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Over dissent, HELD: Ariz. Dept. of Ag. may approve identical cattle brands.
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Date: August 9th, 2016 3:53 PM Author: impressive theatre Stambaugh v. Butler, No. 1 CA-CV 14-0817 (Ariz. Ct. App. Aug 9, 2016)
http://www.azcourts.gov/Portals/0/OpinionFiles/Div1/2016/CV14-0817.pdf
FACTS: Dude who has a bar seven (-7) cattle brand placed on the left rib wants to take his beasts from California to Arizona. He asks the Arizona Department of Agriculture for permission. Another dude in Arizona with a bar seven cattle brand placed on the left hip objects, NO FUCKING WAY; THAT'S MINE. And the statute says you can't register two identical designs.
ISSUE: Does the law allow identical brands on different parts of the cow?
HELD: Yes. Despite statutory language providing that "[n]o two brands of the same design or figure shall be adopted or recorded," the Arizona Department of Agriculture may approve identical brands if the brands are registered to different locations on the animal.
DISSENT: You fools. The prohibition on having the same DESIGN is completely separate from the statutory language you rely on concerning the LOCATION the design is placed.
DEEP ANALYSIS: Dissents are rare in Arizona appellate cases, and they're usually right when a judge goes to the effort of writing one. Here, the majority bared its unscholarly motives when it was, like, "Yeah, but if we don't allow the same brand in different places, it might invalidate other brands, and that's bad." The California cattledood should have been told to come up with a different brand.
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Date: August 9th, 2016 3:55 PM Author: impressive theatre Don't say I never do anything for you.
This is cutting edge shit. |
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Date: August 9th, 2016 3:58 PM Author: Marvelous Brass Set Pocket Flask this is outrageous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31144599) |
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Date: August 9th, 2016 4:15 PM Author: impressive theatre Beyond the pale.
Perhaps we should offer our services to petition for supreme court review.
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Date: August 10th, 2016 1:01 AM Author: chocolate deep brunch CR completely indefensible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31149195) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 6:10 PM Author: impressive theatre You going to fly in for the supreme court oral argument? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32714248) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 10:10 PM Author: chocolate deep brunch When was it? Is there a transcript? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33614248) |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 12:58 AM Author: impressive theatre Bump for the late night cattle law scholars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31149173) |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 1:01 AM Author: chocolate deep brunch tyty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31149198) |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 1:23 AM Author: Amethyst Disgusting Trust Fund Resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31149320) |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 2:58 AM Author: Bonkers stain 180 legal brief in op (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31149690) |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 4:55 AM Author: impressive theatre Just bringing scholarly treats to my friends.
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Date: August 4th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: concupiscible cocky twinkling uncleanness whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33917455) |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 6:57 AM Author: spectacular locale water buffalo This is clearly a legislative issue, but are our legislatures so worthless that we need the courts to rewrite laws like this? Perhaps they are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31150018) |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 8:20 PM Author: chocolate deep brunch Stfu this is outrageous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31155291) |
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Date: September 12th, 2016 6:33 PM Author: Trip school cafeteria pisswyrm ah, the legislature did its job, the court ignored the plain language at least that's what it looks like |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 7:04 AM Author: spectacular locale water buffalo Majority: "Who gives a shit about the exact wording of the law as long as the function of telling the brands apart is served?"
Minority: "WTF? This is directly contradictory to the law."
tbf,the majority opinion seems more efficient in this case but represents quite a transfer of power to the court |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 7:17 PM Author: impressive theatre JUSTICE FOR THE STAMBAUGH COWS!
Look at this jibberish:
"The ambiguity exists by virtue of the language of A.R.S. § 3-1261 and related statutes, read in context with each other. Accordingly, we must look, inter alia, to the Department’s longstanding construction of the statutes. *****To do otherwise might render invalid hundreds of brands the Department accepted for recording over the past several decades based on their owners’ promises to apply the brands in different locations than prior similar recorded brands were to be applied.***** "
What do the consequences of "do[ing] otherwise" have to do with the interpretive task at hand?
Nothing. That's what.
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Date: August 11th, 2016 12:19 AM Author: Comical shrine gay wizard also seems like appellate court fact-finding
and results driven reasoning
and an impermissible delegation of power to agency that exceeds plain statutory text
i mean wtf. wtf. |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 8:46 AM Author: Magenta demanding hominid bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31668312) |
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Date: August 10th, 2016 10:22 PM Author: chocolate deep brunch I'm so mad about this. The plaintiff must be livid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31156268) |
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Date: August 11th, 2016 12:16 AM Author: impressive theatre Whether in this life or the next, the Stambaugh cattle will have their vindication. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31156933) |
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Date: August 11th, 2016 12:24 AM Author: Glittery garnet factory reset button lodge Radicals in robes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31156966) |
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Date: September 13th, 2016 8:05 PM Author: Naked Beady-eyed Ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31400705) |
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Date: August 11th, 2016 12:47 AM Author: topaz kitty chapel cattle branding is animal abuse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31157062) |
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Date: March 10th, 2017 12:42 PM Author: impressive theatre You more of an RFID ear tag guy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32797765) |
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Date: August 11th, 2016 1:01 AM Author: learning disabled university Seething with rage right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31157110) |
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Date: August 11th, 2016 1:37 AM Author: impressive theatre The deadlines for motions for reconsideration and petitions for supreme court review haven't passed yet. There's still hope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31157339) |
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Date: August 12th, 2016 5:12 PM Author: impressive theatre http://bit.ly/2aRjSF7
Motions for reconsideration due by August 24, 2016.
Petitions for supreme court review due by September 8, 2016. |
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Date: March 6th, 2017 8:01 PM Author: Jade thriller haunted graveyard do we still have time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32768913) |
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Date: September 12th, 2016 6:30 PM Author: impressive theatre Petition for review filed with Arizona Supreme Court.
May justice be done. |
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Date: September 13th, 2016 7:36 PM Author: impressive theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31400545) |
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Date: September 12th, 2016 6:33 PM Author: chocolate deep brunch YNY
I hope they tear the lower court a new one |
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Date: September 12th, 2016 7:24 PM Author: Puce passionate business firm sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31392672) |
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Date: September 12th, 2016 6:36 PM Author: silver elite property weed whacker a sad day for cattlelaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31392339) |
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Date: September 13th, 2016 2:46 AM Author: Mint curious gaping market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31395710) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 4:56 PM Author: impressive theatre The supreme court granted review, brother.
May the Stambaugh cows be vindicated and cattle law repaired. |
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Date: September 13th, 2016 1:24 AM Author: impressive theatre When you love the law, the law finds you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31395395) |
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Date: September 12th, 2016 8:43 PM Author: french flushed meetinghouse Very good case. Thank you for sharing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31393375) |
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Date: September 13th, 2016 2:39 AM Author: underhanded mauve persian police squad pretty 180 thread, kirby (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31395692) |
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Date: September 13th, 2016 2:58 AM Author: impressive theatre Your support of the Stambaugh cattle is thanks enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31395722) |
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Date: September 13th, 2016 7:44 PM Author: Trip school cafeteria pisswyrm this is why we got into law fuck this bullshit. this pisses me off so much. |
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Date: September 13th, 2016 8:05 PM Author: Naked Beady-eyed Ape so tired of this activisTTT court (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31400707) |
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Date: October 7th, 2016 6:22 PM Author: chocolate deep brunch Any sense of when the az sp Ct will hear the appeal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31582088) |
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Date: October 7th, 2016 6:49 PM Author: impressive theatre A petition for review was filed, but the supreme court only grants around 3.9% of petitions in civil cases, which is usually a bit under 20 cases per year. It's a long shot.
Right now, it's taking about four months for the supreme court to consider petitions for review, and then it takes a while for them to get around to issuing the order to grant or deny.
The state got an extension until October 28 to file its response to the petition. So I'd guess that the petition will be decided around April.
Here's the supreme court's docket: http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/aacc/appella/ASC/CV/CV160217.PDF |
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Date: October 17th, 2016 6:12 PM Author: impressive theatre Article
http://www.law360.com/articles/826695/placement-is-key-for-dueling-livestock-brands-court-finds |
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Date: October 17th, 2016 8:26 PM Author: chocolate deep brunch The law is not "somewhat ambiguous." This is outrageous. If a court can do this it can do anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31665497) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 8:45 AM Author: Vibrant Public Bath Idea He Suggested bbw ranchers are watching this case closely (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#31668305) |
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Date: March 6th, 2017 7:49 PM Author: vigorous sticky plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32768795) |
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Date: November 28th, 2016 6:13 PM Author: impressive theatre Petition for review still pending (which is to be expected).
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/aacc/appella/ASC/CV/CV160217.PDF
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Date: December 16th, 2016 2:08 PM Author: chocolate deep brunch Can trump fix this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32157231) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 4:47 PM Author: impressive theatre Petition for review GRANTED against all odds.
May there be justice for Stambaugh's cows! |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:16 PM Author: Buff magical area cumskin ! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32714662) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 4:58 PM Author: impressive theatre The most prestigious cattle brand discussion board in the world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32713839) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:17 PM Author: Buff magical area cumskin Shit, can we get an amicus brief put together? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32714670) |
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Date: March 6th, 2017 2:10 PM Author: impressive theatre Oral argument is tomorrow at 10:15 a.m.
Maybe you can raise your hand and ask whether they'll let you say a few words. |
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Date: March 6th, 2017 2:22 PM Author: Buff magical area cumskin I'm actually planning to go to Arizona soon to see some spring training baseball, but not by tomorrow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32766344) |
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Date: March 6th, 2017 2:30 PM Author: Yellow Quadroon Ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32766392) |
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Date: March 6th, 2017 8:03 PM Author: swashbuckling cobalt mood I demand justice for are Arizona ranchbros. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32768933) |
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Date: March 8th, 2017 12:33 PM Author: impressive theatre Oral argument video available here:
https://www.azcourts.gov/AZ-Supreme-Court/Live-Archived-Video
I haven't watched it yet to see whether things are looking good for the Stambaugh cows, but I did notice that I had to turn off some of my ad blocking to get the video to load correctly. |
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Date: March 10th, 2017 1:12 AM Author: impressive theatre Thoughts on oral argument.
(1) The state's attorney was having a rough time, but he shut up one of the justices when the justice was, like, "Have you even seen branding?" and the lawyers was, like, "Motherfucker, I grew up on a ranch. I've done it. It's easy."
38:44 - context
39:09 - rancher-lawyer revealed
(2) On whole, I think things went better for Stambaugh's cows. May justice be done. |
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Date: March 10th, 2017 6:08 AM Author: Yellow Quadroon Ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32796273) |
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Date: March 10th, 2017 1:45 PM Author: Yellow Quadroon Ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#32798144) |
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Date: March 10th, 2017 12:43 PM Author: impressive theatre For those following along, the caption is now Stambaugh v. Killian.
Be sure to update your Westlaw and Lexis alerts. |
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Date: May 24th, 2017 2:52 AM Author: impressive theatre No decision has been issued yet, but I'm keeping an eye on things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33382639) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2017 3:16 PM Author: impressive theatre No movement. Still being monitored. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33456637) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2017 3:28 PM Author: Big azn scourge upon the earth Cattle rustlers all over AZ set free because nobody can prove whose cattle it was (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33456788) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2017 3:40 PM Author: cerise exciting state kirbymo, htf did this even come to your attention? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33456904) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2017 3:52 PM Author: impressive theatre I typically check all of the published Arizona cases twice per week, usually on Tuesday and Thursday. This one happened to be among them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33457063) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:25 PM Author: impressive theatre Justice delayed is justice denied! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33613900) |
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Date: July 31st, 2017 7:08 PM Author: impressive theatre Still waiting. You'll be the first to hear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33893125) |
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Date: July 31st, 2017 7:09 PM Author: Greedy laughsome lettuce fortuitous meteor i for one keep up with this thread and am anxious for the Supreme Court of Arizona to do what is just (no identical brands) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33893129) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 1:35 PM Author: impressive theatre This is a great day for the cattle of Arizona. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3316554&forum_id=2#33910857) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2017 1:31 PM Author: impressive theatre Subject: JUSTICE FOR THE STAMBAUGH CATTLE! http://www.azcourts.gov/Portals/0/OpinionFiles/Supreme/2017/CV160217PR.pdf
¶1 Arizona Revised Statute § 3-1261(B) provides that no two brands of the same design or figure shall be adopted or recorded. Nonetheless, the Arizona Department of Agriculture (“Department”) allowed Eureka Springs to record a “bar seven” brand (—7), even though it was identical to a previously recorded brand owned by David Stambaugh, because it was placed on a different location on the animals. We hold that the plain language of the statute precludes the Department from recording “two brands of the same design or figure” regardless of their location. |
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Date: February 13th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: chocolate deep brunch Can't believe I missed this
MAGA |
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Date: June 3rd, 2022 8:28 PM Author: Trip school cafeteria pisswyrm this case has tortured me for almost six years and i didn't know this outcome to be fair, it only felt like 2, maybe 3 years ago, but still allahu akbar and God bless america!
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