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Movie master men: explain the orgy scene in Eyes Wide Shut
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:18 PM Author: rose locus headpube What was the symbolism/meaning? Who was the woman behind the mask? How did they expose Cruise as being a fake? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010338) |
Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM Author: Bipolar marvelous house This is relevant to my interests (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010344) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM Author: opaque ceo azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010348) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM Author: 180 tripping circlehead doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010347) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:22 PM Author: Hairraiser federal abode volcanic crater ? she was the hooker he saved from OD'ing earlier at the pool table guy's house
forget the details but he obviously didn't fit in and was sort of wandering around shocked |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:23 PM Author: rose locus headpube Ok but you forgot the first and most important question in my OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010384) |
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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:41 PM Author: cerebral dopamine center Cruise took off his jacket and they found the receipt of the costume he rented that same night with his full name. He was found out at that moment. His friend (who earlier invited him to a party) asked the hooker to warn him to gtfo. Didn't read whole thread, so disregard if this was already cleared up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487878) |
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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:48 PM Author: Cerise Mentally Impaired Menage Voyeur also, he was too short to be a man of power and influence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487937) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:23 PM Author: Exciting stage the "meaning" of the whole thing is intended to be somewhat vague and unclear because it is showing cruise's bewilderment at stumbling into something far beyond his level of competence.
the earlier party scene was meant to show the "comprehensible" face of the same wealthy elites depicted later on. cruise believed himself to be equal in measure to those people, but in fact he was merely just a medical functionary who was nowhere close to the actual workings of high society.
he was "found out" by the fact that he arrived by taxi and also that he simply did not fit in, because he was unfamiliar with the customs and manners of the community which he attempted to infiltrate. |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:24 PM Author: Hairraiser federal abode volcanic crater cr and forgot about the taxi thing that really gave him away iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010389) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:24 PM Author: Bipolar marvelous house 892743823965382765423423425325 analysis brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010392) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:25 PM Author: emerald cuckold forum CR
It has to do with his overall feelings of inadequacy in general, and especially regarding sex |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:26 PM Author: Bipolar marvelous house Care to expand on this observation, friend? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010409) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:29 PM Author: emerald cuckold forum It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't the whole other plot line driving the film the fantasies Kidman is having about some dude plowing her?
I forget if he's aware of this or not, but at least for the viewer (especially the male viewer, who is more likely to identify with Cruise) it makes his whole orgy excursion seem like a riposte to Kidman dreaming about CHAD the sailor.
But he isn't a stud, he's a sham--in that sense, the orgy scene is really like a nightmare of anxiety and humiliation. |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:30 PM Author: Bipolar marvelous house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010442) |
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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:50 PM Author: copper public bath this is actually very credited and close to kubrick's intended symbolism for the film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487948) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:27 PM Author: Carmine metal stain Whole movie is like a dream. It's like the strands don't always fully come together or make a lot of sense. For example, what the fuck was going on inside of that costume shop? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010418) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:30 PM Author: opaque ceo azn A owner's daughter was being pimped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010440) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:31 PM Author: Bipolar marvelous house https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDKiyehma28
UHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:35 PM Author: opaque ceo azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010477) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:37 PM Author: Exciting stage it related to the idea of everything being for sale, and money's ability to exert power and fulfill one's needs or fantasies. he goes there late, and bribes the shopkeeper to open up. he throws money at his problems and appears to take pride in that (he gets his costume after all), which sets up the destruction of his temporary sense of adequacy later on.
that was done in two main ways - the first was the fact that even though he shelled out money for costume and taxi (something that the street bros who harassed him probably couldn't have afforded), he was revealed as a fraud at the party by the fact that he hadn't spent nearly enough.
then, when it is implied that the shopkeeper sold his dotter to those creepy asians rather than going to the cops. EVERYTHING of the shopkeeper's was available for a price, and in that sense he was merely a cheap pimp, which exposed the pathetic nature of cruise's attempt to buy himself into the world of the elites.
for all of his supposed success, he was nowhere near successful enough to be regarded as an elite, nor was he enough of a man to keep his wife from discussing her fantasies about other men. when he breaks down sobbing toward the end and confesses everything, he has basically given up on his quest to become a real man/a real success, etc. |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:41 PM Author: Bipolar marvelous house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010523) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:52 PM Author: Slate market This is 180 analysis of a 176 movie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010602) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:25 AM Author: sickened clear ladyboy This is it right here. Excellent excellent work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012479) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:26 AM Author: jet theatre CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012484) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:33 PM Author: charismatic hateful french chef CR. Last paragraph is very XO-esque (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433898) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: vibrant piazza 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433915) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:40 PM Author: Motley crackhouse wow 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433927) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: galvanic double fault trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433932) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:42 PM Author: very tactful arousing point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433942) |
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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:53 PM Author: jet theatre Pretty CR but I once read a kooky theory that it was about China - US relations lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487962) |
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Date: February 25th, 2018 11:49 PM Author: copper public bath in this connection, it should be noted that the novella on which the film is based was written by a 1920s Austrian Jew doctor as a semi-autobiographical/introspective novel.
It's about Jews as nouveau-riche interlopers who will never be considered real elites despite their crass use of money. In the novella the bros shout anti-Semitic abuse at the Bill character. And he just takes it like a snivelling beta Jew. |
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Date: February 26th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: copper public bath Also in the original novella the guy that his Jewess wife fantasizes about fucking is a Nordic chad (Danish officer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488340) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:32 PM Author: saffron medicated gas station generalized bond (guy who needs everything to have "meaning") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010449) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:34 PM Author: rose locus headpube (Guy who's never seen a Kubrick film) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010469) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:35 PM Author: 180 tripping circlehead doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010473) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:36 PM Author: opaque ceo azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010478) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:44 PM Author: rose locus headpube This is the cr analysis
https://youtube.com/watch?v=86s8b7PlEW0
It's a metaphor for the earlier Xmas party he Cruise and Kidman attended but with no false pretenses of high society manners. Just the base psychology and power dynamics of the elites laid bare. |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 11:06 PM Author: Hairraiser federal abode volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010728) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:16 AM Author: rose locus headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012219) |
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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:59 PM Author: Ruddy Narrow-minded Parlour Gunner Will watch again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010664) |
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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:41 AM Author: Curious locale good thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012527) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:34 PM Author: seedy lascivious office i really think the whole movie was an elaborate troll of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433905) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: Fragrant Startling Newt Filthpig So the point of the movie was to remind doctors that they're not really elite? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433919) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: galvanic double fault trust fund it's to expose the Rothschild and the Jewish elite (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433936) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:56 PM Author: brass water buffalo As if they needed reminding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35434027) |
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Date: February 25th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: copper public bath yes, Jewish doctors. The author of the novella that was adapted into the film was an early 20th century Austrian Jew doctor (and so was the protagonist in the novella). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488302) |
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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:47 PM Author: Pearly Awkward Foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487931) |