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Cell phone company offered me 400k to build an antenna on my property
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 2:50 PM Author: misanthropic location 30 year lease and they get an easement. Ljl when it rains it pours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898824) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 2:52 PM Author: Soul-stirring affirmative action Ask for 1m (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898841) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 2:53 PM Author: misanthropic location Honestly i'd let them do it for 10k i get no service here now, plus they will run fiber to it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898846) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:01 PM Author: tan liquid oxygen You need to price this out. A cell phone antenna attachment pays rent of about $700 per month to be on a tower. Each carrier will want an attachment on the tower, so you typically will see 4-5 attachments per tower. Look at the value of $3,500 per month for 30 years, discounted to present value. That's how much you should be asking for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898917) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:03 PM Author: misanthropic location Seriously? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898926) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:04 PM Author: beta topaz quadroon parlor hero (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898935) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:46 PM Author: comical peach pervert "Look at the value of $3,500 per month for 30 years, discounted to present value."
Given bankruptcy and enforcement risk, I judge this a mildly risky investment and apply a 10% discount, valuing the $3,500 cash flow at about $420,000.
What's the tax treatment for $3,500 monthly payments? Ordinary income would be TTT. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:51 PM Author: misanthropic location Good question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899230) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:29 PM Author: vermilion hyperactive garrison Why are you assuming the cash flow won't grow? Need to know the term of $700/month leases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900066) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:30 PM Author: comical peach pervert Why would I assume otherwise? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32901775) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:53 PM Author: Crimson Mood So you are asking him to ask for the entire present value of what the tower company will make? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899247) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:49 PM Author: Crimson Mood Enjoy brain cancer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899225) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 4:08 PM Author: Hideous national fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899363) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:32 PM Author: big bronze native He's gonna live forever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32901790) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 10:57 PM Author: Fluffy corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32903135) |
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Date: March 24th, 2017 10:04 AM Author: cobalt aromatic round eye locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32905312) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 2:55 PM Author: Talented obsidian mental disorder masturbator Enjoy ur cancer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898852) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 2:55 PM Author: misanthropic location Thats flame, plus it will be up on a hill a ways away from anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898859) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 2:55 PM Author: snowy fighting love of her life potus Demand 800k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898853) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 2:58 PM Author: razzmatazz greedy business firm azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898891) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:33 PM Author: big bronze native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32901792) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:03 PM Author: irradiated mustard nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32898928) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:55 PM Author: stubborn razzle community account factory reset button Demand a clause that you get to fuck around on the antenna as much as you like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899264) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Crimson Mood Yeah. Climbing it is FUN. BOUNCY! BOUNCY! BOUNCY! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899281) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 4:03 PM Author: misanthropic location I wonder it i could tap into their bandwidth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899320) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 4:18 PM Author: adventurous iridescent shitlib (kindergarten cop kid) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899432) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Charismatic Indigo Stock Car Free upgrades for life! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32899413) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:22 PM Author: Bonkers Public Bath Many, many people who do this ultimately regret it.
At the end of the lease do they have to repair the property? They like to leave the foundation and footings in the ground which can be very expensive to remove. I've even heard tower guys say over a few drinks that they sometimes try to sneak it in that they have no obligation to even remove the tower. After 30 years it's likely obsolete or nearing the end of its useful life anyway. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:28 PM Author: Exhilarant erotic field this is correct. it costs about $75,000 in 2017 dollars to remove a full tower and the foundation. factor in inflation over 30 years and you're basically paying them for the tower. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900062) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:34 PM Author: Splenetic organic girlfriend why would you want to remove the tower? Can rig it for your own use or sell billboards on that shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900121) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:39 PM Author: Bonkers Public Bath Because (a) it sounds like it's no where near a road, (b) in many jurisdictions billboards are almost as highly regulated as strip clubs. They arent going to give you permission to put a giant fucking sign on a jury rigged rusting out cell phone tower and (c) the sign company isn't going to want to put a valuable giant sign on a jury rigged rusting out cell phone tower. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900198) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:53 PM Author: chocolate glittery tank "They arent going to give you permission to put a giant fucking sign on a jury rigged rusting out cell phone tower and (c) the sign company isn't going to want to put a valuable giant sign on a jury rigged rusting out cell phone tower. "
this made me chortle out loud in my office. ty |
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Date: March 24th, 2017 10:13 AM Author: Arrogant excitant skinny woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32905360) |
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Date: March 24th, 2017 2:48 AM Author: comical peach pervert Huge Christmas tree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32904335) |
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Date: March 24th, 2017 2:54 AM Author: comical peach pervert Best tree house ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32904343) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:42 PM Author: Bonkers Public Bath Oh and if you ever want to subdivide and sell you have a giant fuckkng tower to deal with as well as some prole cunt who thinks she's going to get cancer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900237) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:39 PM Author: smoky stirring scourge upon the earth idiot that's not how it works, dude.
you discount the future cost to the present.
let's say the real discount rate is 1%. that means the present value of the cost of tearing it down after 30 years is $56K or so. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:52 PM Author: misanthropic location i have a lot of land so its not really a worry. This would be in an area i check once a year or so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900332) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:30 PM Author: swollen aphrodisiac legend ask for 20,000 ETH instead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900082) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:31 PM Author: stimulating outnumbered coffee pot goyim C A N C E R clause dude: seriously, demand something re: cancer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900093) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:33 PM Author: Exhilarant erotic field lol at anyone telling him to demand anything. he doesn't own all the land in the world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900108) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:34 PM Author: Vivacious scarlet foreskin temple MAKE | GOOD | DEALS
they'll reject
so then say FMV in your estimate is higher than what offered, get a few extra bucks out of them |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:36 PM Author: Exhilarant erotic field no they won't. they'll just make their offer to a different guy down the road and hope he's dumber and more prole/short-sighted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900141) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:36 PM Author: Vivacious scarlet foreskin temple well this presumes there's not someone immediately next door, obviously
think of it like oil drilling
there's a reason they pick parcel A or B
but yeah if this guy has someone next door I might not be a HARDBALLER |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:39 PM Author: Exhilarant erotic field there's about one cell tower every square half mile in a densely populated area. do you know how many acres that is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32900193) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 5:39 PM Author: Vivacious scarlet foreskin temple not doing subthread wasteland here, aspie, I think u get my point and I certainly acknowledge with the facts on your side, it would make sense to take the offer
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:26 PM Author: balding nighttime space Ask for more Demand more for every co-tenant Get a decent inflation rate increase every 5 years They pay increased property tax Check with your homeowners. They pay if you need a rider They pay to restore the grounds to like new condition They indemnify and have duty to defend any administrative actions (zoning, environmental, etc.) They indemnify and have duty to defend any civil actions They maintain access road Probably more I'm not thinking of. Better check with a realtor, ask how it affects resale value. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:32 PM Author: comical peach pervert And they give him Boost Mobile FOR LIFE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32901784) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:35 PM Author: balding nighttime space With unlimited data. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32901825) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:34 PM Author: Appetizing Weed Whacker Water Buffalo LJL. I've handled some of these deals. The cell company invariably ends up fucking the property owner.
OP, if you decide to do it, negotiate the actual cost of utilities, recalculated every X months, as an addition to any rents, and make the cell company install and use a separate meter (better) or third-party submeter (worse) for their power usage. You don't want them on your meter if you can help it - they run up your KW draw as well as your kWh usage. If you don't understand the difference, you need to do more research before you sign anything. Include utilities taxes, fees, etc as part of the deal. Also, make them pay for all maintenance, indemnify you for any damage, repair, environmental issues, noise, etc., and include a termination clause you can execute. A five-year lease with renewal options is probably better than 30 years. Then promptly stay on top of that shit and evict them the second things go sour - you can usually renegotiate for better terms at the threat of a UD suit. |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:41 PM Author: smoky stirring scourge upon the earth idiot great advice. worth $10ks im sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32901887) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 8:43 PM Author: Lascivious Pit Sounds like he also has to get the other side to cover his legal fees (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32901920) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 9:02 PM Author: Appetizing Weed Whacker Water Buffalo of course. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32902100) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 9:03 PM Author: misanthropic location I imagine this is all boilerplate stuff they do these all the time, of couse they pay utilities etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32902112) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 9:03 PM Author: Appetizing Weed Whacker Water Buffalo you imagine wrong. they usually try to pay out a fixed sum, or a fixed monthly utilities payment when the actual utilities costs increase regularly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32902120) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 9:04 PM Author: misanthropic location Crazy, good to know (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32902129) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 9:41 PM Author: balding nighttime space I helped somebody do one of these once. Lease was like 30 pages, and had none of the stuff I listed above or that mccheese is talking about. U have to ask for all of it, their boilerplate lease is one sided as fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32902470) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 11:26 PM Author: Bonkers Public Bath In a few of the ones I've done the provisions aren't boilerplate per de but are one sided and unless you have a good industry knowledgeable attorney push hard for you they'll say they can't change the majority of it because "bullshit, bullshit and bullshit". They can and do change them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32903368) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2017 11:29 PM Author: Flesh Dashing Deer Antler also they don't include repair and takeaway costs, so when they finish with the tower or it breaks in a storm, they just abandon it and the land owner is left with worthless shit on his property that costs a fuckton to remove (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32903386) |
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Date: March 24th, 2017 10:07 AM Author: smoky stirring scourge upon the earth idiot lol @ assuming kindness and decency from a corporation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32905329) |
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Date: March 24th, 2017 2:51 AM Author: Passionate stain university Woah Cr friend! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3562000&forum_id=2#32904339) |
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Date: March 24th, 2017 10:07 AM Author: cobalt aromatic round eye locus If you play hardball, they will go next door. Now you have a giant cell tower next door (and thus cancer) but no 400k.
All in all, YOUR fucked. |