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Post-clerkship hiring kind of blows man
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:10 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Way harder than SA hiring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345323) |
Date: February 18th, 2015 9:10 PM Author: seedy sweet tailpipe locale (Guy without a prefstigeos clerkship) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345330) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:13 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account COA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345365) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:14 PM Author: seedy sweet tailpipe locale Like I said... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345380) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:15 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account yes, life would be better and prestigiouser and happier and more light-filled if I had copped SCOTUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345393) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:16 PM Author: seedy sweet tailpipe locale Or a non TTT COA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345401) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:17 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account :-(. We can't all clerk for Kavanaugh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345419) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 8:35 AM Author: olive rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#36396311) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:11 PM Author: Infuriating slate marketing idea garrison State clerk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345343) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:12 PM Author: Soul-stirring cruise ship werent you supposed to get hired to a firm before your clerkship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345351) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:13 PM Author: Harsh Range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345359) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:14 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account switching markets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345376) |
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Date: March 13th, 2015 12:03 AM Author: contagious costumed office nowag Don't want to hear this bro. I'm leaving biglaw to clerk with the intent to change markets. I probably can't go back to my old biglaw because they're not big fans of clerks and weren't too stoked that I left right after they Lathamed a bunch of bros, leaving even more work for even less associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27480492) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:13 PM Author: Harsh Range don't you guys get all kinds of recruiting materials sent to you? iirc keker van nest alone sent like 3 different things |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:14 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account I get a shit ton from NYC. I haven't gotten anything from SF/LA, where I'm looking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345374) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:18 PM Author: Harsh Range might have to bite the bullet. at least ny biglaw you can cop DAT BONUS I personally wouldn't start freaking out till early summer |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:22 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account I would just go back to my SA firm if I didn't want to go home to CA. But I imagine I have to check in with them soon too if I plan to go back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345479) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:25 PM Author: Harsh Range hats the market bonus nowdays? 35k? would they give you that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345509) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:27 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account 50. Yes. Going back wouldn't be terrible - and in fact my SA firm is probably more "prestigious" than the firms that I'm applying to now. BUt it seems like a bad idea to start out in a city I don't want to be in long term because I might get stuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345547) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:29 PM Author: Harsh Range word. you can probably get something out west man its really early
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:31 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Yea man, I but I don't even know if I can fake enthusiasm for working on cartel investigations at latham SF or securities litigation at orrick. I feel like my strategy of collecting the clerkship bonus and bouncing to any government job will be pretty transparent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345578) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:19 PM Author: Cerebral field youre having trouble getting a job as a COA clerk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345439) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:19 PM Author: Infuriating slate marketing idea garrison CQ prolly a 5'6 aspie Jewish dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345446) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:21 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account it's too early to know. I've had one interview, which was fairly mediocre. Lots of silence from the applications I sent out so far.
BTW: only people that haven't clerked think that clerking is some silver bullet for your career. |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:24 PM Author: Cerebral field how the fuck does that happen? arent your grades better than 99%+ of law students? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345496) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:27 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account So? Most firms, if they are looking at all, are looking for 1 or 2 new litigation people in my year. Most of their own juniors haven't jumped ship yet.
WHen I was doing SA interviews, I converted some absurd number of screeners to offers because of my grades. I imagine it won't be nearly that easy this time around. |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:28 PM Author: Cerebral field oh didnt know you started as a second year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345555) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:29 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Even if I started as a first year, how many firms are looking to fill multiple spots that they were not able to fill through their summer programs? (excluding the handful of firms that hire mostly from clerkships.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345561) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:34 PM Author: Cerebral field given larger firms have an acceptable range of summers rather than shooting for an exact number i thought it might be nbd to make room for another lit associate who is probably more competent than most of the other summers were. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345605) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:43 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Yeah man hopefully I'll get some bites. But who knows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345689) |
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Date: February 18th, 2015 9:26 PM Author: seedy sweet tailpipe locale True. Clerking won't overcome mediocre grades, it's more like the icing on the cake. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27345531) |
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Date: February 21st, 2015 11:26 PM Author: massive puppy jewess As a mid level who is leaving to do semi flyover DCT and prestigious COA, this shit is so confusing and disheartening. My grades aren't that mediocre (cum laude MVP) but not great. But usually everyone I talk to says "every clerk I was with found jobs" and then you hear horror stories or sentiments like this. Scares the fuck out of me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27366799) |
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Date: February 21st, 2015 11:35 PM Author: seedy sweet tailpipe locale You're fine. I'm talking mostly about people who lucked into clerking with actual mediocre grades not dudes who came loudly at a t14 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27366883) |
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Date: February 21st, 2015 11:38 PM Author: plum ticket booth awwww yea. i clerked with pretty mediocre grades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27366907) |
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Date: February 21st, 2015 11:32 PM Author: plum ticket booth it's just not the same enormous feeding trough that law school hiring was.
also, network. you can't expect to just hit "send" and have firms throwing themselves at you. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 12:18 AM Author: Avocado awkward national This. Especially if you are a COA clerk and not going into appellate lit, the small amount you learned in your year clerking means very little to the 50 largest firms in the world, all of whom you applied to blindly. Your best asset is your judge, and you should be using your judge's connections. Those connections are most likely local. So you're that guy from VA who did law school in CA and went to clerk in IL and now you want a job in NYC? Congrats, you look like every other transient biglaw striver applicant except you cost the firm $50k more to hire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27367200) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 12:24 AM Author: massive puppy jewess What if you're in a different local? Seems difficult (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27367244) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2015 12:27 AM Author: Outnumbered property lol shitigation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27367266) |
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Date: March 13th, 2015 12:07 AM Author: Magical lodge shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27480509) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 8:09 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Bros has anyone ever gotten a job from USAJobs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27437324) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 10:08 PM Author: Appetizing beta university voyeur some bro on here got bigfed out of biglaw from usajobs, i think.
i've tried to cop dat ausa job, but shit's tough man. you just get weirdo emails w/ all sorts of numbers and other shit and, eventually, an email saying thanks but no thanks |
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Date: March 11th, 2015 2:43 AM Author: Outnumbered property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27468517) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 9:41 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27437845) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 10:10 PM Author: Appetizing beta university voyeur to be fair, i'm a shitigator and COA type people usually kind of suck. it's academic and all that, but most shitigation is flame and about having good schools in deps, finding the other side's problems and picking at it, etc. COA is prestigious and all, but not really applicable to what us shitigators do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27438030) |
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Date: March 11th, 2015 2:43 AM Author: Outnumbered property what about DAT d. ct.? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27468516) |
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Date: March 11th, 2015 8:17 AM Author: diverse internet-worthy plaza COA shittigator here, would readily admit that d.ct > COA for lower court trench work, but COA >> no clerkship for new associates, unless the associates did tons of clinic work in school. It's significantly more difficult to delegate anything but the most basic stuff to non-clerks who are 1-3 years out of law school. A brand new associate coming from COA/dct will typically have much better intuition, a greater understanding of good versus bad brief-writing, and ability to discuss strategic issues more intelligently than non-clerks. The differences even out after 3-4 years, but that's for the associates who don't leave voluntarily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27468813) |
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Date: March 13th, 2015 12:16 AM Author: Appetizing beta university voyeur i find this way off base. i see coa people who suck in the trenches and can't deal. their briefs usually are all over. in trial shit you have a million facts and need to narrow it to like 3 things that matter. coa, they have a limited fact universe. just my experience.
i'd rather have a 2nd yr w/ a yr of trench work making outlines and shit than some coa clerk. but rather a coa clerk to some document, monkey, sure. |
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Date: March 13th, 2015 12:25 AM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Kind of surprising since one of the most salient coa lessens is to pick your battles wisely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27480596) |
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Date: March 13th, 2015 12:27 AM Author: Appetizing beta university voyeur just my experience.
trial work is hell. there is an ever expanding universe of facts. the hard part is finding the 3 things that matter. coa has a limited universe already, so it's easier to pick out the facts imo. |
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Date: March 13th, 2015 12:23 AM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Just copped an offer earlier this week in my west coast mkt of choice. The firm is fine - std biglaw that will grind me up and give me the talk in a few years. Still no word from state AG or any of the fed gov positions I applied for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27480584) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2015 1:06 PM Author: massive puppy jewess You ever hear shit? Really want to go to AUSA from mine but I'll have 4 previous years of biglaw prior to d/COA years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27535223) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2015 2:17 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Nope. You might be better off because you have actual experience. THe big problem is that government hiring takes FOREVER and it's pretty difficult to line that up with the end of your clerkship. Especially since private practice options may be limited if you wait beyond the spring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27535597) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2015 1:19 PM Author: Laughsome pea-brained hall Lol state ag pays like 60k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27535280) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2015 2:13 PM Author: Lascivious disrespectful affirmative action but u get to help shape the constitution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27535578) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2015 2:16 PM Author: Exhilarant Pozpig Community Account Yeah, I'd miss out on 2-3 years of biglaw cash. But I'd enjoy my life, get to stay in gr8 shape, do some interesting things, have a job where I wouldn't get pushed out, and have a more compelling story for attempting to go federal in a few years. Seems like a good tradeoff to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#27535590) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 9:54 AM Author: Stimulating theater stage I live my life a quarter mile at a time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#36396604) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 9:56 AM Author: Spectacular pearl abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#36396615) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 9:58 AM Author: Outnumbered property You're a weird dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#36396629) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 9:58 AM Author: domesticated frum church building ratface I did not get an SA job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#36396626) |
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Date: July 10th, 2018 10:02 AM Author: Spectacular pearl abode rise, wilbur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2812046&forum_id=2#36396650) |