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Are there college-educated people who don't get the logic of the contrapositive?

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Carnelian House
  03/18/17
ask your local gender/ethnic studies department graduates
flickering fat ankles
  03/18/17
probably like 80%
Adventurous hunting ground station
  03/18/17
That must be an exaggeration
Carnelian House
  03/18/17
you greatly overestimate college graduates
flickering fat ankles
  03/18/17
I've literally taught them. they don't know shit
Adventurous hunting ground station
  03/18/17
can you explain your experience with trying to teach it to t...
Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop
  03/18/17
they understand it perfectly when you explain it to them. bu...
Adventurous hunting ground station
  03/18/17
They are generally more confused by the equivalency between ...
vivacious frum gaping striped hyena
  03/18/17
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Carnelian House
  03/18/17
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Carnelian House
  03/18/17
tons. I would literally drill it into them like a cult chan...
cracking doobsian place of business
  03/18/17
What do you mean by "get it"?
Lascivious crawly brunch
  03/18/17
That it's logically valid.
onyx milk
  03/18/17
You mean that the contrapositive of a true conditional state...
Lascivious crawly brunch
  03/18/17
don't get it like not capable of understanding it when it's ...
Cerebral Boistinker
  03/18/17
either not get it when explained or do get it when explained...
Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop
  03/18/17
what's that?
Harsh Slimy Indian Lodge
  03/18/17
Read In the basement of the ivory tower. actual retards get...
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tmf
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Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop
  04/27/17
Most college grads don't.
exhilarant aquamarine hall
  04/27/17
explain
Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop
  04/28/17
You need to have an IQ of around 115 to grasp formal logic. ...
exhilarant aquamarine hall
  04/28/17
read this as "logic of the contraceptive"
ruddy stead idiot
  04/27/17
As a former LSAT instructor I'd say 80% can it up quickly en...
bright piazza rigpig
  04/28/17
Just use unnecessary and insufficient to help explain then.
opaque senate
  04/28/17
but can they apply it consistently to increasingly abstract ...
Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop
  04/28/17
first, you are dealing with people who are smarter than aver...
Offensive 180 principal's office doctorate
  04/28/17
(guy still DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient questions)
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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:47 PM
Author: Carnelian House



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:48 PM
Author: flickering fat ankles

ask your local gender/ethnic studies department graduates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860237)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: Adventurous hunting ground station

probably like 80%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860246)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Carnelian House

That must be an exaggeration

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860271)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: flickering fat ankles

you greatly overestimate college graduates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860274)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: Adventurous hunting ground station

I've literally taught them. they don't know shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860432)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:01 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop

can you explain your experience with trying to teach it to them? what issue do they have with the logic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860674)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:50 PM
Author: Adventurous hunting ground station

they understand it perfectly when you explain it to them. but if it comes up in the wild, forget about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861332)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: vivacious frum gaping striped hyena

They are generally more confused by the equivalency between converse and inverse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860254)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 4:19 PM
Author: Carnelian House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860425)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: Carnelian House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860937)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:59 PM
Author: cracking doobsian place of business

tons. I would literally drill it into them like a cult chant when I taught it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861064)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:01 PM
Author: Lascivious crawly brunch

What do you mean by "get it"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861081)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:05 PM
Author: onyx milk

That it's logically valid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861108)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:06 PM
Author: Lascivious crawly brunch

You mean that the contrapositive of a true conditional statement is always true?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861116)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: Cerebral Boistinker

don't get it like not capable of understanding it when it's explained? or like they come out of college, graduating and aren't familiar with it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861123)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop

either not get it when explained or do get it when explained, but not able to apply it to statements whose logic does not correlate to any real-life situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861648)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:06 PM
Author: Harsh Slimy Indian Lodge

what's that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861443)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:08 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy fantasy-prone giraffe

Read In the basement of the ivory tower. actual retards get college degrees, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861460)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 11:58 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32863514)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 1:13 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32864062)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 10:52 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32865145)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: Maize stimulating keepsake machete range



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Date: March 19th, 2017 6:23 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32868476)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 6:24 PM
Author: Rose Trump Supporter Chapel

tmf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32868488)



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Date: March 22nd, 2017 3:40 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32890290)



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Date: April 14th, 2017 1:26 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33070179)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:46 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181541)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:53 PM
Author: exhilarant aquamarine hall

Most college grads don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181585)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:12 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181727)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: exhilarant aquamarine hall

You need to have an IQ of around 115 to grasp formal logic. The median college grad IQ is lower. QED.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181738)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:59 PM
Author: ruddy stead idiot

read this as "logic of the contraceptive"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181634)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: bright piazza rigpig

As a former LSAT instructor I'd say 80% can it up quickly enough when you explain it to them. They are DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient conditions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181742)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:17 AM
Author: opaque senate

Just use unnecessary and insufficient to help explain then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181755)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:21 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop

but can they apply it consistently to increasingly abstract situations?

how did they do on those grouping games with chains of conditional statements?

also describe the DEVASTATION

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181773)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:27 AM
Author: Offensive 180 principal's office doctorate

first, you are dealing with people who are smarter than average college students if you are an lsat instructor.

second, you didn't say how many got it before you explained it

third, i'd like to hear more about your n vs s stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181802)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:36 PM
Author: Spectacular ungodly library

(guy still DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient questions)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359479)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:35 PM
Author: Spectacular ungodly library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359469)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:46 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181919)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 8:06 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33182675)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 8:20 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33182732)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33183130)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 2:18 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33185399)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:23 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359387)



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Date: June 15th, 2017 8:39 PM
Author: Lime electric nursing home gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33568398)