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What was the symbolism/meaning? Who was the woman behind the...
passionate azure ceo station
  10/20/15
This is relevant to my interests
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Godawful stag film
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boyish native
  10/20/15
? she was the hooker he saved from OD'ing earlier at the poo...
Glittery partner
  10/20/15
Ok but you forgot the first and most important question in ...
passionate azure ceo station
  10/20/15
Cruise took off his jacket and they found the receipt of the...
rebellious useless brakes
  02/25/18
also, he was too short to be a man of power and influence
Lilac Base Sound Barrier
  02/25/18
the "meaning" of the whole thing is intended to be...
Sexy excitant scourge upon the earth
  10/20/15
cr and forgot about the taxi thing that really gave him away...
Glittery partner
  10/20/15
892743823965382765423423425325 analysis brother
razzle business firm
  10/20/15
CR It has to do with his overall feelings of inadequacy i...
alcoholic awkward therapy forum
  10/20/15
Care to expand on this observation, friend?
razzle business firm
  10/20/15
It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't the whole ot...
alcoholic awkward therapy forum
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razzle business firm
  10/20/15
this is actually very credited and close to kubrick's intend...
insanely creepy chrome persian house
  02/25/18
Whole movie is like a dream. It's like the strands don't alw...
beady-eyed well-lubricated marketing idea hall
  10/20/15
A owner's daughter was being pimped
Godawful stag film
  10/20/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDKiyehma28 UHHHHHHNNNNNN...
razzle business firm
  10/20/15
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Godawful stag film
  10/20/15
it related to the idea of everything being for sale, and mon...
Sexy excitant scourge upon the earth
  10/20/15
...
razzle business firm
  10/20/15
This is 180 analysis of a 176 movie
aggressive potus bawdyhouse
  10/20/15
This is it right here. Excellent excellent work.
tripping place of business
  10/21/15
CR
Buck-toothed Messiness
  10/21/15
CR. Last paragraph is very XO-esque
Razzle-dazzle fishy locus
  02/18/18
180
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  02/18/18
wow 180
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Diverse Sadistic Home
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brilliant love of her life main people
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Pretty CR but I once read a kooky theory that it was about C...
Buck-toothed Messiness
  02/25/18
in this connection, it should be noted that the novella on w...
insanely creepy chrome persian house
  02/25/18
Also in the original novella the guy that his Jewess wife fa...
insanely creepy chrome persian house
  02/26/18
(guy who needs everything to have "meaning")
exciting market
  10/20/15
(Guy who's never seen a Kubrick film)
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boyish native
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Godawful stag film
  10/20/15
This is the cr analysis https://youtube.com/watch?v=86s8b...
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Glittery partner
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passionate azure ceo station
  10/21/15
Will watch again
rambunctious nibblets
  10/20/15
good thread
trip crawly lay
  10/21/15
i really think the whole movie was an elaborate troll of Tom...
Aquamarine Overrated Plaza Famous Landscape Painting
  02/18/18
So the point of the movie was to remind doctors that they're...
dashing gas station
  02/18/18
it's to expose the Rothschild and the Jewish elite
Diverse Sadistic Home
  02/18/18
As if they needed reminding.
frozen old irish cottage keepsake machete
  02/18/18
yes, Jewish doctors. The author of the novella that was ada...
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:18 PM
Author: passionate azure ceo station

What was the symbolism/meaning? Who was the woman behind the mask? How did they expose Cruise as being a fake?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010338)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: razzle business firm

This is relevant to my interests

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010344)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: Godawful stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010348)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: boyish native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010347)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:22 PM
Author: Glittery partner

? she was the hooker he saved from OD'ing earlier at the pool table guy's house

forget the details but he obviously didn't fit in and was sort of wandering around shocked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010373)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:23 PM
Author: passionate azure ceo station

Ok but you forgot the first and most important question in my OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010384)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:41 PM
Author: rebellious useless brakes

Cruise took off his jacket and they found the receipt of the costume he rented that same night with his full name. He was found out at that moment. His friend (who earlier invited him to a party) asked the hooker to warn him to gtfo. Didn't read whole thread, so disregard if this was already cleared up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487878)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:48 PM
Author: Lilac Base Sound Barrier

also, he was too short to be a man of power and influence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487937)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:23 PM
Author: Sexy excitant scourge upon the earth

the "meaning" of the whole thing is intended to be somewhat vague and unclear because it is showing cruise's bewilderment at stumbling into something far beyond his level of competence.

the earlier party scene was meant to show the "comprehensible" face of the same wealthy elites depicted later on. cruise believed himself to be equal in measure to those people, but in fact he was merely just a medical functionary who was nowhere close to the actual workings of high society.

he was "found out" by the fact that he arrived by taxi and also that he simply did not fit in, because he was unfamiliar with the customs and manners of the community which he attempted to infiltrate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010379)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:24 PM
Author: Glittery partner

cr and forgot about the taxi thing that really gave him away iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010389)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:24 PM
Author: razzle business firm

892743823965382765423423425325 analysis brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010392)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:25 PM
Author: alcoholic awkward therapy forum

CR

It has to do with his overall feelings of inadequacy in general, and especially regarding sex

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010396)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:26 PM
Author: razzle business firm

Care to expand on this observation, friend?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010409)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:29 PM
Author: alcoholic awkward therapy forum

It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't the whole other plot line driving the film the fantasies Kidman is having about some dude plowing her?

I forget if he's aware of this or not, but at least for the viewer (especially the male viewer, who is more likely to identify with Cruise) it makes his whole orgy excursion seem like a riposte to Kidman dreaming about CHAD the sailor.

But he isn't a stud, he's a sham--in that sense, the orgy scene is really like a nightmare of anxiety and humiliation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010429)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:30 PM
Author: razzle business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010442)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:50 PM
Author: insanely creepy chrome persian house

this is actually very credited and close to kubrick's intended symbolism for the film

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487948)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:27 PM
Author: beady-eyed well-lubricated marketing idea hall

Whole movie is like a dream. It's like the strands don't always fully come together or make a lot of sense. For example, what the fuck was going on inside of that costume shop?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010418)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:30 PM
Author: Godawful stag film

A owner's daughter was being pimped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010440)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:31 PM
Author: razzle business firm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDKiyehma28

UHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010445)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:35 PM
Author: Godawful stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010477)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:37 PM
Author: Sexy excitant scourge upon the earth

it related to the idea of everything being for sale, and money's ability to exert power and fulfill one's needs or fantasies. he goes there late, and bribes the shopkeeper to open up. he throws money at his problems and appears to take pride in that (he gets his costume after all), which sets up the destruction of his temporary sense of adequacy later on.

that was done in two main ways - the first was the fact that even though he shelled out money for costume and taxi (something that the street bros who harassed him probably couldn't have afforded), he was revealed as a fraud at the party by the fact that he hadn't spent nearly enough.

then, when it is implied that the shopkeeper sold his dotter to those creepy asians rather than going to the cops. EVERYTHING of the shopkeeper's was available for a price, and in that sense he was merely a cheap pimp, which exposed the pathetic nature of cruise's attempt to buy himself into the world of the elites.

for all of his supposed success, he was nowhere near successful enough to be regarded as an elite, nor was he enough of a man to keep his wife from discussing her fantasies about other men. when he breaks down sobbing toward the end and confesses everything, he has basically given up on his quest to become a real man/a real success, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010495)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:41 PM
Author: razzle business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010523)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:52 PM
Author: aggressive potus bawdyhouse

This is 180 analysis of a 176 movie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010602)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:25 AM
Author: tripping place of business

This is it right here. Excellent excellent work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012479)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:26 AM
Author: Buck-toothed Messiness

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012484)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle fishy locus

CR. Last paragraph is very XO-esque

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433898)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: peach weed whacker

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433915)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: Titillating Dog Poop Cruise Ship

wow 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433927)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: Diverse Sadistic Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433932)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: brilliant love of her life main people



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433942)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:53 PM
Author: Buck-toothed Messiness

Pretty CR but I once read a kooky theory that it was about China - US relations lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487962)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 11:49 PM
Author: insanely creepy chrome persian house

in this connection, it should be noted that the novella on which the film is based was written by a 1920s Austrian Jew doctor as a semi-autobiographical/introspective novel.

It's about Jews as nouveau-riche interlopers who will never be considered real elites despite their crass use of money. In the novella the bros shout anti-Semitic abuse at the Bill character. And he just takes it like a snivelling beta Jew.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488296)



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Date: February 26th, 2018 12:00 AM
Author: insanely creepy chrome persian house

Also in the original novella the guy that his Jewess wife fantasizes about fucking is a Nordic chad (Danish officer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488340)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:32 PM
Author: exciting market

(guy who needs everything to have "meaning")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010449)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:34 PM
Author: passionate azure ceo station

(Guy who's never seen a Kubrick film)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010469)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:35 PM
Author: boyish native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010473)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:36 PM
Author: Godawful stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010478)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:44 PM
Author: passionate azure ceo station

This is the cr analysis

https://youtube.com/watch?v=86s8b7PlEW0

It's a metaphor for the earlier Xmas party he Cruise and Kidman attended but with no false pretenses of high society manners. Just the base psychology and power dynamics of the elites laid bare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010543)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 11:06 PM
Author: Glittery partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010728)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:16 AM
Author: passionate azure ceo station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012219)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:59 PM
Author: rambunctious nibblets

Will watch again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010664)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:41 AM
Author: trip crawly lay

good thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012527)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: Aquamarine Overrated Plaza Famous Landscape Painting

i really think the whole movie was an elaborate troll of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433905)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: dashing gas station

So the point of the movie was to remind doctors that they're not really elite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433919)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: Diverse Sadistic Home

it's to expose the Rothschild and the Jewish elite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433936)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:56 PM
Author: frozen old irish cottage keepsake machete

As if they needed reminding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35434027)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 11:50 PM
Author: insanely creepy chrome persian house

yes, Jewish doctors. The author of the novella that was adapted into the film was an early 20th century Austrian Jew doctor (and so was the protagonist in the novella).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488302)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: Hairraiser Slate Sanctuary Organic Girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487931)