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DOE on PSLF: "Yeah, No."

More than 550,000 people have signed up for a federal progra...
Underhanded dopamine telephone
  03/31/17
Slightly misleading thread title.
Slimy vivacious forum
  03/31/17
they should just change it to a 25 year forgiveness program ...
razzmatazz sepia house
  03/31/17
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hideous rough-skinned famous landscape painting
  03/31/17
I think they'll just disqualify a bunch of companies but tho...
obsidian point
  03/31/17
In'shah'allah, brother. I've been submitting my annual pa...
Slimy vivacious forum
  03/31/17
I don't follow the details of this program closely, but does...
sienna low-t sneaky criminal
  03/31/17
Gov at any level and any 501c3
Crimson Titillating Old Irish Cottage
  03/31/17
If you send in proof of employment for the past few years (i...
Slimy vivacious forum
  03/31/17
Hahahaha pay your debts, deadbeats
Jet-lagged galvanic windowlicker
  03/31/17
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Glassy comical mexican queen of the night
  03/31/17
FedLoan had apparent authority to act on behalf of the DOE s...
dun odious business firm
  03/31/17
holy fucking shit.
Metal Brass Potus
  03/31/17
part of me hopes that my $400k/yr doctor bro gets fucked in ...
heady ivory goyim principal's office
  03/31/17
this just says that FedLoan doesnt determine eligibility for...
multi-colored jet really tough guy patrolman
  03/31/17
it intimates that PSLF is not ROCK SOLID
Metal Brass Potus
  03/31/17
isn't this literally the first year people are eligible? th...
multi-colored jet really tough guy patrolman
  03/31/17
no, they want to figure out how to AVOID giving up $$$$
Metal Brass Potus
  03/31/17
We discussed this in another thread. It's because the organi...
Crimson Titillating Old Irish Cottage
  03/31/17
First, if you're going to cite something, cite it like a law...
insanely creepy swashbuckling gunner temple
  04/08/17
I'm not a faggot lolyer, so stfu. The reason is that PSLF sa...
Crimson Titillating Old Irish Cottage
  04/08/17
Its in the master promissory note so there is really nothing...
motley tan halford
  03/31/17
THANKS TRUMP
silver abnormal doctorate lay
  03/31/17
180!
Cerebral hyperventilating water buffalo
  03/31/17
"Mr. Rudert, who graduated from law school owing nearly...
lake wonderful voyeur chad
  03/31/17
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adventurous bright degenerate crackhouse
  03/31/17
It's hilarious that a lawyer got pwned by this technicality....
Crimson Titillating Old Irish Cottage
  03/31/17


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Date: March 31st, 2017 7:44 AM
Author: Underhanded dopamine telephone

More than 550,000 people have signed up for a federal program that promises to repay their remaining student loans after they work 10 years in a public service job.

But now, some of those workers are left to wonder if the government will hold up its end of the bargain — or leave them stuck with thousands of dollars in debt that they thought would be eliminated.

In a legal filing submitted last week, the Education Department suggested that borrowers could not rely on the program’s administrator to say accurately whether they qualify for debt forgiveness. The thousands of approval letters that have been sent by the administrator, FedLoan Servicing, are not binding and can be rescinded at any time, the agency said.

The filing adds to questions and concerns about the program just as the first potential beneficiaries reach the end of their 10-year commitment — and the clocks start ticking on the remainder of their debts.

Four borrowers and the American Bar Association have filed a suit in United States District Court in Washington against the department.

The plaintiffs held jobs that they initially were told qualified them for debt forgiveness, only to later have that decision reversed — with no evident way to appeal, they say. The suit seeks to have their eligibility for the forgiveness program restored.

“It’s been really perplexing,” said Jamie Rudert, one of the plaintiffs. “I’ve never gotten a straight answer or an explanation from FedLoan about what happened, and the Department of Education isn’t willing to provide any information.”

The forgiveness program offers major benefits for borrowers, advocates say, to the point of persuading some people to take public service jobs instead of more lucrative work in the private sector. The program generally covers people with federal student loans who work for 10 years at a government or nonprofit organization, a diverse group that includes public school employees, museum workers, doctors at public hospitals and firefighters. The federal government approved the program in 2007 in a sweeping, bipartisan bill.

About 25 percent of the nation’s work force may qualify for the program, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau estimated. Eligibility is based on a borrower’s employer and whether it meets the program’s rules, not on the specific work an applicant does.

On its website, the Education Department directs borrowers who believe their employer qualifies to submit a certification form to FedLoan. If the form is approved, the Education Department transfers the borrower’s loans to FedLoan, which collects payments and tracks the borrower’s progress toward the 120 qualifying monthly payments they must make before the remaining balances will be forgiven.

Only a small fraction of the millions of workers who might qualify for the program have begun the process of using it. Fewer than 553,000 borrowers have submitted at least one certification form to FedLoan and received its approval, according to Education Department data. Borrowers are encouraged to submit a new certification form each year.

But some of those approved borrowers might get bad news because it is unclear whether the certifications are valid.

Mr. Rudert submitted the certification form in 2012 and received a letter from FedLoan affirming that his work as a lawyer at Vietnam Veterans of America, a nonprofit aid group, qualified him for the forgiveness program. But in 2016, after submitting his latest annual recertification note to FedLoan, he got a denial note.

The decision was retroactive, he was told. None of his previous work for the group would be considered valid for the loan forgiveness program.

What changed? Mr. Rudert said he did not know. After filing a complaint with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, he received a reply from FedLoan saying that his application “had initially been approved in error.” He has not been told what the error was, and has not found any way to appeal the decision.

Mr. Rudert and the American Bar Association filed their suit in December, alleging that the Education Department acted “arbitrarily and capriciously” in making its decisions about which employers qualified.

Last week, the department filed a reply that said that FedLoan’s responses to borrowers’ certification forms cannot be trusted.

A FedLoan approval letter “does not reflect a final agency action on the borrower’s qualifications” for the forgiveness program, the department wrote.

The idea that approvals can be reversed at any time, with no explanation, is chilling for borrowers. Mr. Rudert, who graduated from law school owing nearly $135,000 on student loans, said he would have picked a different employer if he had known that his work at Vietnam Veterans of America would not qualify.

A FedLoan spokesman would not comment on the case, referring questions to the Department of Education. A department spokesman also declined to comment on the suit or on any of the issues it raised, including whether any mechanism exists for borrowers to challenge a denial.

That lack of transparency has been a hallmark of the forgiveness program, said Natalia Abrams, the executive director of Student Debt Crisis, an advocacy group.

The program’s rules are complex. Only certain types of federal loans qualify, meaning that many borrowers need to restructure their debt to make it eligible — and the Education Department has done little to clarify gray areas, Ms. Abrams said.

No borrowers’ debts have been eliminated. Because 10 years of service are required, the first wave of qualified workers will be eligible to submit applications for debt forgiveness in October.

At that point, others whose certifications were approved by FedLoan could discover that the Education Department has a different position. Some employers clearly qualify — the definition of a “government organization” is fairly straightforward — but the rules for certain nonprofit organizations are harder to interpret.

“It’s kind of a no man’s land,” Ms. Abrams said. “We don’t know how this will pan out.”

Linda Klein, president of the American Bar Association, called the department’s response “illogical, untenable and bewildering.” An unreliable certification system “exposes those undertaking public service work — exactly what Congress intended them to do — to crippling financial risk,” she said.

Mr. Rudert left Vietnam Veterans of America in 2015 and now works at Paralyzed Veterans of America, helping former service members appeal denied applications for disability benefits.

The work is almost identical to what he did in his former job, Mr. Rudert said. Last year, FedLoan approved his certification request and deemed Paralyzed Veterans of America a qualified employer.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/business/student-loan-forgiveness-program-lawsuit.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960233)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 8:27 AM
Author: Slimy vivacious forum

Slightly misleading thread title.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960325)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 8:43 AM
Author: razzmatazz sepia house

they should just change it to a 25 year forgiveness program hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960376)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 8:44 AM
Author: hideous rough-skinned famous landscape painting



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960383)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 8:45 AM
Author: obsidian point

I think they'll just disqualify a bunch of companies but those in military or Fedgov will be fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960392)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 9:09 AM
Author: Slimy vivacious forum

In'shah'allah, brother.

I've been submitting my annual paperwork and following up requesting my total qualifying payment confirmation in writing. Two years to go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960479)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 9:21 AM
Author: sienna low-t sneaky criminal

I don't follow the details of this program closely, but does it also cover State and City gov workers, or just Fed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960578)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 9:24 AM
Author: Crimson Titillating Old Irish Cottage

Gov at any level and any 501c3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960600)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 9:25 AM
Author: Slimy vivacious forum

If you send in proof of employment for the past few years (it's a pretty simple form), they will go back and apply it to all qualifying PAYEments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960613)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 9:30 AM
Author: Jet-lagged galvanic windowlicker

Hahahaha pay your debts, deadbeats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960644)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:36 PM
Author: Glassy comical mexican queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963488)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 10:01 AM
Author: dun odious business firm

FedLoan had apparent authority to act on behalf of the DOE so its approval letters are binding on the DOE.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32960853)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:12 PM
Author: Metal Brass Potus

holy fucking shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963293)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:15 PM
Author: heady ivory goyim principal's office

part of me hopes that my $400k/yr doctor bro gets fucked in the ass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963324)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: multi-colored jet really tough guy patrolman

this just says that FedLoan doesnt determine eligibility for PSLF only DOE does, not that DOE is cancelling PSLF

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963378)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: Metal Brass Potus

it intimates that PSLF is not ROCK SOLID

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963438)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:38 PM
Author: multi-colored jet really tough guy patrolman

isn't this literally the first year people are eligible? they probably just want to figure what's going on before giving up millions in revenue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963502)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: Metal Brass Potus

no, they want to figure out how to AVOID giving up $$$$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963523)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:51 PM
Author: Crimson Titillating Old Irish Cottage

We discussed this in another thread. It's because the organization they worked for isn't a 501c3. Nbd.

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569417&mc=21&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963597)



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Date: April 8th, 2017 1:17 AM
Author: insanely creepy swashbuckling gunner temple

First, if you're going to cite something, cite it like a lawyer. It's 501(c)(3).

Second, why the fuck does that matter? There are all kinds of public interest organizations which aren't 501(c)(3).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#33023320)



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Date: April 8th, 2017 1:22 AM
Author: Crimson Titillating Old Irish Cottage

I'm not a faggot lolyer, so stfu. The reason is that PSLF says the organization must be 501c3 OR must meet some nebulous employment requirements.

The following types of employers do not qualify for PSLF:

Labor unions

Partisan political organizations

For-profit organizations

Non-profit organizations that are not tax-exempt under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code and that do not provide a qualifying service

Lol at leaving your forgiveness up to some unaccountable government fuckhead who will determine if your employment is a "qualifying service"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#33023336)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 4:04 PM
Author: motley tan halford

Its in the master promissory note so there is really nothing the DOE can do other than take it out for new borrowers. Otherwise they will be gaped in federal court.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963687)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:53 PM
Author: silver abnormal doctorate lay

THANKS TRUMP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963610)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Cerebral hyperventilating water buffalo

180!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963618)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 4:10 PM
Author: lake wonderful voyeur chad

"Mr. Rudert, who graduated from law school owing nearly $135,000 on student loans, said he would have picked a different employer if he had known that his work at Vietnam Veterans of America would not qualify."

Wachtell lost a good man,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963726)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 4:10 PM
Author: adventurous bright degenerate crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32963728)



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Date: March 31st, 2017 6:22 PM
Author: Crimson Titillating Old Irish Cottage

It's hilarious that a lawyer got pwned by this technicality. Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3569343&forum_id=2#32964748)