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Libs coming after senior year of HS.

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/26/7071405/the-case-against-senio...
stimulating demanding death wish boltzmann
  10/27/14
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stimulating demanding death wish boltzmann
  10/27/14
CAN'T STOP. WON'T STOP.
Disturbing brunch dingle berry
  10/27/14
The first sentence tells you all that you need to know. Als...
red famous landscape painting set
  10/27/14
More kids should be let out of HS for part of junior/senior ...
thriller mad cow disease
  10/27/14
True, but the colleges have a big incentive to keep the stud...
red famous landscape painting set
  10/27/14
Well yeah, that's the inherent problem. I'm saying let's fia...
thriller mad cow disease
  10/27/14
I think that's a made-up problem.
black native
  10/27/14
Only at private schools. At public schools they want you out...
stimulating demanding death wish boltzmann
  10/27/14
A lot of states have been offering that as an option for a l...
black native
  10/27/14
Yes, I am well aware of the programs, but they can be expand...
thriller mad cow disease
  10/27/14
Not sure if any of that applies to the state where I did it....
black native
  10/27/14
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Vibrant Rehab
  12/22/14


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Date: October 27th, 2014 9:16 AM
Author: stimulating demanding death wish boltzmann

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/26/7071405/the-case-against-senior-year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26595172)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 4:21 PM
Author: stimulating demanding death wish boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597424)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 4:24 PM
Author: Disturbing brunch dingle berry

CAN'T STOP. WON'T STOP.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597432)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 4:59 PM
Author: red famous landscape painting set

The first sentence tells you all that you need to know. Also, lol at them not realizing this is some sort of bureaucratic cash grab by the community college system.

I did not enjoy high school. Chances are you did not either. So imagine, somewhere midway through your sophomore year, if your parents and teachers casually informed you that you’d now “get” to attend the 13th grade before leaving. If someone had pulled that crap on me in 1992, I would have set my room on fire.

Rebecca Schuman

REBECCA SCHUMAN

Rebecca Schuman is an education columnist for Slate.

Turns out, however, the 13th grade is not a half-bad idea when that “super senior” year also counts as a free first year of college—as it does in a few rural and exurban school districts in my home state of Oregon. For the students who participate in this optional fifth year, their transition to postsecondary education comes without tuition, but with substantial support and oversight—not only are they required to get periodic progress reports from every professor, every term, but sometimes the very classes they take are housed on that self-same familiar campus.

The program gets its money—and its legality—from allowing the 13th-graders to exist in a sort of definition limbo: They’ve technically completed high school, but they’re not given diplomas yet, which grants them continuing eligibility for the state’s $6,500-per-student allowance—which, it turns out, is enough money to pay for community college tuition, books and lab fees, and have a substantial chunk of change left over for all that support and oversight. Then once they finish the 13th grade, students get that diploma and they can enter college as sophomores.

Don’t kill me, angst-ridden high schoolers—or parents eager to get them out of the house.

The thinking behind the program is that currently, some 50 percent of Oregon residents who enroll in community college don’t even make it through their first year, and that statistic doesn’t account for factors such as class, race, or whether the student is a first-generation collegiate. Meanwhile, in some schools, the 13th-grade program, according to The Oregonian, has a 75 percent success rate. So, for those of us who actually enjoy watching students succeed, the 13th grade is starting to sound less objectionable. (The participating students, for what it’s worth, don’t enjoy having to get the constant progress reports, but do report enjoying their classes.)

But the idea has its detractors as well, and they’ve also got a pretty good case: A small portion of students getting a free year of college paid for by high-school funds does seem unfair in a state with a tragically underfunded school system. “If any of Oregon's large urban districts were to follow suit, they would spark a run on the K-12 bank,” explains Tim Nesbitt, chair of Oregon’s Higher Education Coordinating Commission, in an op-ed that makes a cautious case for the program nonetheless.

Yes, Oregon’s education money problems are real: Back in 1990, before I was old enough to vote, I watched the adults of my state smugly usher in a property tax cap. Education funding plummeted, and it has never recovered. My friends’ children now attend the same high school I did, but their calculus classes have 60 students instead of 30. So, they might ask (justifiably): Why is it acceptable to use—some might say divert—funds to give a select few students the 13th grade?

The question remains as to where the money will come from if more schools decide they want the 13th grade, but I think the program is a good enough idea that it warrants serious consideration in major education budget talks at both the state and national level. Don’t kill me, angst-ridden high schoolers—or parents eager to get them out of the house—but it’s worth considering making the 13th grade standard, not just for students on the vocational, technical, or community college track, but for the four-year-college-bounds as well. The fact is, many American students enter college woefully unprepared. But as our friends overseas demonstrate, the answer may be to prolong secondary education for everyone, or at least make that an option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597631)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 5:01 PM
Author: thriller mad cow disease

More kids should be let out of HS for part of junior/senior year and put into community college courses where they can learn some individual responsibility and earn college credit. Funnel them into state schools with pre-arranged deals, give them a head start on credits earned and the option to save money if they graduate early. For the student who changes his/her mind over what to study, they can still graduate in 4 years. We should not have 6th year students--a not all too uncommon situation these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597640)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 5:04 PM
Author: red famous landscape painting set

True, but the colleges have a big incentive to keep the students around for five or six years and continue milking them for tuition money. They will fight this kind of thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597649)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 5:05 PM
Author: thriller mad cow disease

Well yeah, that's the inherent problem. I'm saying let's fiat through my idea.

Edit: there's also a cultural stigma among the urban elite. The only way you can graduate early and not be seen as a prole is to be like a teenage prodigy. He's 16 and graduated from MIT in 3 years?!? That kid gets a positive reception. But someone who graduated from like UVA in 3 years is seen as a prole because they are clearly working class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597654)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 5:15 PM
Author: black native

I think that's a made-up problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597710)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 5:31 PM
Author: stimulating demanding death wish boltzmann

Only at private schools. At public schools they want you out the door asap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597798)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 5:04 PM
Author: black native

A lot of states have been offering that as an option for a long time. I basically did that for almost all of my junior and senior years of high school, and graduated only a few credits shy of a 2-year degree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597653)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 5:05 PM
Author: thriller mad cow disease

Yes, I am well aware of the programs, but they can be expanded, there can be better agreements between the CCs and UGs, and more emphasis on getting kids away from the 4 year worthless degree and into these programs earlier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597660)



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Date: October 27th, 2014 5:14 PM
Author: black native

Not sure if any of that applies to the state where I did it. It was pretty much available to any students who wanted to do it, I think, and the transfer agreements with in-state universities were pretty good (might be worse now, due to higher demand).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26597702)



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Date: December 22nd, 2014 6:15 PM
Author: Vibrant Rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2710902&forum_id=2#26981870)