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Putting LSAT on resume: unavoidably toolish?
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:28 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:30 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:30 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:31 PM
If it's not above your grades then it's redundant. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:34 PM
Seriously, though. It is an accepted proxy for ability. I don't see why UG GPA is so obviously OK, but LSAT is taboo. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:55 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:58 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:58 PM
Personally I wouldn't do it, but I could be wrong. I'd check with your OCS to see what they think. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:33 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 2:58 PM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 10:13 AM
Me too. I didn't put it on my resume, but the hiring manager asked straight up. As soon as I told her, the tenor of the interview changed completely. She said, "That's a winner. THat's a winner of a score!" and then told me that she was going to do what she could to get me hired. |
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Date: July 2nd, 2006 10:35 AM |
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Date: July 2nd, 2006 4:19 AM |
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Date: July 2nd, 2006 10:19 AM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:19 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:21 PM I think you're correct when you have other stuff to show, like grades or WP.
However, when you don't, the fact that it is "pretentious" is not enough of a reason not to use it. Hell, going to HLS is "pretensious", and so are law review and academic honors. That's kind of the whole point. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:23 PM
No, they aren't. "Pretentious" means that there is some kind of "pretense" going on -- in other words, that you're putting up some kind of front. HLS, law review, and academic honors (at least good ones like summa and PBK) are GENUINELY prestigious and reflect on your substantive achievements. That is not true of the LSAT outside of the admissions context. It is meant to predict first year grades; nothing more. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:25 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:26 PM
I'm guessing that you haven't reviewed law student resumes at a competitive firm or judicial chambers, or worked in legal employment counseling. Correct? |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:29 PM
I've actually worked at a competitive firm, and spoke with their hiring personnel. I was hired as a paralegal primarily on the basis of my LSAT score, and was told as much by the attorneys involved.
If there are no grades earned yet by the student in question, there is no reason to think they would apply a different analysis to 1L's. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:33 PM
Yes, there is. The 1L has been admitted to and enrolled at a law school. The LSAT score is now passe.
>It appears that you are the one that is more concerned with the way the world ought to be
Where did I make any claims as to whether firms/judges are wise or unwise to look at this the way they do? I described what they do, and explained their reasoning. I don't really care whether they're right. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:37 PM
Law firms are rational actors. They didn't hire me because I'd be attending a top school. They hired me because my LSAT score indicated I had a good head for the kind of work I'd be doing.
They would apply the same rationale to a student who had no grades yet to point to in his law school career.
You apparently don't really know what firms do, which is fine. Your attempt to predict their reasoning, though, doesn't really make much sense.
If the student DID in fact have grades (especially a full years worth), this would apparently be a different situation. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:21 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:21 PM
You guys aren't even bothering to read the OP. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:24 PM
You aren't even bothering to get the answer right. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:25 PM
Moreover, you appear to be leaving opening the possibility that the OP SHOULD include his LSAT if it is above 175. This isn't even a clear answer. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:27 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:30 PM
If someone has no grades yet to report, there is no reason to leave out what is in fact the best predicter of how the student will do academicially. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:34 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:38 PM
How else do you expect the student in question to stand out? I imagine some firms might not like it, but it's also more likely to impress someone somewhere along the line. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:27 PM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:29 PM
The trick is packaging. On my resume I put: 178, better than any of you fucks. |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:31 PM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 10:27 AM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 7:32 PM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 3:14 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 3:37 AM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 9:06 PM
I put my LSAT score on my resume and of 2 unsolicited resume mailings I had callbacks on BOTH.
So screw you no-it-alls ;) |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 8:03 AM
"student associate type positions prelaw"
Just say file clerk or runner please
"2 unsolicited resume mailings"
you mean they don't do OCI for student associate type positions prelaw?
"callbacks"
OMG LOL WTF ROFL LMAO PWN3D |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 8:48 AM
click careers
student associates are on the website. They are also patent agents with billing rates >$200
chill out man... you'll get that biglaw job too (just keep that pretensious air about you, its very warm & inviting)
edit: and I say unsolicited because at the time, the firm was not advertising for the position |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 8:58 AM |
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Date: July 2nd, 2006 11:09 AM |
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Date: October 18th, 2005 9:24 PM
resumes and, especially, cover letters are regularly passed around and ridiculed. the ill-advised inclusion of an LSAT score is hardly the only reason |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 7:00 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 8:50 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 10:01 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 11:18 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 11:39 AM |
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Date: July 2nd, 2006 8:21 AM |
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Date: July 2nd, 2006 10:56 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 9:01 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 10:41 AM |
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Date: January 18th, 2006 3:23 AM |
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Date: January 18th, 2006 3:24 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 10:53 AM
there IS no such thing as being unavoidably toolish. toolishness is something a person chooses to be and is totally avoidable.
edit: and no, you should not put your LSAT score on your resume!
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Date: October 19th, 2005 10:56 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 11:26 AM |
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Date: January 18th, 2006 6:15 AM |
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Date: October 19th, 2005 11:56 AM
A better question is whether it would be effectve. If you have nothing else to distinguish yourself, it will probably be more effective than nothing. |
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Date: January 18th, 2006 9:34 AM |
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Date: July 2nd, 2006 5:41 AM |