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99 percentile on both the LSAT/SAT, common?

so i know a lot of you have 172+, and a lot also went to yal...
vl002001  11/22/05
where does genius IQ supposedly start? 130? Is that 3 standa...
xo_fan  11/22/05
Um... 130 seems a little low for genius. I've heard 160...
trendspotter  11/22/05
So albert einstein barely qualified as a genius? Fascinating...
xo_fan  11/22/05
What was his IQ? I think we can agree that Einstein woul...
trendspotter  11/22/05
165
xo_fan  11/22/05
Eisnstein had 5 points to spare, so this would seem a reason...
trendspotter  11/22/05
actually, I'm not even sure about my wild claim of 165; no c...
xo_fan  11/22/05
135 is the typical cutoff
felix167  11/22/05
Makes more sense. I would prefer 140 or 150 myself.
trendspotter  11/22/05
135 is like 97th percentile. I don't think of that as "...
felix167  11/22/05
"where does genius IQ supposedly start? 130? Is that 3 ...
...mobiusnu...  11/22/05
99.7/99.7
Late Apps  11/22/05
The 99th percentile SAT score is only 1490 on the old scale.
im_blue  11/22/05
Only? Wow. Isn't that higher then the HYP median?
trendspotter  11/22/05
It's probably somewhat harder to score in the 99th percentil...
trendspotter  11/22/05
What is a 166 now? Which percentile is that?
xi  11/22/05
94th/95th percentile.
trendspotter  11/22/05
I think it was 95th when I took it (that was my score-I know...
xi  11/22/05
It's good.
trendspotter  11/22/05
when i took the SAT way back when you needed a 760/760 to sc...
vl002001  11/22/05
I think if you score above the 99th percentile on both tests...
trendspotter  11/22/05
That score would put you in the 99th on each section, but yo...
Jul. Shock.  11/22/05
FWIW, a 99th percentile SAT score supposedly puts you in the...
trendspotter  11/22/05
So you would put it between a 177 and 180 LSAT score (assumi...
xo_fan  11/22/05
Well, if you think about all the douches at T14's that crack...
trendspotter  11/22/05
sweet.
xo_fan  11/22/05
Mensa website shows the difference in scores for different I...
45 yo man posting from Filene's basement  11/22/05
PSA: Mensa people aren't "geniuses" either -- the...
trendspotter  11/22/05
yeah this is true, MENSA is very TTT. It's like Boalt: both...
xo_fan  11/22/05
Well said, though I kind of like Boalt for various reasons.
trendspotter  11/22/05
In fairness, I know nothing about the place other than that ...
xo_fan  11/22/05
Is she really that bad?
trendspotter  11/22/05
She was at one point but may have mellowed. I never got dra...
xo_fan  11/22/05
I have among the highest SAT/LSAT combos on here, and I'm ce...
Evan-2001  11/22/05
I have a 99/99...and no, I don't consider myself a genius at...
'''''''''''''''''''''  11/22/05
titcr unfortunately : (
asdf1234  11/22/05
almost everyone at a top law school.
ptbarnum  11/22/05
i seirously doubt that even half of the people have a 99/99....
vl002001  11/22/05
Terman's classification (the guy who wrote the Stanford-Bin...
...mobiusnu...  11/22/05


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Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:38 AM
Author: vl002001

so i know a lot of you have 172+, and a lot also went to yale/harvard/etc. so how common is it to score in the 99 percentile in both the SAT/LSAT? and does it mean that you're a genius?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355393)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:44 AM
Author: xo_fan

where does genius IQ supposedly start? 130? Is that 3 standard deviations above the mean? I think 99th percentile is not very many standard deviations above the mean, but I've never scored low enough on a standardized test to wonder how many above a 99th percentile score is. Something like that, plus the extent to which you think SAT/LSAT correlates with IQ and the extent to which you think IQ measures genius at all accurately should help.

http://www.robertniles.com/stats/stdev.shtml - first link that came up on a search, suggests 3 ~ 99th percentile, so maybe you are a genius.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355411)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:49 AM
Author: trendspotter

Um... 130 seems a little low for genius.

I've heard 160 for genius.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355426)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:00 AM
Author: xo_fan

So albert einstein barely qualified as a genius? Fascinating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355474)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:01 AM
Author: trendspotter

What was his IQ?

I think we can agree that Einstein would qualify. What seems far less likely is that one out of very 100 people who take the SAT should qualify, since this would indicate thousands of newly identified "geniuses" every year. At that point, the word no longer means much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355483)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:02 AM
Author: xo_fan

165

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355490)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:04 AM
Author: trendspotter

Eisnstein had 5 points to spare, so this would seem a reasonable cutoff. Hard to say that someone 35 points lower should also qualify.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355500)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:05 AM
Author: xo_fan

actually, I'm not even sure about my wild claim of 165; no clear google result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355509)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:03 AM
Author: felix167

135 is the typical cutoff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355492)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:04 AM
Author: trendspotter

Makes more sense. I would prefer 140 or 150 myself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355501)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:14 AM
Author: felix167

135 is like 97th percentile. I don't think of that as "genius" but that's usually where it's drawn. Terms liek "idiot" and "moron" also correspond to IQ's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355546)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 12:55 PM
Author: ...mobiusnu... (Unum saltum et siffletum et unum bumbulum)

"where does genius IQ supposedly start? 130? Is that 3 standard deviations above the mean?"

3 SD above is 145 or 148 depending on the scale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4356780)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 12:27 PM
Author: Late Apps
Subject: 99.7/99.7

And I'm not a genius.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4356574)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:39 AM
Author: im_blue

The 99th percentile SAT score is only 1490 on the old scale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355396)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:50 AM
Author: trendspotter

Only? Wow. Isn't that higher then the HYP median?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355432)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:50 AM
Author: trendspotter

It's probably somewhat harder to score in the 99th percentile on the LSAT, FWIW.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355435)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:53 AM
Author: xi

What is a 166 now? Which percentile is that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355442)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:53 AM
Author: trendspotter

94th/95th percentile.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355445)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:54 AM
Author: xi

I think it was 95th when I took it (that was my score-I know, shitty for xoxo standards, but I did my best)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355447)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:55 AM
Author: trendspotter

It's good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355453)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:53 AM
Author: vl002001

when i took the SAT way back when you needed a 760/760 to score in the 99percentile which is a 1520. i'm pretty sure it fluctuates year by year.

but actually im more concerned with how common the 99/99 is, moreso than if you're a genius or not. i kinda was just wanting to see if the people who scored 99/99 thought of themselves as very very smart. :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355443)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:56 AM
Author: trendspotter

I think if you score above the 99th percentile on both tests, you're probably pretty smart in (at least) certain areas, though probably not in all.

Just don't get your head swelled!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355457)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 10:09 AM
Author: Jul. Shock. (Achewood underground hip-hop)

That score would put you in the 99th on each section, but your composite score could be lower than that to be in the 99th percentile composite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355890)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 3:55 AM
Author: trendspotter

FWIW, a 99th percentile SAT score supposedly puts you in the 99.7th percentile overall in terms of IQ. (Not everyone takes the SAT.)

Still, without an official definition of genius, I don't think you can conclude anything. To me a genius is more like a 1 in 10,000 thing, or maybe one in 100,000.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355451)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:02 AM
Author: xo_fan

So you would put it between a 177 and 180 LSAT score (assuming erroneously that everyone takes the LSAT, it measures genius, etc.)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355488)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:06 AM
Author: trendspotter

Well, if you think about all the douches at T14's that crack 170, I think we can agree that doing that well doesn't make you a true "genius".

I'm not even sure everyone who gets over 177 is a genius, but that at least seems a little more arguable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355511)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:06 AM
Author: xo_fan

sweet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355514)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:05 AM
Author: 45 yo man posting from Filene's basement

Mensa website shows the difference in scores for different IQ tests for the magic 2% mark that they let in. Expect that the IQ number for "genius" varies quite a bit, depending on the exam.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355508)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:07 AM
Author: trendspotter

PSA: Mensa people aren't "geniuses" either -- they're simply supposedly of "high IQ".

You can get into Mensa with a 163, I believe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355518)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:08 AM
Author: xo_fan

yeah this is true, MENSA is very TTT. It's like Boalt: both claim to be prestigious, yet let in a significant number of idiots.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355523)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:09 AM
Author: trendspotter

Well said, though I kind of like Boalt for various reasons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355527)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:10 AM
Author: xo_fan

In fairness, I know nothing about the place other than that perhaps the most annoying poster in the history of the universe goes there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355531)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:11 AM
Author: trendspotter

Is she really that bad?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355537)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:14 AM
Author: xo_fan

She was at one point but may have mellowed. I never got drawn into a protracted argument with her because I declined to respond to her more idiotic points, so others took them up, but still her presence in the T14 which in turn mooches on the prestige of HYSCCN and then HYS and then Y grates. What can I say, I'm a brain bigot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355543)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 4:38 AM
Author: Evan-2001

I have among the highest SAT/LSAT combos on here, and I'm certainly not a genius.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355626)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 7:53 AM
Author: '''''''''''''''''''''

I have a 99/99...and no, I don't consider myself a genius at all.

Usually I just think that other people are stupid.

=D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4355716)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 12:59 PM
Author: asdf1234

titcr

unfortunately : (



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4356802)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 1:07 PM
Author: ptbarnum (ptbarnum666@yahoo.com)

almost everyone at a top law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4356850)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 1:13 PM
Author: vl002001

i seirously doubt that even half of the people have a 99/99. the medians for all these schools are like 169 or whatever which doesn't even qualify for 99 lsat!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4356903)




Date: November 22nd, 2005 1:11 PM
Author: ...mobiusnu... (Unum saltum et siffletum et unum bumbulum)

Terman's classification (the guy who wrote the Stanford-Binet test):

140 and over; Genius or near genius

120-140; Very superior intelligence

110-120; Superior intelligence

90-110; Normal or average intelligence

80-90; Dullness

70-80; Borderline deficiency

Below 70; Definite feeble-mindedness

Wechsler says:

Very Superior 128

Superior 120-127

Bright Normal 111-119

Average 91-110

Dull Normal 80-90

Borderline 66-79

Defective 65



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=303772&forum_id=2#4356886)