviously bad/unhelpful).

Turn it in early the next morning. I get a call and get yelled at for not doing research, because the cases cited in the brief I sent were not directly on-point or otherwise "not good enough." He says that I relied too much on the samples and that I was "basically plagiarizing" and he'd be ashamed if the motion got highlighted by the ALR or something, asking me how it would look for the firm. (WTF?) Someone else was tasked with redrafting the "urgent" motion, and that associate asked me for the samples sent by the partner!

Weeks later, on a separate matter and in a meeting in front of other associates, I got chewed out for this event. It was bizarre but I just stared and pretended I was just a character in a really boring movie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25663025)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 4:23 PM
Author: fantasy-prone tanning salon dog poop

this is how you do biglaw. braise and criticism are very random. just slide and let do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25663033)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 11:28 PM
Author: titillating cumskin theatre

Your mistake was to rely on this poor advice of "just use the template and do minimal research". That is always code for "let me tell you what NOT to do so you can get screwed later".

Your job was to say "ok" then research the heck out of that area as much as you could using Google or free legal research sources, or CLE (doesnt your firm subscribe to free online CLE??!). Then spend 5 hours carefully crafting an analytical memo that went beyond what was asked for in your assignment.

Thats why they are paying you the big bucks. *smh*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25670808)



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Date: June 2nd, 2014 2:42 PM
Author: Sepia talented property doctorate

Yeah, that's fucked and all, but here's a tip: if you're still getting a good portion of your hours from that partner, look elsewhere. Whether he was right or wrong, fucking up something so badly he had to reassign it will never be forgotten. You used up all the slack he was willing to cut you, and every nitpicky unavoidable mistake you make from here on will be further confirmation of your incompetence to him. Get on some other partner's list now, before his assessment becomes your reputation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25673793)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 1:53 PM
Author: deep nursing home gaming laptop

I work with a partner on a memo that takes about three days to research and write. He calls me to say it is great, he has no changes, and I did an excellent job. He's not in my practice group and I don't normally work with him, and I am pleasantly surprised by the experience. I don't work with him again because I'm tied up on other projects.

Six months later, I have my annual review. Everything is going fine, until they get to this partner's evaluation. Says that I clearly don't meet the firm's standards, and gives a bunch of specific examples of projects that I never worked on. He clearly had confused me with another associate. I email and call him to clarify, and he never gets back to me. So I have this terrible evaluation in my file, and he can't bother to admit that he screwed up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25667756)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 9:31 PM
Author: stubborn psychic address

i would call him again and threaten a libel suit

you know theres no case. he clearly wont

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25669934)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 11:32 PM
Author: titillating cumskin theatre

Did you cc: HR on this email? A bad performance evaluation should never be finalized or consented by you if its based on wrong information.

You need to address this in an email/memo to the partner and send a copy to HR or Managing Partner so that you have a CYA doc if next year that partner tries to use this review as an excuse to fire you. This is how they start weeding out associates partners dont like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25670854)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 2:11 PM
Author: alcoholic laughsome boistinker

midlevel shrew - gives me assignment friday night - she felt bad about it, it was unavoidable. she told me to find all communications b/t counsel and client regarding two memos. i ask, "what about the 3rd memo." she says - don't worry about that, we'll treat it as a separate project.

yesterday - knock out the assignment, make clear i'm only doing it for the two memos, ie, "i found 20 docs for memo 1 and 25 for memo 2."

today - did you do it for the 3rd memo?

i respond - no, you told me that was a separate project.

she - sends super bitchy email that makes zero sense about how the interaction was.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25667850)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 2:59 PM
Author: alcoholic laughsome boistinker

UPDATE:

we don't even have the emails from the time frame she wanted me to look at.

WHAT A STUPID SHREW.

i am discount double-checking around my apartment right now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25668064)



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Date: June 1st, 2014 9:20 PM
Author: At-the-ready topaz sweet tailpipe

I wouldn't poast real time work complaints.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25669858)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 6:14 PM
Author: stubborn psychic address

I read this as "medieval shrew"

LO, HAST THOU READETH THE LETTERS?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32846292)



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Date: June 2nd, 2014 2:39 PM
Author: Flatulent theater

At my old firm:

Partner: *calls me* CCSpecial. I am sending you a director questionnaire (about 30 pages, with 15 or so just full of dense paragraphs). I just need you to swap names. Makes sure there are no dangling headers, etc.

Me: Ok. Got it.

Partner: Let me be clear. Don't spend too much time on this.

Me: Ok. Cool. *Does as instructed. Annihilates orphans and widows. Swaps names. Confirms company name from secretary of state website, etc.*

Partner: *reviews the document* *Calls me to his office.*

CCSpecial. Now, I know I said don't spend too much time on this and simply swap names, but you should have caught these mistakes. Why are we citing regulations of the australian securities and investments commission and FSA? This is stuff you should have caught.

Me: I thought it was good. This is the same document you used previously with X client and Y client? And with the same client, just different prospective directors.

Partner: Other people's mistakes don't excuse your mistakes. This is ridiculous. Now, review the document again.

Edit: I guess it really isn't a gotcha. Just a pain in the ass moment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#25673774)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: glittery smoky school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845177)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 4:11 PM
Author: Swashbuckling voyeur

when i was a first year i got stuck on a deal working for this little south african midget 3rd year. He would hand write his markups and make me turn his changes, and when the counsel would review and be like 'wtf did you put this in there?', he would then, in front of the counsel, accuse me of "going rogue" and putting in my own comments. It got to the point where I had to go into meetings armed with his handwritten markups in order to defend myself, so I guess I was the one doing the gotcha.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845329)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone ebony step-uncle's house

appreciated twist ending

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32845630)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 6:17 PM
Author: painfully honest goal in life parlour

BIGLAW is a PYRAMID SCHEME for a fucking reason. You make hours? You get 4-5 years. Enough to pay off loans and make a little $. Then you leave. Or, if you "win" you get to stay. LOL.

The entire point is to CYA. Partners are sociopaths. Everyone is CYAing. You would/will/do, too. You fuck over the young. Boomers ruined it all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32846326)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:59 PM
Author: Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32861069)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 1:52 PM
Author: Honey-headed excitant laser beams temple

JFC. U still in biglaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32866348)



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Date: June 25th, 2017 8:31 PM
Author: Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#33639846)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32861120)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:13 PM
Author: Mahogany contagious stage pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32861151)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 1:54 PM
Author: Peach Diverse Forum Alpha

Un-italicizing a comma is flame right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#32866371)



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Date: June 27th, 2017 7:38 AM
Author: Pale kink-friendly brunch

No. It happens in litigation because case names are supposed to be italicizes and end with a non-italicizee comma. And can't just find and replace because commas before the last one are supposed to be italicized.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2303101&forum_id=2#33651444)