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How the HELL does somebody with an under 160 LSAT read law school cases?
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:12 PM Author: jade hairraiser ticket booth serious question. how can they possibly understand legal argumentation? and how the hell can that person compete against their peers in T6 if that's where they choose to go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822374) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:13 PM Author: cyan histrionic principal's office They read them with moving lips. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822386) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:14 PM Author: vermilion titillating idea he suggested resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822399) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:16 PM Author: bateful olive degenerate temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822410) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:20 PM Author: Irradiated Rusted Chad Brethren sir, you have caused me to shart a little (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822459) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 10:48 PM Author: Outnumbered yapping tattoo lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32823977) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:04 AM Author: turquoise vigorous whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825145) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:38 AM Author: floppy half-breed Underrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826494) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: cerebral library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32827346) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:25 PM Author: razzle-dazzle mad cow disease halford I think they can "read" cases, but they don't understand them. I'm a pros bro, and you see it all the time with crim defense shitlawyers. They'll quote a case that says, "Even if the trial court concluding X constituted error, it wasn't plain error," and argue that the case holds that concluding X constitutes error. It's not even a matter of untangling a complex web of reasoning across multiple cases like law school requires; they can't even read and understand a single sentence in a single case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822511) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:28 PM Author: jade hairraiser ticket booth do they understand it when you point it out to them? maybe they just were sloppy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822555) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:29 PM Author: razzle-dazzle mad cow disease halford No. They almost always persist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822565) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:31 PM Author: mauve indirect expression Yeah, that part is annoying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822579) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:30 PM Author: mauve indirect expression lol i love those guys. the judge basically helps them to make their argument cognizable and then the judge does what he wants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822576) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:34 PM Author: razzle-dazzle mad cow disease halford Yes lol. It really is an unspoken rule of criminal law that you get the same liberal construction as pro se litigants if you're represented by a shitlawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822610) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:34 PM Author: mauve indirect expression lol 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822612) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:20 AM Author: self-centered base knife is there a list of shitlawyers vs. non-shit crimdefense bros? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825243) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:50 AM Author: Orange Wonderful Garrison Mad-dog Skullcap It's not that hard. They're edited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825363) |
Date: March 13th, 2017 7:13 PM Author: glassy razzmatazz multi-billionaire newt (Guy with a 161 lsat) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822381) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:16 PM Author: Diverse locale milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822411) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:21 PM Author: Irradiated Rusted Chad Brethren (guy not good at DAT MAFF)
hey, it's better than a 160!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: March 14th, 2017 12:37 AM Author: Glittery bisexual selfie u realize a 161 is the average LSAT score at like T15 USNWR UGs, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32824880) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:44 AM Author: galvanic maize rehab voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825354) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:11 AM Author: Arousing bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826327) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:15 PM Author: comical impressive abode I think this is why a lot of those T6 schools have no class rankings and only distinguish between the top 10% of the class (Coif, Law Review) and everyone else.
It's also why schools like Columbia came up with some system to show baseline academic achievement like the Harlan Fiske Stone scholar - you hit a certain GPA in one semester (even if you take super easy curved classes with a ton of dumbs) you can have some "honors" credential tacked to your resume.
It's basically so the AA Admits and the legacies don't get embarrassed. |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:03 AM Author: beady-eyed puppy corner Yes, you can list Stone or Kent as Honors without disclosing more, which gives the false impression that they're cum/magna, even though they apply only to single academic years.
You see this shit all over biglaw associate profiles. |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:15 PM Author: Motley dark codepig sex offender lol @ going to a T6 with a sub 160 LSAT score.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822407) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:16 PM Author: comical impressive abode (white dood) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822409) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 6:30 AM Author: hateful adventurous home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825827) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:17 PM Author: dull idiot 158 here. Ended up at V25, now inhouse. you mad? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822421) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:18 PM Author: comical impressive abode I do think there are some people that just don't "get" the LSAT but who "get" how law school works and how the game is played at law firms.
I also think these people make some of the "best" (for lack of a better term) biglaw associates. |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:00 AM Author: contagious apoplectic office boiling water true, but they also dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825115) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:11 AM Author: comical impressive abode I actually think being of high raw intelligence hurts you in biglaw, unless you get into a niche practice group like tax and have the sort of brain that loves minutiae and is OK being someone's bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826325) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:56 AM Author: Jet-lagged Doctorate Sanctuary agree
loads of ADHDmos who blew away the LSAT flame out of big law early because (a) they can't stomach monotony and patternless minutiae (e.g., signature pages) and/or (b) have little opportunity as a junior to use higher-level ability/creativity
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:27 PM Author: jade hairraiser ticket booth i'm not mad, i'm genuinely curious. what law school did you go to? what was your rank in law school? below median? what did you find tough about the LSAT? how did those difficulties compare to difficulties in law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822536) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:28 PM Author: Autistic cruise ship legal warrant jfc doobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822551) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:30 PM Author: dull idiot went to T50, ended up ranked top 33%. i worked for a few years after college before going to law school, and took a vacation day to take the LSAT. i remember being very stressed out that week from work, which could have affected my test performance. i did minimal self prep. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822572) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:31 PM Author: Autistic cruise ship legal warrant That doesn't really count. You could have easily been in the mid-160s if you would have studied at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822578) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:36 PM Author: crusty thriller market kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822635) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:39 PM Author: dull idiot i did a couple of practice tests (not timed), and did some problems in the Logic Games Bible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822658) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:01 AM Author: contagious apoplectic office boiling water failure to prepare for the lsat is indicative of being a stupid fuck no offense your biglaw success suggests you aren't, but not taking the lsat seriously is a high hurdle to get over |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:22 AM Author: dull idiot Wow, harsh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825248) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 6:34 AM Author: Painfully honest coffee pot shrine Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825830) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 6:33 AM Author: hateful adventurous home JFC. This thread is outting you as an aspie striver bitch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825829) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 7:37 PM Author: Abnormal pocket flask school lol at reading cases having anything to do with succeeding in law school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32822641) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 10:14 PM Author: Grizzly Anal Property Patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32823670) |
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Date: March 13th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: fragrant trailer park love of her life U mad at my recitation of pennoyer v Neff on my civ pro exam bruh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32823967) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:06 AM Author: beady-eyed puppy corner Plenty of 160-164 types on law review and/or at the top of the class... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825156) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:20 AM Author: comical impressive abode I heard a rumor that one of the doods in my class who copped a SCOTUS clerkship got a 158. White dood, too. Christian, had a family. So no AA at all there.
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Date: March 14th, 2017 1:55 AM Author: honey-headed location I was between 158 and 164 in practice and actual. Never higher. Went t14. Top of class. Biglaw. Dct. Coa clerkships. Never consider myself a genius or anything but I certainly never had problem reading the law and have had good to stellar reviews everywhere along the way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825375) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 2:35 AM Author: jade hairraiser ticket booth what were your issues with the LSAT? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825499) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 12:20 PM Author: honey-headed location Logic games, basically. But I seriously never varied that much. My intellectual confidence actually took a hit after getting my score, as can be expected by sentiment here. Then received first round of grades with multiple book awards and realized some of it is just bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32827128) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 2:00 AM Author: Slate Forum Clown wtf is a "T6" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825383) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 2:04 AM Author: Lake curious institution how does someone with a 160 "choose to go" to a T6? Have the standards fallen THAT badly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825393) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 2:13 AM Author: Bipolar mental disorder I have no legal training whatsoever and find reading cases fairly easy. I particularly enjoy reading newly filed complaints, many of which are linked on a site I frequent. The only cases that give me any trouble are those of a technical nature, such as patent disputes. I could read those ten times and still have no idea what they're about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825422) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 7:41 AM Author: Soul-stirring Primrose Lay Blood Rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825901) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 8:48 AM Author: Talented high-end senate Reading cases = reading the court's opinion, not the complaint. I'm sure you wouldn't have much trouble with them because you're a smart poaster dude but you'd have to learn some jargon and a little bit about procedure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826003) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 9:55 AM Author: mauve indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826235) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:41 AM Author: Vibrant Flushed Jew Range you should just go to law school already man. just fucking take the lsat already. you seem like the kind of smart bro who might just crush it, pull a 175 and go t14. even if not, go to the local shit school and XO will walk you through crushing it there. law school isn't for everyone, especially in your 30s, but I think it is the best option for you. plus I look forward to your law school poasting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826518) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 2:22 AM Author: pungent telephone business firm Better question is why does anyone with an LSAT over 160 think they need to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825453) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 2:33 AM Author: Slate Forum Clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825492) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 3:34 AM Author: Sexy psychic Since I'll presume I'm the only actual lawyer who posts here: T6 lawyers make the SHITTIEST litigators. The level of autism required to score above a 175 translates terribly to any relevant litigation skills, particularly depositions or voir dire - which require in person people skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825665) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 3:51 AM Author: Crimson locus gay wizard I used to think this was jealous shitboomer flame, but the anecdotes from my own experience are starting to pile up and become data.
Of course, anyone who scores <160 on the LSAT is still a dumb fuck ("street smart" at best), but this shit isn't rocket science. Being substantially smarter than your judge isn't necessary -- what you need, in fact, is a solid understanding of how your judge thinks, which suggests you should just be a little smarter than him -- and being substantially smarter can in fact hurt if its a state-court judge and he decides he hates you because you're fancy and rich and shit. |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 5:56 AM Author: mauve indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825799) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 11:07 AM Author: Jet-lagged Doctorate Sanctuary lol this happened a lot in texas when the energy bankruptcies first started hitting a couple of years ago...loads of fancy new york lawyers getting benchslapped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826688) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 8:52 AM Author: Talented high-end senate One thing I'm starting to realize is that it's pretty rare for a really well done brief to make a difference in a case - more often than not the law is pretty clear and it doesn't matter. Meanwhile most of the job is more about staying on top of everything, grinding, being a good negotiator, etc. The place legal reasoning skills arguably does make a difference is in being able to evaluate your own odds rather than in making some brilliant argument to the judge.
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:10 AM Author: Arousing bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826319) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 7:40 AM Author: Charismatic jap boltzmann 155 checking in. T14 Magna/LR --> D. Ct. --> COA --> V5. You mad bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32825899) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 8:52 AM Author: flesh hideous faggot firefighter generalized bond Dear lord we have been openly claiming sub 160 scores ljl o what a "golden era" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826015) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:37 AM Author: Vibrant Flushed Jew Range CR. I remember when we used to lol at sub-170 poasters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826486) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 12:24 PM Author: beady-eyed puppy corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32827153) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 9:04 AM Author: Electric navy tanning salon did the people who got below 160 itt not study at all and take the test drunk?? or are you guys black? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826049) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 9:41 AM Author: Massive Fiercely-loyal Ratface Ape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826180) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:09 AM Author: Arousing bawdyhouse Lol at all the self-important autists in here thinking they're some kind of special snowflakes with a valuable skill that others could only dream about possessing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826313) |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 10:45 AM Author: Hot Step-uncle's House Skinny Woman Um, because you don't have to be smart to be a lawyer.
173 scorer here. Have never used a single part of my brain above the 160 level in my legal career. |
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Date: March 14th, 2017 11:09 AM Author: Autistic cruise ship legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3552204&forum_id=2#32826702) |