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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:27 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Shoot, people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873488) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:27 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour 1L or 2L summer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873491) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:28 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie 2L. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873495) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:31 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour nm.
Thats awesome how they hire 1L URMs and then dont give any offers, and dont even let them reinterview 2L fall. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:32 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I would rather not say but I have not started full time in either scenario so all I have to discuss is my summer experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873559) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:38 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie That is not true, there are a number of young associates that were 1L summers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873635) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:42 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour yes, you can come back after you graduate - maybe, but they dont give you a permanent offer after 1L summer like most other firms. They take a hard look at your entire 3 year transcript.
and they dont let you come back 2L summer either. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:44 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Yes they dont give you an offer as a 1L or allow you to work as a 2L.
Even with those restrictions I would imagine a 1L gig at Wachtell is still pretty damn desirable. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:46 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour From what I have heard, they often use the 1L summer to give favors to children of clients, and for minority recruiting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873719) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:47 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I am not sure how the program works but a lot of big firms do exactly what you are referring to.
Frankly, who is willing to pay a lot of money to have 1L summers? |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:56 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour I am just saying that the firms which do have 1L summers typically treat them as full summer associates and give them permanent offers at the end of the summer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873791) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:59 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Yes but most firms do not hire 1Ls and Wachtell certainly doesnt have to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873805) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:01 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour hire you mean?
Of course Wachtell does not have to hire 1Ls, unless it wants to hire at least 3-4 URM students and maybe one son of the Goldman CFO, and these students don't have straight A's or law review at HYSCCN. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:00 PM Author: Sienna Karate Address Tons of firms do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873809) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:01 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Name another top 5 firm that hires 1Ls for non-diversity reasons.
Exactly. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:02 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour Skadden and Weil do, though they aren't top 5. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873814) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:03 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I dont knnow what they do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873823) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:04 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour well now you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873828) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:05 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie My life is definitely more fulfilling now that I know about the 1L hiring policies of Skadden and Weil.
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:06 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour Something to mull over as you sit at your desk, bitterly wishing Marty Lipton would let you eat popcorn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873837) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:07 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I hate popcorn anyway. The smell drives me insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873843) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:07 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour communist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873845) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:06 PM Author: Sienna Karate Address First of all, top 5 has no meaning. Not everyone plan on doing corporate transactions. In the field I'm going into, I got 1L callbacks from virtually every top firm.
Second of all, I didn't narrow my statement to "Vault Top 5." I said "tons of firms." Aren't you a pretentious moron? Exactly. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:08 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie All I was saying that Wachtell's peer firms are not exactly jumping at 1Ls. Mostly because 1L summers are completely useless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873846) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:29 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle house-broken nowag did the Harvard Fay winner quit or get fired? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873517) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:30 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I have no idea what you are talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873529) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:32 PM Author: Puce church building He got fired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873557) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:33 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie When was this? And what is the "Fay"? I am not up on my HLS prizes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873575) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:35 PM Author: Puce church building Number one graduate at HLS. This was several months ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873600) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:36 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I think the incident you are referring to happened well over a year ago now. And the individual involved displayed some rather poor judgment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873613) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:41 PM Author: Puce church building Yeah, he was a complete and utter idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873661) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:41 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie That seems to be the consensus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873670) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:42 PM Author: carnelian vibrant meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873682) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:44 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Interesting. Do you have a link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873702) |
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Date: October 15th, 2005 3:10 PM Author: razzmatazz principal's office http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:ZGNaNK0q_qEJ:blogs.law.harvard.edu/waddle/discuss/msgReader%242321 |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:32 PM Author: razzle legal warrant Cases like that are almost always mutual, and almost always formally structured as quitting rather than firing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873565) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:30 PM Author: brindle menage are both your parents jewish, or just one? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873519) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:30 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Cute. But neither. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873535) |
Date: September 21st, 2005 5:29 PM Author: Maroon Beady-eyed State what was the work atmosphere like? how are the people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873514) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:30 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie People were nice. Atmosphere, as you can guess, is really really really intense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873524) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:30 PM Author: razzle legal warrant This summer or a previous one? Are you going back? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873527) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:31 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I would rather not say (it is a VERY small class after all).
I am going back although I have not formally accepted yet. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:31 PM Author: brindle menage Do you think Hillary Duff looks hot with her new look. I personally think she looks pretty fucking hot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873552) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:32 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie She hasn't gone to crap like Lindsay Lohan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873566) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:33 PM Author: brindle menage Lindsay Lohan looks great. I love how all the hollywood actresses are getting in shape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873573) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:34 PM Author: aphrodisiac copper persian Word. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873590) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:34 PM Author: aphrodisiac copper persian She's a fatty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873588) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:42 PM Author: Gaped Personal Credit Line Forum I agree with you. She looks like a hot soccer mom. You have any links to recent pics? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873688) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:46 PM Author: brindle menage http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/11/images/medium/FLO_3_ex11Duff_513712_1011.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873717) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:53 PM Author: aphrodisiac copper persian Nice that they cut out her fat ass, and flabby arms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873768) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:55 PM Author: brindle menage she doesn't have that anymore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873781) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:57 PM Author: aphrodisiac copper persian I'll believe it when I see it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873794) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:32 PM Author: Puce church building Do some practice areas seem worse, hours-wise, than others? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873569) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:34 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I think it depends more on the particular partners you are working for than practice area generally but in either case its not a place to go if you dont expect to be working around the clock at certain times and be on call 24/7. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873587) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:36 PM Author: Maroon Beady-eyed State oncall 24/7 that sucks sweaty monkey balls
are you going back? any other choices you're considering? |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:37 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I am going back. It's a tough life but as long as I am going to practice law there is no better place to be a junior associate, assuming you are willing to make certain sacrifices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873619) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:38 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour thats a big assumption if you hope fora life outside the office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873625) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:42 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I think that people entering certain professions, such as consulting, banking, and corporate law in NYC have to be realistic about paying their dues.
And yes that means no life outside of the office for a while. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:50 PM Author: brindle menage you will end up "paying your dues" your entire life with that attitude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873747) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:51 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Thanks for the career advice.
Or I will make a lot of money getting great training and move on to a different high paying job in a few years. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:57 PM Author: brindle menage where you end up working 24 hours a day and never seeing your friends and family.
First prize is more cake, as the saying goes |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:59 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie The saying was about making partner.
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:03 PM Author: brindle menage or going to an ibank or any job that you would get from Watchtell that you couldn't get from going to other firms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873826) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:06 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie People get absolutely amazing jobs in terms of the hours/$ tradeoff from Wachtell that are almost certainly unavailable to other attorneys at the same seniority from other firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873836) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:00 PM Author: Sienna Karate Address I'm sure [s]he's considered all this. I wouldn't do it (and I won't have the opportunity). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873808) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 9:14 AM Author: glittery stead great money
hah!
while bankers make 10x your salary
boy are you ignorant |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 9:17 AM Author: lilac lodge the "bankers make more" argument is as true as it is irrelevant. fact is, some people want to be lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3878535) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 9:21 AM Author: glittery stead then why do half these idiots ditch wachtell and lateral to banking and hedge funds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3878554) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 9:32 AM Author: lilac lodge well, by your logic, they're not exactly idiots if they figured out they could make more elsewhere. i happen to agree that if you want to do corporate, might as well do i-banking. (although, i know some people in law school who did i-banking and thought that what the lawyers were doing was more interesting -- i know this is a minority position.)
anyway, i want to be a litigator, so the balance of $$$ and doing what i'm genuinely interested in doing seems pretty optimal at a place like wachtell. but that's just me. |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 10:17 AM Author: Dull fortuitous meteor well, that is that balance I am assesing right now. I, like you am more interested in litigation. But helping corporate juggernauts get away with fraud, or doing securities law isn't exactly why I'am consider law to be more intersting. Look at the hours required at wachtell. It's still a better deal than at others things, but compared If I have to sell my soul to corporate america, I would rather do it at an I-bank where, the money is better and after a few years, the hours become reasonable. Hedge funds or private equity are an even better option in terms of $$$$/hours |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 10:21 AM Author: lilac lodge So what you're saying is: instead of helping "corporate juggernauts" get away with fraud, you'd rather commit that fraud yourself. SWeet!
If your problem is with serving corporate America, the question of Wachtell vs. some similarly situated firm is immaterial.
If you like the idea of I-banking, go for it, dude. I'm not really even sure what the dilemma is. |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 10:27 AM Author: Dull fortuitous meteor That'is exactely what I am saying. I don't think corporat M&A law or securities law is more interesting that I-banking or Private Equity. Therefore If I go to apply to Wachtell, it will be for the money. Since I-banking, hedge funds and PE seem to be a better option in terms of hours and money, if I have a choice I will choose the former. Come on man, 3200 billable hours for the rest of your life? It isn't just worht it! |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 2:18 PM Author: lilac lodge Why are you even talking about Wachtell, then? Just go work for a fucking bank! Why are you even talking about law, or law school, or law practice, since evidently none of this interests you! Go get a fucking MBA! Have fun! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3879937) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 4:06 PM Author: Dull fortuitous meteor because up until know, I didn't have a clear idea of what the hours where there. Now that the OP mentionned 3200 to 3500 billable to be considered partnership materiel, I'll take that into consideration and Wachtell or any law firm will definitely be my back up plan in case I can't lend a job in a financial service institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3880690) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2005 6:40 PM Author: lilac lodge wachtell will be your "back up," eh? precious... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3889343) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:38 PM Author: Puce church building Are the hours so long compared to other firms mainly because: 1. Matters are so lightly staffed considering their complexity 2. People work on many different things 3. Wachtell people go more in-depth into matters than they do at other firms |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:39 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Mostlty on #1. On the transactional side there very few people on each team compared to other firms and the effect is that there is a lot of responsibility right away which means a lot of hours.
Also just the nature of the work in general. Clients who pay big fees expect things done instantly. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:39 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour Does it piss you off when the jews go home on Friday at 3 pm, but expect you to stay till 4 am? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873645) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:40 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I would not recommend WLRK for people harboring anti-semitic feelings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873659) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:42 PM Author: pale heaven just answer the question, hmm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873683) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:43 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I did not get the sense that anyone worked any less due to religious restrictions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873693) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:44 PM Author: cyan mildly autistic parlour but the gentiles have to pick up the slack on friday nights, dont they? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873700) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:46 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie No. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873720) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:40 PM Author: brindle menage Are you male or female.
If Female, are you hot in your opinion? |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:41 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I dont think my gender is particularly important.
And in either case yes I consider myself "hot." |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:56 PM Author: Sienna Karate Address Translated:
female and not very hot |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:00 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Yup, you got me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873807) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:43 PM Author: pale heaven is there a gym at the office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873691) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 5:45 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie No, which is a major bummer. But there is a NYSC and an Equinox nearby. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873712) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:05 PM Author: dun disgusting theater stage milk do you like your life? have a signifacnt other? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873832) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:08 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Yes and yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3873850) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:35 PM Author: Idiotic exciting theater affirmative action Are you as prestigious as me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3874012) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:42 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie You are an idiot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3874063) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 7:04 PM Author: Idiotic exciting theater affirmative action Fuck you, moron. You come across as a douchey little fucker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3874235) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:22 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie Coming from you, that hurts. Only because you are THE douche. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3875815) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 7:12 PM Author: Dull fortuitous meteor Is it true what they say about not doing drudgerie work, about the minimal distinction between the partners and the associates? When you say the hours are long, what exactely do you mean? What would the typical week schedule for someone who want to make partner their? What about diversity? When you say they don't give offer to 1l and they don't allow them to come back, why would anyon summer there on their 1l instead of going on their 2nd year?
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:23 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie There is quite a bit of drugerie work but probably less so than other firm. The line between partners and associates is very small and in some cases (for senior associates) practically non existent.
If you are serious about making parter you would probably be working 3200-3500 hours. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 11:22 PM Author: lilac lodge working 3200-3500 hours, or billing 3200-3500 hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3876544) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:57 PM Author: Mauve 180 feces rehab What are the exit opportunities that you get coming from WLRK that you wouldn't get coming from a Vault-50 firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3874177) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 6:58 PM Author: carnelian vibrant meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3874192) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 7:02 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie I-banking seemed considerably easier. People left for hedge funds, private equity funds, and in-house positions that seemed very tough to get without a real top pedigree.
I think a lot of these opportunities are also available for similarly situated associates in other top 5 or so firms but due to the intense pace and the way the assignments are structures its probably easier to move out earlier. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 7:05 PM Author: carnelian vibrant meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3874244) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:24 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie When the M&A market is hot it is easier to move into a bank but for someone with no business/valuation experience on the whole it is still pretty damn hard.
I would not say "littered," mostly because most Cadwalader cap markets associates are barely employable. There may be few who get into banking but on the whole it is a very tough proposition. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:28 PM Author: carnelian vibrant meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3875876) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:37 PM Author: galvanic red black woman Yes there are "a ton" of discarded associates of a TTT firm working in high paying banking jobs.
There are also "a ton" of NYLS graduates working at Skadden.
Moron. |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 5:29 PM Author: carnelian vibrant meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3881379) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 11:51 PM Author: spectacular abusive institution In the past 2 years at least 7 cwt associates have left to banking, both from cap markets and global finance. I know this for fact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3876883) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 5:30 PM Author: carnelian vibrant meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3881381) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 7:06 PM Author: Mauve 180 feces rehab Did the people going to hedge funds or private equity get offers to work as lawyers or as fund managers/partners/whatever the non-lawyer people are called?
Edit: and what are the "top" in-house gigs? By "top" do you just mean Fortune 100, or are there a few companies that are considered to be the "best" places to go in-house? |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:25 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie A lot of people go on the business side.
The best in-house gigs are at funds at offer equity participation or for large corporations at level where a lot of stock options are being thrown around. Needless to say those jobs are very hard to get. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 7:16 PM Author: Dull fortuitous meteor After how many years do people typically leave for I banking, hedge fund or PE? And at what level are they recruited (for exemple can a 4th year associate become a VP at an I-bank?)
Are the exit opportunities the same in Antitrust as in Corporate?
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:26 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie People leave usually between 3 and 6th year. People who go to banks usually take at least a year back. For example a 4th year associate will come in as a 3rd year banking associate.
I am not aware of anyone going to a bank on the VP level. |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 2:31 AM Author: irate green library This makes NO sense. If you want to go into i-banking go to fucking b-school. Open up a spot for someone who actually wants to be a lawyer.
As for Wachtell. Have fun with that.
HTH |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 7:34 AM Author: lilac lodge "As for Wachtell. Have fun with that."
Typical jealous response. |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 10:02 AM Author: irate green library I don't know if you have ever read my posts, but this couldn't be further from the truth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3878669) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 10:10 AM Author: lilac lodge I'm mostly just fucking with you. It does seem a very common response, though, even from people who it's clear would be thrilled to work for Wachtell. To me, the "have fun with that" response is more appropriate for folks who have to go work for Fried Frank or something, where they'll work comparable hours but will have to suffer a faceless firm with a rigid hierarchy and no sense that they are truly fucking prestigious as opposed to a mere cog in the system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3878708) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 7:39 PM Author: jade comical stock car ticket booth what is the total compensation package? are the GA boards correct that the nondiscretionary bonus doubles the market-rate base salary? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3874424) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:27 PM Author: underhanded medicated dilemma selfie The total compensation is far and away the most generous in NYC. 1st years made about $200k last year, plus all kinds of fringe benefits that are just not available elsewhere.
The double market-rate pay is something that happened for a short time in the late 1990s. |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:49 PM Author: Diverse sadistic home Subject: lit work What about the litigators at Wachtell? What do they do after 3-6 yrs, and do they also have good exit options (e.g. US Atty's Office, etc.)?
Would you say the litigation work at Wachtell is as good as any in NY? |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 11:39 PM Author: Mint Floppy Mad-dog Skullcap Church for 200k and the resume, i'd work the hours with a shiteating grin. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3876744) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 8:23 AM Author: Naked adventurous main people It's not the most generous. It's the largest. Normal people get 1.5X for overtime. You get 0.75X. Free sodas are available everywhere. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3878483) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 8:33 AM Author: lilac lodge this neat little trick of breaking down biglaw salaries into "by the hour" is getting really tired, and isn't even conceptually coherent. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3878495) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 10:03 AM Author: irate green library Actually it makes perfect sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3878678) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 10:08 AM Author: lilac lodge It makes sense only if you care about how much you get paid by the hour. It makes no sense if what you care about is your absolute compensation. A lot of people care about the latter, particularly if they are (a) trying to pay off student loans, and (b) trying to save for a down payment on a home -- two very common scenarios for recent law school grads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3878697) |
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Date: October 16th, 2005 8:52 PM Author: cheese-eating bearded point ape Boy, I bet the firms love you! You should bring that idiocy up during interviews. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#4063528) |
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Date: October 16th, 2005 9:29 PM Author: lilac lodge A brilliant and substantive rebuttal.
Haven't been dinged by a firm yet, so apparently my idiocy is less obvious to their admittedly less discerning minds. |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 2:31 AM Author: Primrose fragrant masturbator factory reset button I really have to say that your comment above is among the most naive and ridiculous things I've seen on XOXO, particularly for a comment that isn't meant to be offensive.
Not for nothing, but no person who has ever had a permanent, full time job (I'm talking about more than 12 months between UG and LS here) would dream of dismissing a per-hour calculation for some abstract total comp perspective that ignores the actual quantity/quality of work performed. |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 6:01 AM Author: Metal balding headpube edit: two years ago! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#7504716) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 10:33 PM Author: trip mediation Is there any point even showing up to my interview tommorow if my grades arent top? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3875943) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 11:25 PM Author: lilac lodge they must be fairly good if you got a callback. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3876584) |
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Date: September 21st, 2005 11:52 PM Author: sinister coffee pot You sound like a dicksucking loser. When was the last time you sucked a cock? Don't fucking lie either you nutsack-sucker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#3876892) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2005 9:21 AM Author: glittery stead tons of gays in law school
it shouldnt surprise you that a few go to wachtell |
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Date: October 16th, 2005 8:30 PM Author: multi-colored canary station Does Wachtell always send ding letters or does it not even bother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#4063312) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 1:02 AM Author: fiercely-loyal office why would he know? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#7503869) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 1:12 AM Author: startling buff national talking to people two years in the past... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#7503909) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 6:03 AM Author: Metal balding headpube I've actually seen the same poster respond. Now that's creepy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#7504717) |
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Date: January 29th, 2007 1:49 AM Author: stirring spot pocket flask Does it depress you that banking pwns law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=263965&forum_id=2#7504114) |