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Judge approves search warrants vs. everyone who searched Google for a guy's name

lawyers, explain how this is constitutional under the 4th am...
wine comical senate
  03/17/17
Lawyer here: the 4th amendment is just some words on a piece...
Motley Stain Garrison
  03/17/17
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  03/17/17
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  03/17/17
All law is just some words on paper. It's not a fact that n...
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  03/17/17
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appetizing maroon regret
  03/17/17
Oh shit u got me.
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  03/17/17
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spruce forum
  03/17/17
Not in Edina!
adventurous private investor
  03/17/17
FTGE Really does seem like it might be time to take some ...
Unhinged set
  03/17/17
incognito mode not good enough?
Ultramarine international law enforcement agency
  03/17/17
how would it help defend against a police subpoena of Google...
Tan kink-friendly ceo whorehouse
  03/17/17
Yep i am connected through a vpn always
arousing macaca lay
  03/17/17
VPNs are only worth a damn if: -you're on a connection th...
Unhinged set
  03/17/17
CIA/NSA are not turning me in for downloading music.
Medicated Dopamine
  03/17/17
can you imagine a future where shitlibs/cuckservatives claw ...
Tan kink-friendly ceo whorehouse
  03/17/17
I agree, that's pretty much the point of my second bullet
Unhinged set
  03/17/17
this reminds me of when they subpoenaed information about so...
Lake really tough guy hairy legs
  03/17/17
V5 lawyer here. This seems legitimate to me. Why would you b...
Umber Shaky Prole Pocket Flask
  03/17/17
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Date: March 17th, 2017 9:55 PM
Author: wine comical senate

lawyers, explain how this is constitutional under the 4th amendment.

Police got search warrant for everyone who Googled Edina resident's name

A search warrant issued to Edina police to collect information on anyone who used certain search terms on Google is raising concerns about constitutional violations.

Privacy law experts say that the warrant — issued to find a suspect in an attempted identity and credit theft of an Edina resident — is based on an unusually broad definition of probable cause that could set a troubling precedent.

"This kind of warrant is cause for concern because it's closer to these dragnet searches that the Fourth Amendment is designed to prevent," said William McGeveran, a law professor at the University of Minnesota.

Issued by Hennepin County District Judge Gary Larson in early February, the warrant looks at anyone who searched variations of the resident's name on Google from Dec. 1 through Jan. 7.

In addition to basic contact information for people targeted by the warrant, Google is being asked to provide Edina police with their Social Security numbers, account and payment information, and IP (internet protocol) and MAC (media access control) addresses.

A spokesperson for Google, which received the warrant, said Friday: "We will continue to object to this overreaching request for user data, and if needed, will fight it in court. We always push back when we receive excessively broad requests for data about our users."

Information on the warrant first emerged through a blog post by public records researcher Tony Webster. Technology website Ars Technica called the Edina warrant "perhaps the most expansive one we've seen unconnected to the U.S. national security apparatus."

Google had initially denied a subpoena to provide the same information to Edina. Police declined to comment Friday on the warrant, saying it is part of an ongoing investigation.

Search on Google

Detective David Lindman outlined the case in his application for the search warrant:

In early January, two account holders with SPIRE Credit Union reported to police that $28,500 had been stolen from a line of credit associated with one of their accounts, according to court documents.

Edina investigators learned that the suspect or suspects provided the credit union with the account holder's name, date of birth and Social Security number. In addition, the suspect faxed a forged U.S. passport with a photo of someone who looked like the account holder but wasn't.

Investigators ran an image search of the account holder's name on Google and found the photo used on the forged passport. Other search engines did not turn up the photo.

According to the warrant application, Lindman said he had reason to believe the suspect used Google to find a picture of the person they believed to be the account holder.

Larson signed off on the search warrant on Feb. 1. According to court documents, Lindman served it about 20 minutes later.

McGeveran said it's unusual for a judge to sign off on a warrant that bases probable cause on so few facts.

"It's much more usual for a search warrant to be used to gather evidence for a suspect that's already identified, instead of using evidence to find a suspect," he said. "If the standards for getting a broad warrant like this are not strong, you can have a lot of police fishing expeditions."

'A scary slippery slope'

Rob Kahn, a privacy law professor at the University of St. Thomas, was even more critical, saying the warrant could be used to collect information on internet users who searched the name for other reasons.

He added that he hoped police would find a way to guard or exclude data obtained through the warrant that was unrelated to the investigation.

"I'm concerned both about ensnaring innocent people but also ... that this become a pattern," Kahn said. "It's certainly a scary slippery slope that they're setting up here."

The privacy law experts all questioned whether the evidence obtained by Edina police would hold up in court.

"I'm rather skeptical of this warrant's ability to survive constitutional scrutiny," said Stephanie Lacambra, an attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital rights nonprofit based in San Francisco.

Teresa Nelson, interim executive director of the ACLU of Minnesota, said the warrant is "breathtakingly broad" and could have implications for people's rights to search online.

"There's really very little to connect the fact that there's a photo attainable on Google with the identity theft," she said. "We could have people who are not searching for this individual who are going to be swept up in this."

Google receives an increasing number of data requests from governments and courts every year, according to its website. In the first half of 2016, the company received more than 14,000 requests from the U.S. alone and provided information for 79 percent of them.

http://www.startribune.com/search-warrant-issued-to-edina-police-raises-privacy-concerns-of-internet-users/416442113/

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Date: March 17th, 2017 9:58 PM
Author: Motley Stain Garrison

Lawyer here: the 4th amendment is just some words on a piece of paper.

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:03 PM
Author: Submissive resort

(Stuff 105 IQ Lawyers Say)

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:04 PM
Author: Wonderful Gay Wizard

(Guy who has never read a SCOTUS opinion)

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:05 PM
Author: Submissive resort

All law is just some words on paper. It's not a fact that needs to be reestablished repeatedly.

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:07 PM
Author: appetizing maroon regret

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:05 PM
Author: Motley Stain Garrison

Oh shit u got me.

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:05 PM
Author: spruce forum



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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:06 PM
Author: adventurous private investor

Not in Edina!

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:14 PM
Author: Unhinged set

FTGE

Really does seem like it might be time to take some semi-paranoid steps to avoid getting caught up in shit like this. Maybe switch up regular search providers to things like Startpage or DuckDuckGo. And maybe employ some VPNs... rolling your own turnkey VPN server on a host somewhere has a certain appeal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556603&forum_id=2#32856484)



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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:20 PM
Author: Ultramarine international law enforcement agency

incognito mode not good enough?

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:49 PM
Author: Tan kink-friendly ceo whorehouse

how would it help defend against a police subpoena of Google for all searches in a particular area? i assume they're finding them by IP rather than just restricting themselves to searches by people logged into their Google accounts who live in that town

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556603&forum_id=2#32856685)



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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:49 PM
Author: arousing macaca lay

Yep i am connected through a vpn always

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Date: March 17th, 2017 11:25 PM
Author: Unhinged set

VPNs are only worth a damn if:

-you're on a connection that can't really be trusted whatsoever (like public wifi) OR

-you aren't really doing that much shady stuff online, and you're only really relying on your VPN to deflect copyright infringement bullshit OR

-you've found yourself a VPN operator that you trust more than your own ISP

But what exactly is a VPN operator that you can trust more than your own ISP? There's no oversight whatsoever of VPN operators. Quite frankly I'd be shocked if most of them *weren't* outright operated by a government agency

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556603&forum_id=2#32856954)



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Date: March 17th, 2017 11:39 PM
Author: Medicated Dopamine

CIA/NSA are not turning me in for downloading music.

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Date: March 17th, 2017 11:40 PM
Author: Tan kink-friendly ceo whorehouse

can you imagine a future where shitlibs/cuckservatives claw back control over the US government and tell them to turn you in for posting on subversive alt-right sites

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556603&forum_id=2#32857036)



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Date: March 17th, 2017 11:44 PM
Author: Unhinged set

I agree, that's pretty much the point of my second bullet

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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:19 PM
Author: Lake really tough guy hairy legs

this reminds me of when they subpoenaed information about someone who googled news about a piece of art being stole days before the news caught wind of it. they caught the guy that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556603&forum_id=2#32856512)



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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:45 PM
Author: Umber Shaky Prole Pocket Flask

V5 lawyer here. This seems legitimate to me. Why would you be googling his name around this time? Seems like probable cause.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556603&forum_id=2#32856668)



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Date: March 17th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: very tactful contagious field voyeur

Yet another reason to only use Yandex for your felonies :-)

Also, LJL at the inevitable cost shifting motion fight over this subpoena. Google is going to send the cops a 6 figure bill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3556603&forum_id=2#32856690)