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Harrison Barnes Lays the Smackdown on Biglaw Quitters
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:18 PM Author: stimulating piazza http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/900044811/The-1-Attorney-Career-Killer-that-Attorneys-Are-Never-Taught/
Law firms and the partners in them desperately want to keep people around who are committed and willing to work hard. Your commitment matters. Anything that shows a lack of commitment is discarded like a virus in the most competitive firms.
I receive phone calls from attorneys daily who have had a good run. They may have made $250,000 in a large firm by the time they were five years out of law school and then thought it was OK to leave the practice of law for several months to a year and do something else.
One woman from a large Chicago firm who went to the University of Pennsylvania for law school became a contractor. Another guy who practiced securities law at a huge firm decided to write a book about his life. Another person from a massive firm in Los Angeles worked in legal aid in the rural South. One woman who graduated from Berkeley and practiced with a huge Palo Alto firm started a soap company. Another guy worked at Fried Frank after graduating from Harvard Law School and then went to work in his dad's business for a few years. Another woman started a clothing line in New York after finishing in the top of her law school class at NYU and working at a huge Wall Street law firm. One guy thought he was really smart because he went to Yale Law School and wanted to come back to a law firm after teaching for a few years.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Game over. Good bye. HAVE A NICE LIFE!
These people NEVER, NEVER, NEVER are likely to be hired by a large law firm ever again. No matter how well it is spun. It does not, will not, and cannot possibly work. This advice is critical information for attorneys. NEVER leave your position. You’ll look like a slacker.
It’s not because the above attorneys are not brilliant and interesting. It is simply because they were not 115% committed to working in a large law firm and practicing law.
I often hear this line from attorneys that leave a big law firm: "I looked at the lives the partners were leading and did not want to be like them. That is why I left."
GREAT DECISION! Now you are living in a small apartment, do not make enough money to support a family and do not have a job. Meanwhile … that partner you did not want to be like is doing important work, has a job and is providing for her family and at least working and contributing to society. You stuck by that decision and how brilliant and smart it was! |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:36 AM Author: rough-skinned hell This sounds like tech startup bullshit, even down to the "important work" flame.
> Meanwhile … that partner you did not want to be like is doing important work, has a job and is providing for her family and at least working and contributing to society
Hahahaha. Everything he says about Corporates (in law, tech, or banking) is true. You can't get back in if you've taken a break. However, the contribution to society is negative, and the kids of Corporates, although admitted to the best schools and jobs because of who their daddies are, turn into spoiled ingrate bastards. |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:38 AM Author: Emerald business firm Tech isn't like that at all, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364218) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:40 AM Author: rough-skinned hell It is at higher levels.
It's really easy to get a throwaway job that still pays better than any other shitty office job. Boot camp grads can pull that off.
If you want to be serious in tech, though, you gotta start climbing the ladder early because ageism starts at 30. |
Date: January 12th, 2017 10:19 PM Author: elite whorehouse chad that dykey finance associate from Debevoise who did the insufferable cartoon resignation is the classic argument against this. if she could get hired again after that, anyone can (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363229) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:44 AM Author: Opaque Fiercely-loyal Stag Film wtf she went back to law???
that's the most depressing thing ive heard in weeks |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 3:56 AM Author: cordovan karate gas station I'm sure she blogged about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364817) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 10:27 AM Author: Opaque Fiercely-loyal Stag Film Jesus Christ. That'd be like live blogging the retreat from kabul (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32365757) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: cordovan karate gas station "$220K reasons why I'm at Mayer Brown" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32366756) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 6:46 PM Author: razzle wild shrine Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369296) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 6:45 PM Author: razzle wild shrine For those that don't get this reference:
http://time.com/3005173/lawyer-cartoons-departure-memo/
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Date: January 13th, 2017 9:01 PM Author: vibrant arrogant lay Correct. Harrison Barnes is an actual retard. I've known a bunch of people who have quit big law to do stupid shit and come back. No one gaf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369890) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:20 PM Author: cordovan karate gas station Game over. Good bye. HAVE A NICE LIFE!
Dude's channeling Trump. |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:30 AM Author: Mewling market yarmulke sounds like Glengary Glen Ross to me.
GOOD FATHER?! GO HOME, PLAY WITH YOUR KIDS! |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:28 PM Author: stimulating piazza When an attorney starts work, they are surrounded by enormously competitive people inside a law firm. All sorts of games are occurring where people are psyching one another out, such as people in the firm starting rumors and much more.
Everyone is trying to break your sense of commitment, but your job is to stay focused and committed.
Most people give up. I see people give up all the time.
People give up practicing law. They give up trying to be a musician. They give up trying to be an actor. They give up trying to be a writer.
They give up on their dreams and what they were meant to do. |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:30 PM Author: Mewling market yarmulke no better encapsulation of how much the profession sucks than this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363285) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:32 PM Author: stimulating piazza nah bro, he is just spitting truth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363306) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:36 PM Author: Electric Nowag Meanwhile … that partner you did not want to be like is doing important work, has a job and is providing for her family and at least working and contributing to society
lol at this clown. that partner is miserable and his wife, kids and society at large hate him. |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:41 PM Author: Adulterous Generalized Bond Lol at this recruiter fuckhead. Go shove it up your ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363385) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:43 PM Author: lascivious idea he suggested gaping Well said (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363398) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:03 AM Author: crimson messiness temple This fucker should be gassed on principal. He is every reason I hated biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363929) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:42 PM Author: razzle wild shrine So, some guy who doesn't work in a law firm is telling biglawyers that there's no possible life outside of firms? Not to mention the obvious self-interest inherent in being a recruiter, mostly for large firms? Really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363396) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: Deranged vivacious giraffe TBF for the vast majority there is no good life outside of a firm. In-house gigs that are worth a damn are like winning the lottery and can take YEARS of consistent work to get. But a shitty life outside a firm can still be preferable to life in a firm for some people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363428) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:10 AM Author: Emerald business firm So law in general just sucks balls unless you do government or in house....welp, might as well leave the law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363990) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 9:42 AM Author: vermilion narrow-minded site Lol you couldn't even get a firm job out of LS don't try to talk like you know shit about anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32365566) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:43 PM Author: Talking thriller stead old irish cottage i envision this guy taking hits off of a scarface sized pile of coke before he writes these unhinged screeds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363402) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:07 AM Author: Emerald business firm I'm pretty sure he's trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363968) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:45 PM Author: Deranged vivacious giraffe Soooo much BS. You need to be committed but you also need to play "the game." There's a ridiculous amount of favoritism and politics that goes on in firms because partners own you like chattel and they know it. Sucking their cocks for 5 years at a go (and some chicks will literally suck their cocks) is not for everyone since the alternative is not starving to death on some street corner. Some people can deal with it but others cant or just dont want to. It depends on how much self respect you have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363421) |
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Date: January 12th, 2017 10:52 PM Author: Deranged vivacious giraffe The most truthful bit is that once you leave biglaw you are almost certainly never going to be allowed back in. People need to know that. Too many bodies wanting to do the work and they have no need to ever even consider "non-lifers." That's really the worst part of it. Every other industry if you need to kill a year doing a safari in Africa -- go right ahead, but not in law. If you leave for a year you are done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363454) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:06 AM Author: Emerald business firm Just "work for a friend's company" as legal counsel bro...ain't that hard to have resume filler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363953) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:10 AM Author: dashing drab pit immigrant Aren't you kind of agreeing with his entire article then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32363996) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:38 AM Author: sexy native water buffalo It's harder but know plenty who went back. Women can just spin it as taking time off to raise their kids. This binary attitude is very common here and by retards like Barnes. It's not accurate though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364216) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:07 AM Author: Walnut floppy fanboi I sincerely hope my skimming of this is missing something.
WRITE IN ALL CAPS TO YELL AT SUPPOSED PROFESSIONALS ABOUT HOW THEY ARE DONE HERE, FUCKED, DONE HERE,
as one of them does something noble and goes and works for legal aid?
BUT THE CORPORATIONS!!! WHO WILL PROOFREAD 9.2 and THE OTHER CLAUSES???????? THINK OF THEM@!!! |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:09 AM Author: crimson messiness temple One error in one assignment can ruin your career. I've seen it happen. This faggot should gas himself |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:13 AM Author: Emerald business firm I don't get what's bad about never doing big law again...am I missing something? Isn't that the entire point of quitting big law? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364021) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:17 AM Author: stimulating piazza When you give up, there is a tremendous sense of frustration and regret that follows you throughout your life. When you give up and choose a life and career that is less fulfilling, your days are filled with regret and thoughts about what could have been. You feel that you could have or should have done something differently that you did not do. You stop trying and, consequently, you sell out for something that is less than you are capable of being and doing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364049) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:18 AM Author: Emerald business firm LOLOLOL
This guy is a good fiction writer.
Also, he's a recruiter - how stupid is it for him to look down on working at legal aid or running your own soap business? |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 10:52 AM Author: lascivious idea he suggested gaping One thing Barnes does not seem to appreciate is that people don't quit biglaw simply because they were unable to hack it and give "115%" -- they quit because it is NOT fulfilling. It is not just the hours -- it is the hours spent doing mindless drone work. Even partners aren't doing great intellectually fulfilling work in biglaw. You quit because you wonder, "Is this what I am really going to do the rest of my life? This sucks. And if it is what I am going to do, I sure as shit don't want to spend 80 hours a week doing it." |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:17 AM Author: Walnut floppy fanboi the comments are so rich
also I love how the recruiter for biglaw is a sociopath; a sociopath recruiting sociopaths to work for other sociopaths! |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:25 AM Author: dashing drab pit immigrant Top comment:
I don't know how much of this is accurate. I left the practice of law over 20 years ago. I was working in a large firm doing interesting work. However, much of the work I was doing had artificial self-imposed deadlines that required the long-hours, weekends and holiday grinds to get done. There wasn't a pressing a need for a brief to be filed or anything else like that. I don't think anything more than billing was really at the heart of the pace at which we were asked to work.
I left that world to go into business and acquire the work/life balance I sought as a new dad. I didn't want to miss my kids growing up and I don't regret having made the change. I knew it was a choice that would impact my earnings but I wasn't going to be an absent father. I also wasn't going to give my employer less than what they expected.
When I come home from work now - there is no more "Daddy, Daddy, Daddy". The kids are grown and I yearn for the intellectual challenge and ability to make a difference in the lives of people that practicing law can provide. If Barnes is right - I have little future to hope for. I was just admitted in Virginia and will be sitting for the NY bar exam later this month. Maybe I'll land a challenging interesting worthwhile position as an attorney. Maybe not. But I got to be the dad I wanted to be.
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:26 AM Author: Emerald business firm How the fuck do we get a bizzz jerb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364105) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:38 AM Author: stimulating piazza lol this guy's legal career is done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364210) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 9:10 AM Author: Slippery citrine community account Meh I'd hire him for a doc review (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32365450) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 6:47 PM Author: razzle wild shrine The real question is why the fuck he wants to become a lawyer now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369299) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:40 AM Author: Transparent house fortuitous meteor worst part of Biglaw is the long-hours. Almost as bad as the late-nights and the angry-partners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364229) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:29 AM Author: Mewling market yarmulke I imagine this entire article being about selling mobile phone accessories in a mall kiosk instead of biglaw.
"Mobile phone accessory kiosks and the partners in them desperately want to keep people around who are committed and willing to work hard. Your commitment matters. Anything that shows a lack of commitment is discarded like a virus in the most competitive kiosks.
I receive phone calls from mobile phone accessory salesmen daily who have had a good run. They may have made $250,000 in a mobile phone accessory kiosk and then thought it was OK to leave the practice of accessory sales for several months to a year and do something else.
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One guy thought he was really smart because he went to Yale Law School and wanted to come back to a kiosk after teaching for a few years.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Game over. Good bye. HAVE A NICE LIFE!
These people NEVER, NEVER, NEVER are likely to be hired by a kiosk ever again. No matter how well it is spun. It does not, will not, and cannot possibly work. This advice is critical information for mobile phone accessory salesmen. NEVER leave your position. You’ll look like a slacker.
It’s not because the above attorneys are not brilliant and interesting. It is simply because they were not 115% committed to selling mobile phone accessories." |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:33 AM Author: startled black senate mental disorder geez what a law fag. "never never never are *likely* to get hired."
at least go in on your statement you risk averse faggot |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:37 AM Author: stimulating piazza He probably still places a few of them so he can't alienate all quitters. Maybe people with particular niche practices, credentials so good a bottom feeder firm will hire them just to list them on the website, objective 7+ girls, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364205) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:37 AM Author: Transparent house fortuitous meteor Is HB a boomer or a sociopathic Gen Xer?
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:42 AM Author: Red cowardly meetinghouse psychic Don't forget, this guy Is an admitted faggot: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3140644&mc=13&forum_id=2#29898505 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364244) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:44 AM Author: Transparent house fortuitous meteor holy shit. either trolling xo or an IRL clothmo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364261) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 6:50 PM Author: razzle wild shrine I can't believe that isn't flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369309) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 9:10 PM Author: Sinister address headpube ayy lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369919) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:43 AM Author: Arousing station partner I mean, he's not wrong that most people who leave biglaw to go do something else (other than legit gov't legal gigs) will not be welcomed back at their convenience. But (1) most people don't want to come back who leave, they sometimes just don't realize it yet; and (2) if you're actually really good, do something that not everyone can do, and you're well-liked by your practice group, you'll probably be welcomed back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364251) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:52 AM Author: Big snowy telephone cumskin He is right. The exceptions are in house and government, but lol at a firm hiring someone who bailed on law entirely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364307) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 12:54 AM Author: Arousing station partner Gov't? Yes, as long as it's a legit job and not some public defender nonsense. In house? Ehh. It's pretty damn rare for someone to return to the firm world after going in house. Especially at the non-partner level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364323) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:01 AM Author: dashing drab pit immigrant Incidentally, Harrison Barnes has written extensively on that topic too:
Why Going In-house Is Often the Worst Decision a Good Attorney Can Ever Make
Nothing is ever as it seems inside of a law firm, and the myth surrounding not just the parties but the WHOLE ROMANTIC IDEA of going in-house is one of the strangest and most dangerous Jedi mind tricks in the entire legal profession. Going in-house is a CAREER KILLER and something that has destroyed the careers, lives and families of more attorneys than I can count. I speak with them every day and it is depressing and just plain wrong.
http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/900045115/Why-Going-In-house-is-Often-the-Worst-Decision-a-Good-Attorney-Can-Ever-Make/ |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:11 AM Author: Arousing station partner Again, he's over-stating things because that his shtick, but he's not wrong generally speaking. *ESPECIALLY* for litigation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364437) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:56 AM Author: Infuriating frisky locus Most people who go gov. and come back are litigators. Obviously not a lot of in-house litigators.
A stint in gov. is practically a requirement to be a partner in some litigation groups these days, e.g. white collar |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:19 AM Author: Big snowy telephone cumskin In house does not pay recruiters so he is obviously vehemently opposed to it. Anyone inhouse can likely go back to a firm if they want to, but few do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364493) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:09 AM Author: ocher zippy nursing home Typical retard xo2017 ITT. Xo is unable to realize more than principle at a time. It can be equally true that: 1) HB is a self-interested fag with a major conflict of interest, 2) what he says here happens to be 100% correct, and 3) big law sucks and most people might not want to return. Lol @ lots of retards ITT shooting the messenger. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364432) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:32 AM Author: Transparent house fortuitous meteor You are missing the point. XO has no sympathy for the straw man idiot who hasn't realized that it is hard to break back into biglaw after hiatus. XO is offended because it is sociopathic to prevail on someone's fears and insecurities to dissuade them from pursuing something that they subjectively believe (and, in all likelihood, will objectively) will result in greater satisfaction during their brief lives so that you can get a placement commission for sending a few emails. Fuck Harrison Barnes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364562) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:38 AM Author: Emerald business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364576) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:48 AM Author: sexy native water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364608) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 3:45 AM Author: ocher zippy nursing home Not missing the point but I otherwise agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364792) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 8:58 PM Author: Titillating Feces (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369874) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 2:03 AM Author: Infuriating frisky locus HB's argument can be mostly true but it's largely pointless. His argument is impliedly premised on his false first sentence re: people being able to stick around biglaw. The fact of the matter is good, hard working associates are forced out all the time because work dries up and/or biglaw's pyramid structure needs far more juniors than midlevels, and far more midlevels than seniors / service partners. So yea, even if you assume that it's true that once you're out you can't get back in, 90-95% of people are necessarily out by design in 2-8 years no matter what.
It's better than saying "don't quit biglaw, because the sky is blue," but not by that much. |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 2:20 AM Author: ocher zippy nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364665) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:23 PM Author: Orchid charismatic step-uncle's house Are you fucking retarded? He loses all credibility with this: Meanwhile … that partner you did not want to be like is doing important work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32366786) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 8:59 PM Author: hyperactive orchestra pit degenerate lmfao at this deranged pedophile faggot tried to pwn and instead got GAPED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369879) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:43 AM Author: submissive dysfunction lol that last paragraph cracked me up. I honestly feel sorry for this guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364589) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:58 AM Author: Rebellious Kitchen Yeah Lmao contributing to society (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364631) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 3:54 AM Author: mahogany circlehead lodge real Q is who wants to return to biglaw and why
the thought of returning back to biglaw is so unfathomable to me that i assume that it's for the money
and in this respect HB is not entirely off point -- 250K is not much of a nest egg if u want to spend the rest of ur life doing something that pays virtually nothing'
the key is to minimize expenses and build up to 500K or so, which snowballs much more quickly and spins off enough dividends to fund basic living expenses so u never have to contemplate something like returning to biglaw unless u have a *very* compelling reason to do so |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 4:04 AM Author: cordovan karate gas station DAT PRESTIGE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364839) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 5:33 AM Author: chest-beating comical base "You're doing IMPORTANT WORK in the most rent seeking industry that man could possibly come up with and a unique creation of US style capitalism. Blood, sweat, and lots of fountain pen ink built the literal building full of pointless laws we crafted our empire on. Get out, weakling."
Lmao can you believe this nigga? I need to trademark my name or some shit. *Swishes 3 with one hand* |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 9:37 AM Author: orange fear-inspiring tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32365544) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 6:10 AM Author: Multi-colored know-it-all dragon gunner Meanwhile leading his team to the worst record in the NBA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32364942) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 8:36 AM Author: curious puppy does HB know it's not physically possible to give 115%? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32365267) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 10:57 AM Author: frozen personal credit line FAGGOTS like this are why I am NEVER going back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32365911) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:56 AM Author: unholy low-t wrinkle plaza Came here expecting an NBA player's hot take on lolyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32366259) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 6:52 PM Author: sienna quadroon Me 2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369317) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Insanely Creepy Khaki Coffee Pot Den Lol @ anyone involved in this profession. What a massive collection of douchebag shitstain faggots. Omg, "important work"! |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 2:02 PM Author: hairraiser sickened genital piercing NEVER QUIT BIGLAW!
ALSO QUIT BIGLAW AFTER 5 YEARS!
HA HA IM A FAGGOT!!! |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 4:55 PM Author: cordovan karate gas station Step 1: Want business? Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit!
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Date: January 13th, 2017 6:50 PM Author: razzle wild shrine lulz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369311) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 6:55 PM Author: peach persian lots of MAF slackers and quitters itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369330) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 7:23 PM Author: Underhanded Irradiated Forum Voyeur This thread is missing the context that this guy is a huge mass email spammer that sends a weekly rant to god knows how many biglaw associates. I haven't thought about this dude lately because my firm now automatically sweeps his emails into quarantine with our spam filter software. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369473) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 7:46 PM Author: stimulating piazza I had to adjust my firms spam filter so I would receive his emails again. Love his schtick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369588) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 7:58 PM Author: Fragrant jew He should have never left the Warriors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369638) |
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Date: January 13th, 2017 9:04 PM Author: Medicated Appetizing Skinny Woman Why would I listen to some loser who became a recruiter because he couldn't hack it in biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32369899) |
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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:57 AM Author: Emerald business firm Oh he MAF now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3489982&forum_id=2#32371471) |