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Harvard Law will no longer require LSAT for admission

Harvard Law School will no longer require the LSAT for adm...
lavender pit
  03/08/17
A way to let in less qualified minority applicants. Shame.
flushed angry digit ratio
  03/08/17
(the less qualified white man said angrily)
scarlet skinny woman
  10/06/17
...
Passionate aquamarine knife
  03/08/17
what the fuck
ruby crackhouse new version
  03/08/17
It’s all part of broader efforts, Soban said, to make the sc...
Spectacular Church Indirect Expression
  03/08/17
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Iridescent university jap
  03/08/17
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Supple fuchsia blood rage
  03/08/17
She worked at Bain for 2 years after LS. Those are her quali...
Gold elastic band forum
  03/08/17
This is so they can pump in even more URMs.
Hairraiser mauve queen of the night point
  03/08/17
that's always my suspicion with loosening requirements on st...
Diverse orchestra pit
  03/08/17
No - it won't matter how they do on the GRE because US News ...
Supple fuchsia blood rage
  03/08/17
good point, i hadn't considered the US News not counting GRE...
Diverse orchestra pit
  03/08/17
Ding ding ding!
Ocher marvelous friendly grandma
  03/08/17
if schools start moving to accepting gre numbers, how could ...
Snowy corner sound barrier
  03/08/17
if enough schools do this maybe US News will start doing tha...
Diverse orchestra pit
  03/08/17
is there any reason to believe that good applicants will be ...
Snowy corner sound barrier
  03/08/17
right now it opens up a door for them to let in URMs without...
Diverse orchestra pit
  03/08/17
there's basically no way to distinguish yourself on the GRE....
vermilion karate
  03/09/17
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Passionate aquamarine knife
  03/08/17
It all flows from their inability to distinguish equal oppor...
disgusting indian lodge
  03/09/17
164 GRE V = H autoadmit?
Mildly autistic wine pocket flask brethren
  03/08/17
lolno
multi-colored shimmering hall
  03/08/17
fml
Mildly autistic wine pocket flask brethren
  03/08/17
ljl at needign people from "around the world" to g...
thriller lemon stain heaven
  03/08/17
...
curious den internal respiration
  03/08/17
when i was in ls we had an obese chick from south america wh...
thriller lemon stain heaven
  03/08/17
Sounds like a good way to encourage URMs to take the GRE to ...
vibrant mewling hominid
  03/08/17
*US News assumes GRE scores = 120, HLS's ranking plummets*
vibrant mewling hominid
  03/08/17
This would be amazing
carnelian galvanic corn cake
  03/08/17
*peterman given a bone*
lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor
  03/08/17
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ruby crackhouse new version
  03/08/17
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Vigorous cheese-eating ape windowlicker
  03/08/17
tbh it really doesn't do anything for you b/c you need lsat ...
multi-colored shimmering hall
  03/08/17
Harvard or bust. My gpa is 3.95, masters, work experience. ...
lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor
  03/08/17
lolno but you've still failed to understand my post regardle...
multi-colored shimmering hall
  03/08/17
Reread my post. HLS or bust
lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor
  03/08/17
Yes, but if you're a URM you'd omit the LSAT from your H app...
flushed angry digit ratio
  03/08/17
i think law schools get everything that's on your file with ...
multi-colored shimmering hall
  03/08/17
...
Tan institution pozpig
  03/08/17
"Do I stick it up my ass?"
Gold elastic band forum
  03/08/17
...
Medicated burgundy bbw gaming laptop
  03/09/17
Quick response to falling to 3rd in USNWR
Beady-eyed Locus Newt
  03/08/17
they might fall out of top 3 if no one else follows this &qu...
ruby crackhouse new version
  03/08/17
They announced it pretty easily, which seems to me like a si...
lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor
  03/08/17
Why? LSAT average will go up.
Supple fuchsia blood rage
  03/08/17
there's a chance USNWR docks them points when they inevitabl...
ruby crackhouse new version
  03/08/17
Ljl universities are long done here
exciting chartreuse native
  03/08/17
how would rankings work
bearded aphrodisiac station dingle berry
  03/08/17
They already admit URMs in the 150s -- a score that is avera...
flushed angry digit ratio
  03/08/17
Now they can launder those scores.
Exhilarant gay wizard
  03/08/17
"Unfortunately (hehe), the ABA and US News have no form...
vibrant mewling hominid
  03/09/17
would HLS have to report their matriculants LSAT scores even...
big-titted coldplay fan
  03/08/17
I refuse to believe this. Link?
bipolar fragrant roast beef garrison
  03/08/17
Can't document it, but my undergrad gave prospective law stu...
Violet rehab pistol
  03/09/17
lmao for non-URM those stats aren't a guarantee for t50
ruby crackhouse new version
  03/09/17
They say that the GRE has been proven to be as good a predic...
big-titted coldplay fan
  03/08/17
this is false for verbal https://www.ets.org/s/gre/pdf/gr...
multi-colored shimmering hall
  03/08/17
lol so 99th percentile of GRE is 169 and 170, whereas 99th p...
big-titted coldplay fan
  03/08/17
edit: misread
multi-colored shimmering hall
  03/08/17
explain
big-titted coldplay fan
  03/08/17
it would be irresponsible and naive to believe this without ...
Wonderful stag film quadroon
  03/09/17
JFC the new GRE is on scale from 130-170? That means there i...
big-titted coldplay fan
  03/08/17
18000
lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor
  03/08/17
MAF about DAT 172 knocking them down to #3.
Gold elastic band forum
  03/08/17
...
Harsh lilac menage fanboi
  03/08/17
Harvard Raw stirr numbah one!!
startled pearl roommate
  03/08/17
I'm an HLS grad that had a 3.6 gpa and 175 lsat. The lsat wa...
Light international law enforcement agency property
  03/08/17
fuck lol my UG GPA was going to end up around the 3.6 range ...
ruby crackhouse new version
  03/09/17
seems like they will still have a need for higher LSAT score...
lavender pit
  03/09/17
I think I can hit 177, which would put me at around 50-50 ac...
ruby crackhouse new version
  03/09/17
accoridng to this arizona law study, the GRE is BETTER at pr...
big-titted coldplay fan
  03/08/17
damn the T14 and law admissions both die in 36 hours
Electric yapping dilemma useless brakes
  03/08/17
Trump's transformation of America into an anti intellectual ...
histrionic puce abode rigor
  03/08/17
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Pontificating Dull Stage
  03/09/17
Thanks
hot trailer park laser beams
  03/09/17
...
Pontificating Dull Stage
  03/09/17
Interesting that Harvard blinked first here. My (admitted...
sienna coffee pot
  03/09/17
Only 15 Blacks score 168+ each year. Even if HLS is 10% Blac...
Gold elastic band forum
  03/09/17
Let's suppose that's true. How much does that help Harvar...
sienna coffee pot
  03/09/17
HLS dominates the race for the best African-American applica...
Avocado Floppy Chapel
  03/09/17
perhaps, but it's probably safe to say that they get a sizab...
sienna coffee pot
  03/09/17
Maybe the thought of coming in 3d, after Stanford, is existe...
Gold elastic band forum
  03/09/17
Then they should cut their class size. They've taken the ...
sienna coffee pot
  03/09/17
HLS class size = $$$$$$ if anything, perhaps they are pre...
claret excitant lodge
  03/09/17
Special admits like URMs are not always included in those st...
Painfully honest indigo pervert whorehouse
  03/09/17
isn't that the reason people look at 75th/25th -- so that sc...
Avocado Floppy Chapel
  03/09/17
The median is still the median, and it's the number that cou...
Gold elastic band forum
  03/09/17
don't you mean mean, not median? you can game median easily...
Wonderful stag film quadroon
  03/09/17
The median is determined by the number of elements in a set,...
Gold elastic band forum
  03/09/17
maybe, but i would say after is {?, ?, 162, 172, 173, 174, ...
Wonderful stag film quadroon
  10/06/17
while law school is a great option for a high lsat black, th...
Wonderful stag film quadroon
  03/09/17
Jfc
heady bespoke lay mad cow disease
  03/09/17
It's to increase applications in general. Since 2011, apps a...
Painfully honest indigo pervert whorehouse
  03/09/17
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Irradiated fighting mad-dog skullcap set
  03/09/17
yeah, that makes sense it's also a horrible reason. law sc...
Wonderful stag film quadroon
  03/09/17
Acceptance rate is a trash metric. No one should care how...
vibrant mewling hominid
  03/09/17
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Pontificating Dull Stage
  03/10/17
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Pontificating Dull Stage
  09/29/17
so much for the great equalizer. meritocracy really is dead...
Spectacular Church Indirect Expression
  09/29/17
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Pontificating Dull Stage
  10/06/17


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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:42 PM
Author: lavender pit

Harvard Law School will no longer require the LSAT for admission

By Susan Svrluga March 8 at 7:20 PM

A bicyclist walks by Langdell Hall, the HarvardLaw Library, on the campus of the Harvard Law School in Cambridge, Mass., in 2005. (Charles Krupa/AP)

For 70 years, the LSAT has been a rite of passage to legal education, a test designed to gauge students’ ability to learn the law.

But its dominance could change. Beginning this fall, Harvard Law School will allow applicants to submit their scores from either the Graduate Record Examination or the Law School Admissions Test.

The dramatic change in admissions, a pilot program at Harvard, is part of a broader strategy at the school to expand access. Because many students consider graduate school as well as law school, and because the GRE is offered often and in many places around the world, the decision could make it easier and less expensive for people to apply, school officials said.

Harvard’s decision was announced just days before a council of the American Bar Association (ABA), which accredits the nation’s law schools, considers changing its standards to allow tests other than the LSAT.

Last year, the University of Arizona College of Law became the first law school in the country to allow applicants to submit GRE scores rather than LSAT scores. Two other schools followed. But for Harvard, one of the best law schools in the world, to do so could upend the admissions process for legal education.

“Will other schools follow? Probably,” said Kyle McEntee, executive director of Law School Transparency. He thinks many law schools have already been considering this change “because schools across the board have been struggling with applications – not only applications, but the quality of applicants.”

The other schools “have come under criticism for basically just trying to expand their consumer base,” by not requiring the LSAT, McEntee said. “That criticism is clearly not going to apply to Harvard.”

Nationally, he said, law schools have struggled in recent years in the wake of the great recession as people learned job prospects were threatened. “Schools are trying to find new ways to find people.”

By the end of last week there were more than 42,000 applicants for the 2017–2018 academic year, a decrease of 1.5 percent from the year before, according to the Law School Admission Council.

That is less than half the number who applied in 2004.

At Harvard, by contrast, they have seen a 5 percent increase in applicant volume both last year and this year, said Jessica Soban, associate dean for admissions and strategic initiatives.

“Regardless of the number of applicants we have, this initiative is about making sure the most qualified candidates continue to consider us,” she said. “We have been out pretty publicly with a message that some of the cutting-edge legal issues rely on an understanding of science and techonology and engineering problems; these are the questions that require not only great legal training but the technical underpinnings really do help to understand the issues.” She said the school is now “up to double digits” in people coming with science and technical backgrounds, and many of them may have initially considered other graduate degrees.

Their current first-year class is 17 percent international students, she said, so broader access to the GRE was a significant factor.

A study by the school examined the GRE scores of current and former students who took both the GRE and the LSAT, and determined that the GRE is an equally valid predictor of first-year grades.

“Harvard Law School is continually working to eliminate barriers as we search for the most talented candidates for law and leadership,” Dean Martha Minow said in a statement. “For many students, preparing for and taking both the GRE and the LSAT is unaffordable.

“All students benefit when we can diversify our community in terms of academic background, country of origin, and financial circumstances. Also, given the promise of the revolutions in biology, computer science, and engineering, law needs students with science, technology, engineering and math backgrounds. For these students, international students, multidisciplinary scholars, and joint-degree students, the GRE is a familiar and accessible test, and using it is a great way to reach candidates not only for law school, but for tackling the issues and opportunities society will be facing.”

It’s all part of broader efforts, Soban said, to make the school more accesible. Some of the changes include using Skype for interviews, wiping out the requirement of a deposit for accepted students, and beginning a deferred-admissions pilot program to encourage applications from juniors at Harvard College who commit to two years of work experience before law school.

The council of the Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar, an agency of the ABA, has a planned meeting from Thursday through Saturday in California at which the question of whether the LSAT is fundamental will be considered.

Barry Currier, managing director, ABA Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar, said in a statement Wednesday afternoon, “The Council of the Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar will consider changes to Standard 503 dealing with admission tests at its meeting this weekend and whether to put these changes out for notice and comment. For that reason, at this point we will defer for now any comment on any individual law school’s proposal or pilot program on testing of prospective students.”

Minow said in a statement, “We look forward to working with the American Bar Association on finding the most effective ways to encourage the best students to enter the legal profession.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/03/08/harvard-law-school-will-no-longer-require-the-lsat-for-admission/?utm_term=.84a1500df17c



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785653)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:33 PM
Author: flushed angry digit ratio

A way to let in less qualified minority applicants. Shame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786029)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: scarlet skinny woman

(the less qualified white man said angrily)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#34383655)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:43 PM
Author: Passionate aquamarine knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785658)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:43 PM
Author: ruby crackhouse new version

what the fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785659)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:44 PM
Author: Spectacular Church Indirect Expression

It’s all part of broader efforts, Soban said, to make the school more accessible= ie we need more blacks and dont want to take a rankings hit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785666)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:49 PM
Author: Iridescent university jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785696)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:56 PM
Author: Supple fuchsia blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785742)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:50 PM
Author: Gold elastic band forum

She worked at Bain for 2 years after LS. Those are her qualifications.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786499)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:44 PM
Author: Hairraiser mauve queen of the night point

This is so they can pump in even more URMs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785669)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:46 PM
Author: Diverse orchestra pit

that's always my suspicion with loosening requirements on standardized tests but we'll have to see what their standards are for GRE scores

could be they're trying to lower standards, could be they're putting on a show of being more accessible to URMs but not actually making it easier except for the tiny fraction of them who are smart enough to dominate the GRE (and probably also the LSAT if they took it) but can't be bothered to take the LSAT for whatever reason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785682)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:57 PM
Author: Supple fuchsia blood rage

No - it won't matter how they do on the GRE because US News won't care about GRE scores and Harvard just won't tell anyone the GRE standards. It's just a way to bring in more URMs without denting their LSAT numbers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785747)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:05 PM
Author: Diverse orchestra pit

good point, i hadn't considered the US News not counting GREs angle but taking that into account that does seem like it's their plan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785810)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:28 PM
Author: Ocher marvelous friendly grandma

Ding ding ding!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786000)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:30 PM
Author: Snowy corner sound barrier

if schools start moving to accepting gre numbers, how could usnews honestly not include these?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786013)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:32 PM
Author: Diverse orchestra pit

if enough schools do this maybe US News will start doing that and then Harvard will have to switch to a different scheme to get the underqualified URMs in without the rankings hit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786021)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:34 PM
Author: Snowy corner sound barrier

is there any reason to believe that good applicants will be taking the GRE? why are we automatically assuming the GRE-takers will only be retard URMs? perhaps it's a good assumption; perhaps not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786033)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:36 PM
Author: Diverse orchestra pit

right now it opens up a door for them to let in URMs without hurting the metrics US News cares about. it's not that GRE takers will only be the URMs, it's that they can let in ones who don't do that well on the GRE without consequences and they would very much like to get more URMs in there in any way possible which is consistent with maintaining their ranking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786047)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: vermilion karate

there's basically no way to distinguish yourself on the GRE. Top score represents 99th percentile so it's essentially like one score for 170-180 on the LSAT. It stands to reason that no one aside from URMs or other non-merit based admits could be admitted with just a GRE score

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32792526)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:55 PM
Author: Passionate aquamarine knife



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Date: March 9th, 2017 9:53 AM
Author: disgusting indian lodge

It all flows from their inability to distinguish equal opportunity from equal outcomes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789464)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:45 PM
Author: Mildly autistic wine pocket flask brethren

164 GRE V = H autoadmit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785673)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:46 PM
Author: multi-colored shimmering hall

lolno

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785679)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:53 PM
Author: Mildly autistic wine pocket flask brethren

fml

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785719)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:46 PM
Author: thriller lemon stain heaven

ljl at needign people from "around the world" to go to a us law school. why do faux-elites hate the us so much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785678)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:05 PM
Author: curious den internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785802)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:35 PM
Author: thriller lemon stain heaven

when i was in ls we had an obese chick from south america who was clearly poor and either on scholly or gov loans or some shit and you could tell even the lib profs were like "wtf is this bitch doing here?!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786041)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:46 PM
Author: vibrant mewling hominid

Sounds like a good way to encourage URMs to take the GRE to get those bad LSAT scores off the US News books.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785685)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:48 PM
Author: vibrant mewling hominid

*US News assumes GRE scores = 120, HLS's ranking plummets*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785695)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:59 PM
Author: carnelian galvanic corn cake

This would be amazing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785758)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:53 PM
Author: lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor

*peterman given a bone*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785715)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:55 PM
Author: ruby crackhouse new version



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785728)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:55 PM
Author: Vigorous cheese-eating ape windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785734)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:02 PM
Author: multi-colored shimmering hall

tbh it really doesn't do anything for you b/c you need lsat for all other schools and you're not going to apply just to harvard. would just force you to study for an entirely separate test in addition to lsat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785777)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:04 PM
Author: lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor

Harvard or bust. My gpa is 3.95, masters, work experience.

I'm a fucking shoe in HLS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785794)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:05 PM
Author: multi-colored shimmering hall

lolno but you've still failed to understand my post regardless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785812)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:08 PM
Author: lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor

Reread my post. HLS or bust

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785829)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:33 PM
Author: flushed angry digit ratio

Yes, but if you're a URM you'd omit the LSAT from your H app.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786032)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:37 PM
Author: multi-colored shimmering hall

i think law schools get everything that's on your file with lsac, including lsat, since lsac is also the application platform, no? don't think you can withhold lsat scores

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786048)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 10:11 PM
Author: Tan institution pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786623)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:48 PM
Author: Gold elastic band forum

"Do I stick it up my ass?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786481)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: Medicated burgundy bbw gaming laptop



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:55 PM
Author: Beady-eyed Locus Newt

Quick response to falling to 3rd in USNWR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785737)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:57 PM
Author: ruby crackhouse new version

they might fall out of top 3 if no one else follows this "trend" (started by an actual TTT, no less)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785746)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:58 PM
Author: lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor

They announced it pretty easily, which seems to me like a sign hey expect other top schools to follow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785756)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:04 PM
Author: Supple fuchsia blood rage

Why? LSAT average will go up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785798)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:07 PM
Author: ruby crackhouse new version

there's a chance USNWR docks them points when they inevitably don't publish GRE scores during their "trial period" where they "test the waters"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785824)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 7:57 PM
Author: exciting chartreuse native

Ljl universities are long done here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32785744)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:33 PM
Author: bearded aphrodisiac station dingle berry

how would rankings work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786030)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 8:35 PM
Author: flushed angry digit ratio

They already admit URMs in the 150s -- a score that is average -- on the LSAT on a regular basis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786039)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:46 PM
Author: Exhilarant gay wizard

Now they can launder those scores.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786467)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 2:40 PM
Author: vibrant mewling hominid

"Unfortunately (hehe), the ABA and US News have no formal system for reporting GRE scores."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791521)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:47 PM
Author: big-titted coldplay fan

would HLS have to report their matriculants LSAT scores even if those students were admitted on the basis of GRE? what kind of student would just take GRE without LSAT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786478)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 10:10 PM
Author: bipolar fragrant roast beef garrison

I refuse to believe this. Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786615)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:35 PM
Author: Violet rehab pistol

Can't document it, but my undergrad gave prospective law students anonymized LS admissions data. Two URM lsat/gpa HLS admit data points I will never forget are 3.1/159 and 3.5/155.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791024)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:38 PM
Author: ruby crackhouse new version

lmao

for non-URM those stats aren't a guarantee for t50

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791047)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:44 PM
Author: big-titted coldplay fan

They say that the GRE has been proven to be as good a predictor of law school grades as LSAT -- do you actually believe they have data that proves this? The GRE verbal is insanely easy compared to the LSAT. An 800 verbal is like a 165+ LSAT. There's no room for distinguishing the top.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786456)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:48 PM
Author: multi-colored shimmering hall

this is false for verbal

https://www.ets.org/s/gre/pdf/gre_guide_table1a.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786485)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:52 PM
Author: big-titted coldplay fan

lol so 99th percentile of GRE is 169 and 170, whereas 99th percentile of lsat is 172-180. so, even if we assume comparable average ability of GRE vs. LSAT takers, the GRE necessarily compresses important distinction among the high end -- the very distinctions that would impact HLS's ranking in US news.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786518)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:54 PM
Author: multi-colored shimmering hall

edit: misread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786529)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 10:08 PM
Author: big-titted coldplay fan

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786600)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:52 PM
Author: Wonderful stag film quadroon

it would be irresponsible and naive to believe this without being able to analyze the source data

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791192)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:46 PM
Author: big-titted coldplay fan

JFC the new GRE is on scale from 130-170? That means there is far less distinction between different ability levels. WHY the hell would HLS do this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786471)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:53 PM
Author: lime abusive box office fortuitous meteor

18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786524)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:47 PM
Author: Gold elastic band forum

MAF about DAT 172 knocking them down to #3.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786475)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:52 PM
Author: Harsh lilac menage fanboi



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786513)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:52 PM
Author: startled pearl roommate

Harvard Raw stirr numbah one!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786508)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 9:58 PM
Author: Light international law enforcement agency property

I'm an HLS grad that had a 3.6 gpa and 175 lsat. The lsat was key to helping me prove I'm smart enough despite my sps gpa. THANK GOD THE LIBS WAITED TILL AFTER I GOT IN TO LOSE THEIR MINDS LOL

Holy shit HLS first years already give dumb enough answers to prof questions as it is. Listening to some dumb gre taker answer legreg hypos is going feel like water boarding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786544)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 9:52 AM
Author: ruby crackhouse new version

fuck lol my UG GPA was going to end up around the 3.6 range and I was going to try to shoot the moon for HLS

guess it's Columbia for me now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789454)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 10:42 AM
Author: lavender pit

seems like they will still have a need for higher LSAT scores to fill out their LSAT medians, 25 and 75 percentile. i suppose those splitters could be replaced in part with high GPA people that have decent GREs but i don't think it would totally eliminate the need for high LSATs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789768)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 10:46 AM
Author: ruby crackhouse new version

I think I can hit 177, which would put me at around 50-50 according to LSN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789790)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 10:01 PM
Author: big-titted coldplay fan

accoridng to this arizona law study, the GRE is BETTER at predicting performance than lsat. interestingly, it's the Quant portion that seems to be doing the work.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/gre_validitystudy_arizona.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786553)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 10:09 PM
Author: Electric yapping dilemma useless brakes

damn the T14 and law admissions both die in 36 hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786606)



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Date: March 8th, 2017 10:13 PM
Author: histrionic puce abode rigor

Trump's transformation of America into an anti intellectual culture is already complete and only took 1.5 months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32786642)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 9:08 AM
Author: Pontificating Dull Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789249)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 9:10 AM
Author: hot trailer park laser beams

Thanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789258)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 9:49 AM
Author: Pontificating Dull Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789435)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 10:49 AM
Author: sienna coffee pot

Interesting that Harvard blinked first here.

My (admittedly dated) understanding was that HYS is able to get the lion's share of URM admits with high LSATs/GPAs.

And let's be honest, Harvard given its size has zero chance of being ranked #1. Everyone knows YLS is tops. Harvard basically fights it out every year for the #2 spot with Stanford. So what does it have to gain by laundering minorities from a rankings standpoint? Unless the school wants to skew even more liberal and become even more heavily minority/SJW-driven without taking a CCN-like ranking hit?

I personally would have thought a school like Penn or Duke or Cornell would have blinked first here. Seems like schools on that level have more of an incentive to launder minorities in order to hit that CCN level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789815)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 10:53 AM
Author: Gold elastic band forum

Only 15 Blacks score 168+ each year. Even if HLS is 10% Black, that alone is 60 students. YLS and SLS each need 20 Blacks, if they're likewise aiming for 10%.

So YHS together need 100 Blacks, yet only 15 score 168+ each year.

There really is a deficit, and URMs do hurt their LSAT median.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789828)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 10:54 AM
Author: sienna coffee pot

Let's suppose that's true.

How much does that help Harvard?

They're not overtaking Yale given the disparity in class size. Why do this just to possibly lock down #2 vs #3, especially when SLS can just go out and do the same thing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32789836)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:41 PM
Author: Avocado Floppy Chapel

HLS dominates the race for the best African-American applicants and I wonder if this move isn't geared to keeping that preeminent position somehow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791084)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: sienna coffee pot

perhaps, but it's probably safe to say that they get a sizable portion of the top 50 black applicants nationwide every year.

i doubt they are losing many to CCN, and the ones who take SLS probably just prefer it to H. And YLS is #1.

So what's the boost here? 5 more quality black admits?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791142)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:53 PM
Author: Gold elastic band forum

Maybe the thought of coming in 3d, after Stanford, is existentially unbearable to Harvard. SLS truly is flame. They have, what, two famous alumni, Rehnquist and O'Connor, and both were valedictorians.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791203)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:57 PM
Author: sienna coffee pot

Then they should cut their class size.

They've taken the position that they want to be big, which gives them a huge amount of influence in the legal world because they get what, 60% of the HYS students?

The tradeoff is they have a bit lower selectivity and probably lose a few tippy top students who go to Yale.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791232)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 9:51 PM
Author: claret excitant lodge

HLS class size = $$$$$$

if anything, perhaps they are preparing to increase the class size!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32794527)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:46 PM
Author: Painfully honest indigo pervert whorehouse

Special admits like URMs are not always included in those stats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791124)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:49 PM
Author: Avocado Floppy Chapel

isn't that the reason people look at 75th/25th -- so that schools can admit 24% of anyone they want without hurting their stats?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791147)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:51 PM
Author: Gold elastic band forum

The median is still the median, and it's the number that counts,

Maybe if Harvard cut one-third of its class, its median would rise to 175.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791172)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:58 PM
Author: Wonderful stag film quadroon

don't you mean mean, not median? you can game median easily and not worry about the left tail

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791241)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 2:01 PM
Author: Gold elastic band forum

The median is determined by the number of elements in a set, right?

Before:

{160, 161, 162, 172, 173, 174, 175}

After:

{173, 174, 175}

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791264)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 1:06 PM
Author: Wonderful stag film quadroon

maybe, but i would say after is

{?, ?, 162, 172, 173, 174, 175}

my way is more defensible, but your way is what they'll do because that's the point-to be deceptive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#34381507)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:57 PM
Author: Wonderful stag film quadroon

while law school is a great option for a high lsat black, there will be even better options for most of them.

and some of them will want to stay close to home, presumably, even if they go to law school

what % of black do you have to be to be considered black for these purposes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791228)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 11:59 AM
Author: heady bespoke lay mad cow disease

Jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32790298)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: Painfully honest indigo pervert whorehouse

It's to increase applications in general. Since 2011, apps are down at like all but 3 law schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791112)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 2:13 PM
Author: Irradiated fighting mad-dog skullcap set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791344)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 2:53 PM
Author: Wonderful stag film quadroon

yeah, that makes sense

it's also a horrible reason.

law school is for people who want to be attorneys, not people looking for something to do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32791653)



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Date: March 9th, 2017 9:15 PM
Author: vibrant mewling hominid

Acceptance rate is a trash metric.

No one should care how many long-shot applications get tossed in the trash after Harvard processes the application fee.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32794301)



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Date: March 10th, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: Pontificating Dull Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#32797811)



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Date: September 29th, 2017 4:40 PM
Author: Pontificating Dull Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#34327054)



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Date: September 29th, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: Spectacular Church Indirect Expression

so much for the great equalizer. meritocracy really is dead in America

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#34327064)



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Date: October 6th, 2017 12:23 PM
Author: Pontificating Dull Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3547482&forum_id=2#34381254)