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The Quran is a good book.
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:15 PM Author: angry prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27440961) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:28 PM Author: flatulent clear milk It's unreadable
I've tried |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:29 PM Author: honey-headed old irish cottage ... for burning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045596) |
Date: March 6th, 2015 1:16 PM Author: Soggy yarmulke (obama) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27440965) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:49 PM Author: lemon adventurous crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441801) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 5:56 PM Author: Nubile native messiness no flame remember when barryo posted this on the PR board (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27443146) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:20 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home It is a pretty amazing holy book and work of literature brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441010) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:25 PM Author: vivacious amber voyeur mood I once read a few parts at random and found it unbearably tedious, and I'm even someone who thinks many parts of the Bible are interesting.
Beyond that, reading any reasonably impartial history of the founding period of Islam is enough to turn anyone's stomach. |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:39 PM Author: pontificating sinister chapel Not flame? Interested in a real non-redwooddood opinion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441153) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:51 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home My opinions on this subject come from more knowledge than the vast majority of posters, brother. You should treasure my words when it comes to this topic, brother ;)
But Anyone with a good ear can tell you that listening to verses of the Quran in Arabic is pretty chill and beautiful - that's a good start |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:29 PM Author: honey-headed old irish cottage lool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045600) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:56 PM Author: Hyperactive 180 Headpube Rehab It isn't worth reading in English. I've read a few dozen pages. A lot of it is semi-nonsensical rambling about how "Allah" is going to punish enemies of Muhammad. The translations aren't nearly as beautiful as the Pauline letters, and this is coming from an atheist with a background in religious studies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441268) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:57 PM Author: pontificating sinister chapel ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441275) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:58 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Yeah, it doesn't translate well to English, or many other languages for that matter, at all. That's why the study of Arabic is considered essential in Islamic cultures (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441284) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:11 PM Author: at-the-ready provocative affirmative action (Farsi speaker) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441417) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 5:10 PM Author: supple zombie-like dilemma depressive It's not really a question of how well it translates, or how wonderful it sounds in Arabic. christians don't think biblical text was literally written by god, but rather it's god speaking through the authors of the text.
In contrast, the words of the Koran are literally considered to be holy. Translations are seen as problematic not because they're less aesthetically pleasing, but becuase translation = interpretation and debasement of the holy text.
I've never read it in arabic, tbf, but in english it seemed pretty SPS.
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Date: March 6th, 2015 5:26 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home The question is whether the Quran is a good book or not. I'm discussing it's literary value. I am telling you that I have a feeling that if you knew how to read Arabic, and were open to the experience, you would be able to appreciate the Quran as a work of great literature.
Pumo above who said (Farsi speaker) is spot on in understanding where I'm coming from. I can speak from my limited experience with Persian literature because I have read and heard some poems in Farsi that are absolutely beautiful and fucking incredible in the original language that sound like pure shit when translated to English. This is not a controversial opinion brother |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 5:36 PM Author: supple zombie-like dilemma depressive brother, i was not opining on its literary value in the original arabic, just pointing out why translations would be especially problematic (at least to Muslims)when dealing with the text of the Koran.
edit: i take your word for the merits of the ur text, but i gotta say that i haven't really found semitic languages to sound very pleasant when i've heard them. |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 5:45 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Your point is valid. The original is sacred/holy - the Translations are not. I'm saying that perhaps the original is sacred precisely because translations do not capture the beauty of the original (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27443080) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 5:54 PM Author: supple zombie-like dilemma depressive fair point, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27443126) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:06 PM Author: Dashing very tactful pocket flask Its like reading a poorly-translated version of Psalms. I'm sure in the original Arabic its great, in English its only so-so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441353) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:10 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Yeah , just listen to some verses in Arabic and hear how good it Sounds. That might be the closest an American can come to appreciating the beauty of the Quran without referring to secondary sources |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:40 PM Author: indigo orchestra pit mental disorder LOL NO.
Unless you're a paedo. |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:54 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Can you link me to the verses of the Quran that encourage sex with children? Will accept them if you show me the way brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441252) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:57 PM Author: Hyperactive 180 Headpube Rehab The guy who wrote the Quran married a 12 yo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441276) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:58 PM Author: cruel-hearted stock car so what faggot? that is alpha and was NBD back then... as if bible faggots didnt do pedo shit too, oh and its not like catholic priests dont right now either (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441288) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:30 PM Author: Hot Site it's NBD. uptight schoolmarms need to get outta here with their outdated Hajnal Line moralizing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441592) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:03 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Bro, you ever stop to wonder how many of your ancestors married 12-15 year olds/married at a very young age? I bet many did, because it was normal within that cultural context, and yet they were still good people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441335) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:05 PM Author: cruel-hearted stock car this. we are all the products of rape and incest over time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441348) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:07 PM Author: Stirring piazza volcanic crater the profit banged a 6yo, breh.
uunnghhh |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:09 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441384) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:10 PM Author: Stirring piazza volcanic crater http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2540145&mc=34&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441403) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:12 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Not sure whether that is true breh. I have to research that issue before I respond to it. I know there's some dispute about her age when they consummated the marriage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441419) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:14 PM Author: Stirring piazza volcanic crater yes, there is a dispute among the scholars: whether the profit fucked her at age 6 (when they wedded) or at age 9 (3 years later). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441445) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:34 PM Author: indigo orchestra pit mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441628) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:14 PM Author: indigo orchestra pit mental disorder Here you go, lilbreh http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur%27an |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:21 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home These verses are incredibly vague to me but I don't read Arabic so I can't give you much of an analysis. But the thing is, you don't read Arabic either, and you haven't actually put any time to study this issue either. Yet you believe strongly the Quran encourages pedo behavior because you have a wiki link. This is Weird shit to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441514) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:25 PM Author: indigo orchestra pit mental disorder Thanks for comprehensive response bro. Completely reversed my position now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441551) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:27 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home I gave you a brief but incredibly honest and insightful answer. You haven't given me much in return brother. Just a shitty link. Think about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441572) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:30 PM Author: indigo orchestra pit mental disorder I gave you a link which it appears you didn't even bother reading. I'd expect nothing less from a Muslim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441594) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:34 PM Author: pontificating sinister chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441629) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:53 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home I read some of it - the verses were incredibly vague. I'm not a scholar of the Arabic language , and Arabic is an incredible complex language. I dont have any knowledge to refute the points about the Arabic knowledge so how do you expect me to respond ? My point is that you don't have any knowledge about Arabic either yet you are confident in trusting a weird wiki article with a heavy polemical bent . I'm not interested in discussing further with you because you appear confident in your ignorance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441848) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:57 PM Author: exciting love of her life Dude, you can't even answer questions about Islam and the Koran on this thread. So how well do you know your own Koran? Or do you only read the selected edited version that ignores all the nasty bits? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441909) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:05 PM Author: Talking massive heaven this fucking loser just totally reversed his position that hes some kind of arabic koran scholar when it was convenient to do so. thats how all these scum muslims operate. this is the treachery we are up against. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045377) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:52 PM Author: Shimmering State lol
arabs should burn |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:05 PM Author: Talking massive heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045381) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:53 PM Author: cruel-hearted stock car It's chill. Once some Muslim Bro Friend sent a copy and I read some. It is basically like fucking Bible. same typeo f bullshit but it is much beter written and organized. Too bad Americans are too racist to appreciate it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441243) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:56 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home It's the book that inspired rumi...and many other 180 artists. funny that people who love rumi would still talk a lot of shit about the Quran Due to their ignorance and cultural/racist hangups (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441272) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:57 PM Author: cruel-hearted stock car Americans just need something to hate. Constantly. They are a hateful ppl, but this will all pass. Whitey is 90% done here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441278) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:59 PM Author: orchid business firm giraffe you are the most hateful person on this website bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441294) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:00 PM Author: cruel-hearted stock car at least i love islam though, faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441299) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 5:38 PM Author: orchid business firm giraffe you love them getting MAF over stupid shit like cartoons and Salman Rushdie novels? They literally have a medieval mindset. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27443017) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:12 PM Author: at-the-ready provocative affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441423) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:00 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home I get especially dissappointed when I see the same level of discussion (strong opinions based on little to no knowledge or actua study of the religion In any way) on a board full of supposedly intelligent people . Makes me realize the majority of people here are much dumber and much Much more narrow minded than they think |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:01 PM Author: cruel-hearted stock car It's been taken over by legit Stormfront racist brehs. They are frustrated at their own life. It is not easy being a 5'4 overweight white fuck college drop out in America. They take their anger out on the "other" without any factual basis for doing so in order to justify their TTT existence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441313) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 1:59 PM Author: lascivious wrinkle It might be better organized but LOL @ comparing the Quran's prose favorably to that of the bible.
The bible is an intense, passionate book full of rage and fury. It is easily among the best prose ever written. The Quran just reads like a political speech. It tries to sound "inspired" but it never really works. |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:00 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home I think it's just Lost in translation, brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441303) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:08 PM Author: pontificating sinister chapel What are some of your favorite passages in the bible brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441376) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:24 PM Author: Dashing very tactful pocket flask I'll go for him: Ecclestiastes -- there is nothing in the Quran to rival that type of prose (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441542) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:20 PM Author: exciting love of her life If you read the Koran and compare it to not just the bible but to what Jesus actually says in the bible, then the Koran is the lesser of the two. It's filled with a lot of weird shit and angry shit about the enemies of Allah and warriors of Islam getting the virgins when they die and all that.
Jesus doesn't. He's far more peaceful than Mohammed. Jesus was basically a shitlib. Mohammed was an angry fundie. |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:23 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Dude, there are tons of weird verses in the bible....really bizarre sounding shit (if we judge by modern standards/culture) in the Old Testament especially. You are just more forgiving when it comes to the bible because you understand the Christian tradition better. That understandable, but you bros need to step back and accept the limited perspective and very limited knowledge you have about Islam. It will chill you out and be more open to learning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441531) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:26 PM Author: swashbuckling painfully honest abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441552) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:26 PM Author: exciting love of her life Read my post.
The difference between your koran and the bible is that bible is the compilation of documents and written materials over centuries by many different people. The New Testament, which is the basis of Christianity, is an entirely different beast than the Old Testament, and even within the New Testament, what Jesus says is paramount. Read what Jesus specifically says. There's an enormous difference in his preachings and his attitude compared to Mohammed. Jesus forgave his enemies. Mohammed didn't. Mohammed called for deaths and which is why apostasy is such a big fucking deal in Islam whereas in Christianity it's barely registered. |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:29 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Mohammad was writing about his time brother. The Arab world during his time was a dark and brutal world, strife with war and conflict. Maybe Jesus would have responded differently to the conditions Mohammad was in but that is another question I need to think about more, before I respond to you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441584) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:31 PM Author: exciting love of her life So was Jesus's time. The Romans had conquered Israel and defeated the Israelites. What was his attitude? Leave the Romans alone and give to Caesar what is Caesar. He forgave the people who condemned him to death.
Your big Mohammed's followers led an army out of Arabia and conquered much of the Mediterranean world, taking advantage of two tired, worn old empires (Byzantines and Persians) who'd been fighting each other for centuries. I don't call the Arab conquest a peaceful thing, given it involved armies and sacking cities.... Show me Jesus doing this. |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 6:57 PM Author: shivering stubborn home boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045320) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:08 PM Author: Talking massive heaven (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045413) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:31 PM Author: Dashing very tactful pocket flask Just be under the Roman heel while other Jews want you to overthrow them and instead preach servitude and humility-- what the fuck bro. Jesus's time was not exactly a high point in Jewish history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441605) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:33 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home I'm saying perhaps both responded correctly , even though the conditions were brutal for both. This discussion requires a more nuanced understanding of the specific historical conditions that both Jesus and Mohammad lived in and I don't have that knowledge on the tip of my tongue right now. I will be back when I have spoken and read with the scholars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441618) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:35 PM Author: Dashing very tactful pocket flask I understand-- just as a synopsis. Jesus died like a traitor to his own people but told Peter to put his sword down. Mohammed died a powerful ruler of a burgeoning kingdom. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441642) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:38 PM Author: exciting love of her life Just remember this, Islam mostly spread through forcible conquest. Christianity spread through conversion.
I don't buy any of this bullshit about Islam being a peaceful religion. It's an ugly, brutal, nasty, fundamentalist religion and ISIS today is probably the closest manifestation of Mohammed's Islam since the original Arab conquest circa AD 650. What is ISIS doing that's any different than what Mohammed's followers did? Answer that question. |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 2:40 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home I will answer that question when I reread my Islamic history books brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27441700) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 3:03 PM Author: exciting love of her life You might find this useful. It explains how Islam was able to explode out of Arabia, taking advantage of the seriously weakened Byzantine and Persian empires. It wasn't due to the force of Mohammed's preachings, but the swords of his followers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine–Sasanian_War_of_602–628
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Date: March 6th, 2015 5:12 PM Author: Arousing sable nursing home Funny coincidence is that I'm actually reading the shahnameh by ferdowsi right now brother, and there's a shitload of anger towards the Arab invasion/conquest of Persia in his work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#27442853) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:03 PM Author: Talking massive heaven this thread showcases why luis is a little fucking snake and a shitty human being. if i ever need a reminder why louis the poster sucks ass, ill just re-read this entire thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045366) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:04 PM Author: shivering stubborn home boistinker he been going to church every sunday, bout to get his life back on track (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045370) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 7:30 PM Author: Bossy Gas Station basically Mohammad was a gifted rapper who had a loose grasp of the theology he was riffing off of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#31045602) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:05 AM Author: spectacular thirsty plaza It's unbelievable how comprehensive it is on anything you're struggling with or concerned about. Every time you read it, something different will be apparent to you. Any question you have about life, how to respond to situations, you'll find the answer. It is repetitive on certain matters for a reason, because there are certain morals and values that need to be emphasized so that we apply them in life if we read it more frequently. Such as respect of parents, trust of Allah, patience, gratitude, kindness, etc.
The longest surah, surah Baqarah, is 286 verses, and it was revealed over a long period of time, yet it is thematically palindromic. |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:07 AM Author: Jet Deranged Marketing Idea I've tried to read it, its almost incomprehensible as a narrative and boring as a religious work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2823859&forum_id=2#34499366) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2017 12:10 AM Author: spectacular thirsty plaza Read it with tafseer (explanation/commentary). You can't just gloss over it, and get properly immersed in it and to understand how purposefully nuanced the text is.
Here's an example to give you an idea of what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZEanPAqS84 |