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Movie master men: explain the orgy scene in Eyes Wide Shut

What was the symbolism/meaning? Who was the woman behind the...
rambunctious pit
  10/20/15
This is relevant to my interests
primrose swashbuckling area prole
  10/20/15
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Ebony Sandwich Space
  10/20/15
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wine athletic conference coffee pot
  10/20/15
? she was the hooker he saved from OD'ing earlier at the poo...
submissive heady windowlicker
  10/20/15
Ok but you forgot the first and most important question in ...
rambunctious pit
  10/20/15
Cruise took off his jacket and they found the receipt of the...
Rusted Multi-colored Selfie
  02/25/18
also, he was too short to be a man of power and influence
razzmatazz harsh jewess
  02/25/18
the "meaning" of the whole thing is intended to be...
Flushed at-the-ready striped hyena
  10/20/15
cr and forgot about the taxi thing that really gave him away...
submissive heady windowlicker
  10/20/15
892743823965382765423423425325 analysis brother
primrose swashbuckling area prole
  10/20/15
CR It has to do with his overall feelings of inadequacy i...
Vengeful Stirring Forum Nowag
  10/20/15
Care to expand on this observation, friend?
primrose swashbuckling area prole
  10/20/15
It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't the whole ot...
Vengeful Stirring Forum Nowag
  10/20/15
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primrose swashbuckling area prole
  10/20/15
this is actually very credited and close to kubrick's intend...
red big foreskin
  02/25/18
Whole movie is like a dream. It's like the strands don't alw...
sapphire supple brunch
  10/20/15
A owner's daughter was being pimped
Ebony Sandwich Space
  10/20/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDKiyehma28 UHHHHHHNNNNNN...
primrose swashbuckling area prole
  10/20/15
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Ebony Sandwich Space
  10/20/15
it related to the idea of everything being for sale, and mon...
Flushed at-the-ready striped hyena
  10/20/15
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primrose swashbuckling area prole
  10/20/15
This is 180 analysis of a 176 movie
Vermilion Heaven
  10/20/15
This is it right here. Excellent excellent work.
Aromatic blood rage gaping
  10/21/15
CR
cracking pearl den
  10/21/15
CR. Last paragraph is very XO-esque
Racy alcoholic stock car doctorate
  02/18/18
180
hyperactive fanboi
  02/18/18
wow 180
curious flickering voyeur library
  02/18/18
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poppy national
  02/18/18
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umber resort black woman
  02/18/18
Pretty CR but I once read a kooky theory that it was about C...
cracking pearl den
  02/25/18
in this connection, it should be noted that the novella on w...
red big foreskin
  02/25/18
Also in the original novella the guy that his Jewess wife fa...
red big foreskin
  02/26/18
(guy who needs everything to have "meaning")
Adventurous jap
  10/20/15
(Guy who's never seen a Kubrick film)
rambunctious pit
  10/20/15
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wine athletic conference coffee pot
  10/20/15
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Ebony Sandwich Space
  10/20/15
This is the cr analysis https://youtube.com/watch?v=86s8b...
rambunctious pit
  10/20/15
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submissive heady windowlicker
  10/20/15
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rambunctious pit
  10/21/15
Will watch again
Seedy Twinkling Organic Girlfriend
  10/20/15
good thread
Gaped theater volcanic crater
  10/21/15
i really think the whole movie was an elaborate troll of Tom...
cerebral soggy gas station skinny woman
  02/18/18
So the point of the movie was to remind doctors that they're...
soul-stirring home
  02/18/18
it's to expose the Rothschild and the Jewish elite
poppy national
  02/18/18
As if they needed reminding.
charismatic sinister nursing home
  02/18/18
yes, Jewish doctors. The author of the novella that was ada...
red big foreskin
  02/25/18
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  02/25/18


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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:18 PM
Author: rambunctious pit

What was the symbolism/meaning? Who was the woman behind the mask? How did they expose Cruise as being a fake?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010338)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: primrose swashbuckling area prole

This is relevant to my interests

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010344)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: Ebony Sandwich Space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010348)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:19 PM
Author: wine athletic conference coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010347)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:22 PM
Author: submissive heady windowlicker

? she was the hooker he saved from OD'ing earlier at the pool table guy's house

forget the details but he obviously didn't fit in and was sort of wandering around shocked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010373)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:23 PM
Author: rambunctious pit

Ok but you forgot the first and most important question in my OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010384)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:41 PM
Author: Rusted Multi-colored Selfie

Cruise took off his jacket and they found the receipt of the costume he rented that same night with his full name. He was found out at that moment. His friend (who earlier invited him to a party) asked the hooker to warn him to gtfo. Didn't read whole thread, so disregard if this was already cleared up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487878)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:48 PM
Author: razzmatazz harsh jewess

also, he was too short to be a man of power and influence

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487937)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:23 PM
Author: Flushed at-the-ready striped hyena

the "meaning" of the whole thing is intended to be somewhat vague and unclear because it is showing cruise's bewilderment at stumbling into something far beyond his level of competence.

the earlier party scene was meant to show the "comprehensible" face of the same wealthy elites depicted later on. cruise believed himself to be equal in measure to those people, but in fact he was merely just a medical functionary who was nowhere close to the actual workings of high society.

he was "found out" by the fact that he arrived by taxi and also that he simply did not fit in, because he was unfamiliar with the customs and manners of the community which he attempted to infiltrate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010379)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:24 PM
Author: submissive heady windowlicker

cr and forgot about the taxi thing that really gave him away iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010389)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:24 PM
Author: primrose swashbuckling area prole

892743823965382765423423425325 analysis brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010392)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:25 PM
Author: Vengeful Stirring Forum Nowag

CR

It has to do with his overall feelings of inadequacy in general, and especially regarding sex

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010396)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:26 PM
Author: primrose swashbuckling area prole

Care to expand on this observation, friend?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010409)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:29 PM
Author: Vengeful Stirring Forum Nowag

It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't the whole other plot line driving the film the fantasies Kidman is having about some dude plowing her?

I forget if he's aware of this or not, but at least for the viewer (especially the male viewer, who is more likely to identify with Cruise) it makes his whole orgy excursion seem like a riposte to Kidman dreaming about CHAD the sailor.

But he isn't a stud, he's a sham--in that sense, the orgy scene is really like a nightmare of anxiety and humiliation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010429)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:30 PM
Author: primrose swashbuckling area prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010442)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:50 PM
Author: red big foreskin

this is actually very credited and close to kubrick's intended symbolism for the film

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487948)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:27 PM
Author: sapphire supple brunch

Whole movie is like a dream. It's like the strands don't always fully come together or make a lot of sense. For example, what the fuck was going on inside of that costume shop?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010418)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:30 PM
Author: Ebony Sandwich Space

A owner's daughter was being pimped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010440)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:31 PM
Author: primrose swashbuckling area prole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDKiyehma28

UHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010445)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:35 PM
Author: Ebony Sandwich Space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010477)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:37 PM
Author: Flushed at-the-ready striped hyena

it related to the idea of everything being for sale, and money's ability to exert power and fulfill one's needs or fantasies. he goes there late, and bribes the shopkeeper to open up. he throws money at his problems and appears to take pride in that (he gets his costume after all), which sets up the destruction of his temporary sense of adequacy later on.

that was done in two main ways - the first was the fact that even though he shelled out money for costume and taxi (something that the street bros who harassed him probably couldn't have afforded), he was revealed as a fraud at the party by the fact that he hadn't spent nearly enough.

then, when it is implied that the shopkeeper sold his dotter to those creepy asians rather than going to the cops. EVERYTHING of the shopkeeper's was available for a price, and in that sense he was merely a cheap pimp, which exposed the pathetic nature of cruise's attempt to buy himself into the world of the elites.

for all of his supposed success, he was nowhere near successful enough to be regarded as an elite, nor was he enough of a man to keep his wife from discussing her fantasies about other men. when he breaks down sobbing toward the end and confesses everything, he has basically given up on his quest to become a real man/a real success, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010495)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:41 PM
Author: primrose swashbuckling area prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010523)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:52 PM
Author: Vermilion Heaven

This is 180 analysis of a 176 movie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010602)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:25 AM
Author: Aromatic blood rage gaping

This is it right here. Excellent excellent work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012479)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:26 AM
Author: cracking pearl den

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012484)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:33 PM
Author: Racy alcoholic stock car doctorate

CR. Last paragraph is very XO-esque

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433898)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: hyperactive fanboi

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433915)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: curious flickering voyeur library

wow 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433927)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: poppy national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433932)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: umber resort black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433942)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:53 PM
Author: cracking pearl den

Pretty CR but I once read a kooky theory that it was about China - US relations lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487962)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 11:49 PM
Author: red big foreskin

in this connection, it should be noted that the novella on which the film is based was written by a 1920s Austrian Jew doctor as a semi-autobiographical/introspective novel.

It's about Jews as nouveau-riche interlopers who will never be considered real elites despite their crass use of money. In the novella the bros shout anti-Semitic abuse at the Bill character. And he just takes it like a snivelling beta Jew.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488296)



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Date: February 26th, 2018 12:00 AM
Author: red big foreskin

Also in the original novella the guy that his Jewess wife fantasizes about fucking is a Nordic chad (Danish officer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488340)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:32 PM
Author: Adventurous jap

(guy who needs everything to have "meaning")

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010449)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:34 PM
Author: rambunctious pit

(Guy who's never seen a Kubrick film)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010469)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:35 PM
Author: wine athletic conference coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010473)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:36 PM
Author: Ebony Sandwich Space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010478)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:44 PM
Author: rambunctious pit

This is the cr analysis

https://youtube.com/watch?v=86s8b7PlEW0

It's a metaphor for the earlier Xmas party he Cruise and Kidman attended but with no false pretenses of high society manners. Just the base psychology and power dynamics of the elites laid bare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010543)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 11:06 PM
Author: submissive heady windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010728)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 8:16 AM
Author: rambunctious pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012219)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 10:59 PM
Author: Seedy Twinkling Organic Girlfriend

Will watch again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29010664)



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Date: October 21st, 2015 9:41 AM
Author: Gaped theater volcanic crater

good thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#29012527)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:34 PM
Author: cerebral soggy gas station skinny woman

i really think the whole movie was an elaborate troll of Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433905)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: soul-stirring home

So the point of the movie was to remind doctors that they're not really elite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433919)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:41 PM
Author: poppy national

it's to expose the Rothschild and the Jewish elite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35433936)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 9:56 PM
Author: charismatic sinister nursing home

As if they needed reminding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35434027)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 11:50 PM
Author: red big foreskin

yes, Jewish doctors. The author of the novella that was adapted into the film was an early 20th century Austrian Jew doctor (and so was the protagonist in the novella).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35488302)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: chrome house candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022633&forum_id=2#35487931)